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HomeMy WebLinkAboutCC November 18, 1997 CITY of ANDOVER 1685 CROSSTOWN BOULEVARD N.W. . ANDOVER, MINNESOTA 55304 . (612) 755-5100 Regular City Council Meeting - Tuesday, November 18, 1997 agenda Call to Order - 7:00 PM Resident Forum Bookmark Agenda Approval Name Consent Agenda Approval of Minutes minutes Home Care Month Proclamation Discussion ltems I. Assessment Hearing/Delinquent Mowing Charges mowing 2. Assessment Hearing/95-14/Crooked Lake Boulevard NW hear9514 3. Assessment Hearing/96-25/14139 Crosstown Boulevard NW/SS & WM hear9625 4. Assessment Hearing/96-29/3448 - 142nd Avenue NW/WM hear9629 5. Assessment Hearing/97-181752 - 140th Lane NW/SS hear9718 6. Assessment Hearing/97-2211736 Andover Boulevard NW/SS & WM hear9722 7. Review & Discuss Development Policy GuidelinelDevelopment SchedulelPhasing develop 8. Response to Winslow Holasek/Drainage holasek 9. Discuss Request from Ashford Dev.lChesterton Commons/97-8IBuilding Permits/Cont. disc978 10. Discuss Traffic ControllBunker Lake Blvd. Service Road at Tutor Time Daycare traffic II. AndoveT Mass Transit Study transit 12. Consider Youth Commission youth Non-Discussion/Consent ltems 13. Approve Ordinance Summary 2331D0gs & Cats ord233 15. Approve Ordinance Summary 243/City Council ord243 16. Approve Final Payment/97-27/Sunshine Park Bituminous Bikeway Trail fpay9727 17. Approve Final Payment/95-24/Coon Creek BikewaylWalkway Trail fpay9524 18. Order Plans & Specs/97-40IHills of BunkeT Lake 1-4 AdditionslTraillmprovements ord9740 19. Order Plans & Specs/97-43/Crosstown Blvd. & Hanson Blvd. Trail Improvements ord9743 20. Approve Resolution Accepting Streets & Storm SewerlHunter's Hollow hhollow 21. Approve Resolution Accepting Streets & Storm SewerlRolling Meadows Estates rollmdws 22. Approve Resolution Accepting Streets & Storm SewerlNightingale Ridge nightrid 23. Reduce EscrowlNightingale PreservelDeveloper Improvements nightpre 24. Approve Deed Conditions for WOE Tax Forfeit Property wde 25. Declare Cost/Order Assessment Ro11l97-4111748 Andover Boulevard NW/SS &WM dclr9741 26. Waive Hearing/Adopt Assessment Roll/97 -41117 48 Andover Boulevard NW adpt9741 27. Approve 6 Month ProbationlEngineering Tech 4 engtech4 28. Response to Councilmember DehnlOrd. IOllDefeITal of Special Assessments for ordl0l Senior Citizens & Retired Disabled Homeowners 29. Approve Change Order/96-15IPublic Works co9615 30. Renew GIS Contract /1998 gis 31. Approve Resolution Giving Final ApprovallBondslPresbyterian Homes bonds Housing and Assisted Living 32. Approve Purchase of Rooftop Furnace/West Side - Old City Hall furnace Mayor/Council Input Payment of Claims Adjournment ---. - . ~. . -. ,- ~- f J REGUlAR ANDOVER CITY COUNCIL MEETING MINUTES - NOVEMBER 18,1997 TABLE OF CONTENTS RESIDENT FORUM ..................................................... I . AGENDA APPROVAL ...............,................................... 1 CONSENT AGENDA Approve Ordinance Summary 233/Dogs and Cats ............................ 2 Approve Ordinance summary 243/City Council .............................. 2 Resolution R271-97 approving final payment/IP97-27/Sunshine Park Bikeway. . . . . .. 2 Resolution R272-97 approving final payment/IP9S-24/Coon Creek Bikeway ........ 2 Resolution R273-97 ordering plans & specslIP97-40IHills of Bunker Lake/Trail. . . . .. 2 Resolution R274-97 ordering plans & specslJP97-43/Crosstown-HansonlTrail . . . . . .. 2 Resolution R275-97 accepting streets & storm sewerIHunter's Hollow ............ 2 Resolution R276-97 accepting streets & storm sewerlRolling Meadows Estates . . . . .. 2 Resolution R177-97 accepting streets & storm sewer/Nightingale Ridge. . . . . . . . . . .. 2 Reduce escrowINightingale Preserve/Developer improvements. , . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . .. 2 Resolution R278-97 declaring cost/ordering assessment roll/IP97-41/ 1748 Andover Blvd/SS & WM . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . .. 2 Resolution R279-97 waiving hearing/Adopting assessment ro1VIP97-41 ............ 2 Approve six-month probationÆngineering Tech 4 ............................ 2 Resolution R280-97 approving change order/IP96-IS/Public Works. . . . . . . . . . . . . .. 2 Renew GlS contract/1998 ................................,............. 2 Approve purchase of rooftop furnace/West side - Old City Hall .................. 2 - APPROVAL OF MINUTES ....... . ......................................2 - HOME CARE MONTH PROCLAMATION. . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . .. 2 CONSIDER YOUTH CO~nSSION '....................................... 3 ASSESSMENT HEARING: DELINQUENT MOWING CHARGES ................. 4 Resolution R281-97 approving the delinquent mowing charges. . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . .. S ASSESSlI.1ENT HEARING: IP95-14/CROOKED LAKE BOULEVARD NW .......... 5 Resolution R282-97 approving the assessments .............................. 6 ASSESSlI.1ENT HEARING: IP96-25/14139 CROSSTOWN BL VD/SS & WM Resolution R283-97 adopting the assessment roll . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . .. 6 ASSESSlI.1ENT HEARING: IP96-29/3448 142ND A VENUE/WM Resolution R284-97 adopting the assessment roll . . , . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . .. 6 ASSESSMENT HEARING: IP97-181752 140TH LANE/SANITARY SEWER Resolution R285-97 adopting the assessment roll . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . .. 6 ASSESSlI.1ENT HEARING: IP97-22/1736 ANDOVER BOULEV ARD/SS & WM Resolution R286-97 adopting the assessment roll . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . .. 7 REVIEW AND DISCUSS DEVELOPMENT POLICY GUIDELINE/SCHEDULE . . . . .. 7 RESPONSE TO WINSLOW HOLASEK DRAINAGE. . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . .. 8 TRAFFIC CONTROL/BU1'<1ŒR LAKE BLVD SERVICE RD ..................... 9 ANDOVER MASS TRÁ.1'1SIT STUDY ....................................... 9 ORDINANCE 1OI/DEFERRAL OF SPECIAL ASSESSMENTS. . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . .. 9 ~ MAYOR/COUNCIL ]NPUT ArJOka County BRA . . , . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . .. 9 December 2 meeting (start at 6 p.m.) ..................................... ]0 Snowmobiles ....'.................................................. 10 APPRO V AL OF CLAIMS ....,...........'............................... 10 '-~ ..._-..-_._.-...~ ...... ,- I CITY of ANDOVER 1685 CROSSTOWN BOULEVARD N.W. . ANDOVER, MINNESOTA 55304 . (612) 755-5100 REGULAR CITY COUNCIL MEETING - NOVEMBER 18,1997 MINUTES The Regular Bi-Monthly Meeting of the Andover City Council was called to order by Mayor Jack McKelvey, November 18, 1997,7:00 p.m., at the Andover City Hall, 1685 Crosstown Boulevard NW, Andover, Minnesota. Councilmembers present: Bonnie Dehn, Mike Knight, John Kunza, Ken Orttel Councilmembers absent: None Also present: City Attorney, William G. Hawkins City Engineer, Scott Erickson Community Development Director, Dave Carlberg City Administrator, Richard Fursman Others RESIDENT FORUM JenyWindschitl 3640 152nd Avenue - commented on Item 27, Approve 6-month probation for the Engineering Tech 4. He felt the City was very fortunate to have someone with experience and knowledge and the ability to get things done. Dave O'Toole 13429 Jonquil Street - reported after the first snow fall he received quite a few complaints as Park Board Chairman, plus he has a few complaints himself about the snowmobilers. One resident called about snowmobilers tearing up the turf at Oak View park. The snowmobilers are not supposed to be on the newly blacktopped trails in the City, but they were; and there were reports of snowmobiles damaging the asphalt. He had to physically stop a snowmobiler on his street going 50 mph, who turned out to be a youth. He speculated most of the problems have been created by the youth who are riding the snowmobiles without supervision. It is also a safety issue, and he felt the entire matter should be monitored very closely and revisited. AGENDA APPROVAL Table Item 24, Approve Deed Conditions for WDE Tax Forfeit Property, and Item 31, Approve Resolution Giving Final ApprovallBonds/Presbyterian Homes Housing and Assisted Living. Delete Item 9, Discuss Request ITom Ashford Development/Chesterton Commons/IP97-8/Building Permits as the item has been resolved. Pull from the Consent Agenda for discussion, Item 28, Response to Councilmember DehnlOrdinance 10 I /Deferral of Special Assessments for Senior Citizens and Retired Disabled Homeowners. Motion by Dehn, Seconded by Knight, to approve the Agenda as revised. Motion carried unanimously. ~, . Regular Andover City Council Meeting Minutes - November 18, 1997 Page 2 CONSENT AGENDA Item 13 Approve Ordinance Summary 233/Oogs and Cats Item IS Approve Ordinance Summary 243/City Council Item 16 Approve Final Payment/IP97-27/Sunshine Park Bituminous Bikeway Trail (See Resolution R271-97) Item 17 Approve Final Payment/IP95-24/Coon Creek Bikeway/Walkway Trail (See Resolution R272-97) Item 18 Order Plans and SpecsIJP97-40/Hílls of Bunker Lake 1-4 Additions/Trail Improvements (See Resolution R273-97) Item 19 Order Plans and Specs/IP97-43/Crosstown Boulevard and Hanson Boulevard Trail Improvements (See Resolution R274-97) Item 20 Approve Resolution Accepting Streets and Storm Sewer/Hunter's Hollow (See Resolution R275-97) Item 21 Approve Resolution Accepting Streets and Storm Sewer/Rolling Meadows Estates (See Resolution R276-97) Item 22 Approve Resolution Accepting Streets and Storm SewerINightingale Ridge (See Resolution R277-97) Item 23 Reduce EscrowINightingale Preserve/Developer Improvements Item 25 Declare Cost/Order Assessment Roll/IP97-41/1748 Andover Boulevard NW/Sanitary Sewer and Watermain (See Resolution R278-97) Item 26 Waive Hearing/Adopt Assessment Roll/IP97-41/1748 Andover Boulevard NW (See Resolution R279-97) Item 27 Approve Six-Month ProbationlEngineering Tech 4 Item 29 Approve Change Order/IP96-15/Public Works (See Resolution R280-97) Item 30 Renew GIS Contract/I 998 Item 32 Approve Purchase of Rooftop Furnace/West Side - Old City Hall Motion by Dehn, Seconded by Kunza, approve as amended and read for the Consent Agenda. Motion carried unanimously. APPROVAL OF MINUTES November.f. 1997. Regular meeting: COffect as written. Motion by Dehn, Seconded by Knight, to approve as presented. Motion carried on a 4-Yes, 1- Present (Kunza) vote. HOME CARE MONTH PROCLAMATION Mayor McKelvey read the proclamation declaring November, 1997, as Home Care Month. _ _ L_ . -~. --.- ~-~ - - --- Regular Andover City Council Meeting Minutes - November 18. 1997 Page 3 CONSIDER YOUTH COMMISSION Mr. Fursman noted TJ. Anderson, Zion Lutheran Church, and Julie Johnson, School District Volunteer Services Coordinator, were appointed by the City of Andover several years ago to represent Andover on the Anoka County Community Consortium to discuss youth related issues. The Consortium consists of the cities of Anoka, Ramsey and Andover, plus Anoka County, the religious community, the school district and the business community. Now the Council is being requested to consider creating a Youth Commission for the City of Andover to give the same voice to the Council as the Park and Recreation and Planning and Zoning Commission. The Youth Commission would have adults and youth to discuss issues and programs, facilities, resources, etc., and make recommendations to the Council. To date, the Council has not been very involved, and this would let the Council be more aware of what is going on with the youth and this Consortium. Mr. Anderson stated one thing the Commission would do is look at Andover and talk about the organizations, facilities, problems and issues, and get the neighborhoods involved. Of the 9th graders in Andover, 67 percent felt they had no value to the community. An issue of the Commission would be how to change that. Another issue is the safety of children, as 45 percent of the youth in this area tèel unsafe. The intent is to be pro-active to bring the resources together toward a common goal. Mr. Fursman explained a Youth Commission was formed in Columbia Heights, noting he has provided the Council with their resolution which states the objectives and purposes behind that Commission. The intent is to make a commitment to the youth and give them a voice on these issues such as the trails, access to the schools, etc. The specific details of the number of members, the makeup of the Commission and the objectives still need to be worked out. It is not intended to become a quasi bureaucratic level of government. Mayor McKelvey envisioned neighborhood groups working with the schools and churches to set up programs for the youth. A Commission would give the youth a voice in what they would like to see in the community. One area it may help is with the snowmobile problem, getting the message to the youth. Councilmember Dehn favored some type of commission but recommended other cities be studied to learn what was beneficial and what does not work. Councilmember Orttel understood Columbia Heights is the only City to do this. He was concerned with giving children the same status as the Park Board or P & Z or of giving the status of a full city statutory commission to those under 18 years old. Nor did he believe the City should be providing social services that are provided elsewhere. He wouldn't have a problem with someone coordinating the activities of the schools, neighborhoods, etc. Ms. Johnson stated at the three meetings hosted by each of the cities, the most overwhelming point heard from the students is that they want to be heard. The various entities need to work together, and this is a good way to start. The second item they expressed is they want to feel safe, and they want to feel valued. Mayor McKelvey stated each of the cities is looking at starting som~thing like this, as they too are finding the youth want to be heard. He has heard from youth that the parks are built for sports and for playground equipment, but there are many children who do not play sports and who are looking for something. That is also an issue that can be discussed. Similar programs . - ...--..-.-.--.-.. -~ -.,... .-', I I Regular Andover City Council Meeting Minutes - November 18, 1997 Page-l (Consider Youth Commission, Continued) have been instituted in other states. He would prefer to have some adults on the commission, though the majority probably should be youth or they tend not to partic;pate. Councilmember Orttel again stated he would have no problem with a committee of youth to advise the Council of their concerns, but he did not want another layer of government that wìll become more like a social service agency and which will look for funding in the future. After further discussion, the Council generally did not agree with the formation of a statutory commission but did favor an advisory committee, possibly established by ordinance, to discuss youth issues and to advise and make recommendations to the City Council. They suggested Mr. Fursman bring back a proposed ordinance for further discussion. ASSESSMENT HEARING: DELINQUENT MOWING CHARGES 7:55 p.m. Mike Ouigley. representing Hills Inc - stated Hills, Inc., is being assessed delinquent mowing charges on three lots. He disputed the necessity of mowing those lots because they had someone mow them. They are also concerned with the amount of the charge, which comes to about $128 per 101. That is very rugh considering the lots are 75 percent wooded. On July 24 they received a letter from the City that the lots needed to be mowed. He sent someone to do the job that afternoon. He did not inspect it, but later the City Zoning Administrator notified him again that more mowing needed to be done. He sent rus mower back again, and he thought the matter was taken care of The next notice he received was a bill ITom the City for the mowing of the lots. There have been some phone calls on this issue, but he felt there was a lack of communication on both si¿es. Mr. Carlberg explained the City received complaints about weeds on those urban lots. The procedure to get those lots mowed occurred over three to four months. He understands the front of the lots contain the monument signs onto l40th. On August 30 the City contractor mowed the weeds that were over two feet high. The first calls were received sometime in June. The charges include an adnúnistrative fee. Mr. Fursman also noted when the fees were set for mowing, they were specifically set high because the City does not want to provide mowing services to the residents. This is considered the last resort for the City, as it does not want to do this service. Councilmember Dehn felt there was miscommunication in trus instance. While there is notrung that can be done in this case, there were errors made by both parties; and she hoped there wìll be better communication in future incidents. Mr. Carlberg felt it may be helpful in the future to meet with the property owners so there is no núsunderstanding of what needs to be done. Councilmember Orttel - didn't necessarily agree; it is a judgement call on the part of the enforcer. The amount of the charges does bother him. Mr. Fursman stated it is a delicate situation for Staff who is being pressured by residents to get something accomplished and who feel the City is not doing enough versus working with the property owner to resolve the problem. Councilmember Orttel understood the position of Staff in the núddle of those who call with a problem - -,. ~. . I Regular Andover City Council Meeting Minutes - November 18, 1997 Page 5 (Assessment Hearing: Delinquent Mowing Charges, Continued) and working with the property owners. It appears there was an attempt to get the lots mowed but there was some misunderstanding. Because of any misunderstanding or hasty decision on the part of the City, he felt the property owners deserve an apology. He didn't think, however, that the costs could be changed because they were incurred by the City. Winslow Holasek - noticed when developers seed the boulevards, neighbors often drop grass clippings on the boulevards, which subsequently kills the grass. Councilmember Orttel noted part of the reason the charge is so high is that those doing the mowing don't know what things they will hit on those vacant lots and boulevards. Motion by Dehn, Seconded by Orttel, the Resolution as presented this evening. (See Resolution R281-97) Motion carried unanimously. ASSESSMENT HEARING: IP95-14/CROOKED LAKE BOULE V ARD NW 8:22 p.rn. Mr. Erickson explained the project is substantially complete, and the assessment reflects the actual costs for the watermain and sanitary sewer. The total cost for the watermain portion of the project is $148,200. The cost for sanitary sewer, $10,S03.35, does not include any overhead expenses There is a letter from the Junkers at 1686 Crosstown Boulevard objecting to the second water service to their lot. They had also objected to that second service prior to the project. Mr. Erickson explained the service was put in for the undeveloped portion of the lot, not for the property owner. At some point in the future that lot may be split and the service used. It is then that the assessment will have to be paid. If the Junkers chose to hook up the water service to their house, they would pay for only the one service being used, not for both. C ouncilmember KUl1Za asked what would happen on his lot if the residents petition to extend the watermain along 134th Avenue. Mr. Erickson stated the lot is provided a stub from Crooked Lake Boulevard and would not be provided another one from 134th Avenue. He also eXplained the proposal is that the assessment will be on file with the City Clerk and not become recorded assessments with the county. When the property owner requests connection to the municipal water system, they would have to subnùt a petition requesting the connection and waive the public hearing for the assessment. Then the assessment would be for ten years basically at today's interest rate or the property owner has the option to pay it off right away. Because there will be no recorded assessment, ifthe property is sold prior to hookup, the assessment will not show up nor will it have to be paid at the time of the sale. Wayne David 13607 Crooked Lake Boulevard - asked what they do when they have two sewer stubs and two water stubs on the same lot 80 feet apart. Mr. Erickson explained one stub is for the existing house and one is for a potential future lot. He did review the location of those stubs with the Building Official and found that they are in the proper locations. To hook up now, the Davids would pay for only one connection. The second would be paid for if and whef\ the lot is split. ",. Regular Andover City Council Meeting Minutes - November 18. 1997 Page 6 (Assessment Hearing: IP95-14ICrooked Lake Boulvard NW. Continued) Ms Jirasek - stated the City has spent a lot of money sending her notices and giving her the impression that she was being assessed $33,000. She came to the meeting and found that basically it is a non-assessment. Mr. Erickson explained the initial approach was to look at a deferred assessment. The proposal reflected this evening was formulated within the last two days after talking with the City Attorney. Charlie Veiman. 13646 Crooked Lake Boulevard - noticed they are being charged 7 percent interest over ten years, but the assessment in the next agenda item is for 6 percent over five years. Why aren't they the same? Council member Orttel stated the City sold bonds at a specific rate for the other project. In this case, the City doesn't know ifit will be one, five or 20 years before the assessments are paid. It is just an average rate because it is not known what the rates will be in the future. James Junker 13503 Crooked Lake Boulevard - noted the project cost at the June 17 meeting was $140,000. Now it is $151,800. He understood the City's policy was to notifY the residents if the costs are five percent more than the residents were told. Staff explained the estimated amount for the watermain at the public hearing was about $140,000. The actual construction cost for the watermain, $122,865, and sanitary sewer, $3,600, plus the overhead for the watermain totals $15 I ,800. The actual cost is very close to the estimated. Motion by Dehn, Seconded by Kunza, the Resolution as presented with the amended blue copy. (See Resolution R282-97) Motion carried unanimously. ASSESSMENT HEARING: IP96-25/14139 CROSSTOWN BOULEVARD NWI.SANITARY SEWER AND WATERAfAIN 8:50 p.m. Motion by Orttel, Seconded by Knight, the Resolution (See Resolution R283-97 adopting the assessment roll for sanitary sewer and watermain, IP96-25, 14139 Crosstown Boulevard). Motion carried unanimously. ASSESSMENT HEARING: IP96-29/3448 142ND A VENUE NWIW ATERMAIN Motion by Orttel, Seconded by Dehn, the Resolution (See Resolution R284-97 adopting the assessment roll for watermain, IP96-29, 3448 142nd Avenue). Motion carried unanimously. ASSESSMENT HEARING: IP97-18/752 140TH LANE NW/SANITARY SEWER Motion by Knight, Seconded by Dehn, the Resolution (See Resolution R285-97 adopting the assessment roll for sanitary sewer, IP97-18, 752 140th Lane). Motion carried unanimously. -- -.-- -->-þ-- - ' ----- - '. J Regular Andover City Council Meeting Minutes - November 18, 1997 Page 7 ASSESSMENT HEARING: IP97-22/1736 ANDOVER BOULEVARD NW/SANITARY SEWER AND WATERMAIN Motion by Kunza, Seconded by Dehn, the Resolution (See Resolution R286-97 adopting the assessment roll for sanitary sewer and watermain, IP97-22, 1736 Andover Boulevard). Motion carried unanimously. REVIEW AND DISCUSS DEVELOPMENT POLICY GUIDELINE/DEVELOPMENT SCHEDULE/PHASING Mr. Carlberg updated the Council on the Development Policy Guideline Development SchedulelPhasing which is based on a five-year (1995-2000) Metropolitan Urban Service Area time rrame. Staff tried to contact aU ofthe developers today to inform them that this was to be before the Council this evening. The four developments slated for 1998 are Chesterton Commons, 45 acres; Rosella Sonsteby, 10 acres; Fhamam, 35 acres; and Winslow Hills 4th, 40 acres. Chesterton Commons has received preliminary plat approval, and it is expected that project will be on schedule. Staff has not received a response from Ms. Sonsteby, but it is unlikely her property will be developed in 1998. Jerry Windschitl has been discussing a rezoning of the Fhamam property with the Council and in developing senior housing To do that, the trunk sewer would have to come through the Cambridge Capital project, which is slated for development in 1999, and under Hanson Boulevard. That issue will need further discussion. The City has not received a preliminary plat for Winslow Hills 4th; however, J\.k Holasek has indicated he is still interested in developing in 1998. Time is running out to do that. Preliminary plat approval and requests for utilities must be finalized by December 31, 1997, for urban plats of 20 or more lots. The deadline for urban plats of fewer than 20 lots is January 31, 1998. Winslow Holasek. 1159 Andover Boulevard - stated the area shown on the map is not what they asked for Winslow Hills 4th. There is a letter on file that in order to continue the farming operation, the development area would have to be modified. The street alignment also takes into consideration the gas line easement through there. Last spring the Council had a study done about the feasibility of running the sewer line up Crosstown Boulevard, and it was found that is unfeasible. So the sewer line to service the south side of Crosstown Boulevard, Winslow Hills 4th and Sophie South would have to come off 151 st. However, the trunk sewer line in 151 st was raised eight feet when installed. He brought that issue to the Council and Staff last spring, but was told the property could be serviced off 150th. If that is done, he would either have to either run the line through farm ground, which is cost prohibitive; or he would have to abandon the farming operation. He cannot invest money in a preliminary plat until he knows how the property can be serviced with municipal utilities. He really felt the service must come ITom 151 st. He'd like to develop Winslow Hills 4th, but cannot do so until the City corrects the depth of the sewer line at 151 s1. The other problem is there is no storm sewer for that area, though he does have an idea of how to resolve it. The Council suggested he meet with the City Engineer to work out a solution for servicing that property. ~. .- ".. Regular Andover City Council Meeting Minutes - November 18, 1997 Page 8 (Development Policy Guideline/Development Schedule/Phasing, Continued) Jen:y Windschitl- asked for clarification regarding the time line in which he must request utilities to his property. Mr, Carlberg explained the Development Policy Guideline calls for petitions for streets, storm sewers, sanitary sewers and watermains be received by the City on or before December 31 of each year for urban platted area of20 or more lots. The Council discussion noted that properties that will not be developed within their scheduled time ITame may have to be reallocated or pushed into a future time frame. Mr. Carlberg stated Staff wi 11 be meeting with the developers to look at the next five-year development time frame without leap frogging. No further action was taken this evening. RESPONSE TO WINSLOW HOLASEK/DRAINAGE Mr. Erickson explained Mr. Holasek had questioned the impact of the pond in Hamilton Square north of Crosstown Boulevard on the ground water and ponding level just south of Crosstown Boulevard. He demonstrated that the volume of water before and after development will remain the same, and that the rate would be only a negligible factor. Now many ponds have a low water table because of the lack of rainfall. The before-development water that peculates into the ground water is essentially the same as after development. Without doing an intensive ground water study, the specific impact on the southern pond cannot be known; but a general study indicates there is virtually no difference in the impact on the ground water of pre- versus post-development. Win<low Holasek - stated he discussed this with Mr. Erickson, but disagrees with his findings. Mr. Holasek felt the difference between the demonstration and the property is that the property was all woods and grass. He never saw an ounce of water run offfrom the Hamilton property. The plant roots used the water to grow. It was sandy soil. Now there will be large buildings on the lots, plus the paved streets and parking lots ITom which water will run off into the pond. The pond is dug into the ground water, so instantly this water gets into the water table. It wouldn't concern him except that the pond to the south supports water to ~b¡ft'fue outlet to the northern pond is at 896.5. In a storm, the Hamilton pond could build up 2.7 feet higher than the Winslow Hills pond across the road. Mr. Holasek stated he has talked to an engineer about this concern and was told the only way to know for sure is to do a ground water study. He'd like to ~ee a ground water study done next spring before it gets to be a problem, Councilmember Orttel tended to agree that may be an impact to the Winslow Hills pond, especially in a heavy rain, and wanted the City to do a ground water study before there is a problem. It could not be done until spring when a rain should be able to show what will happen. No decision was made by the Council this evening. --",- -- ----------- -- ."~..- - -- ,> Regular Andol'er City Council Meeting Minutes - November 18, 1997 Page 9 DISCUSS TRAFFIC CONTROVBUNKER LAKE BOULEVARD SERVICE ROAD AT TUTOR TIME DA YCARE The Council generally agreed to the Staff proposal to install stop signs temporarily on both the east and west legs of the service road where traffic enters from Bunker Lake Boulevard in front of the Tutor Time Daycare Center. Next summer a permanent measure would be taken to eliminate this access, which would direct traffic to enter and exist the service road at the existing controlled intersections. Motion by Knight, Seconded by Orttel, to accept the recommendation of the Engineering Department. Motion carried unanimously. ANDOVER MASS TRANSIT STUDY Mr. Fursman reviewed the infonnation before the Council on the cost to the City to receive MTC bus service. The City would need to levy between $225,000 and $275,000 for a minimal level of service. That is based on tax capacity and would expect to rise as Andover grows. Special legislation would also be required to include Andover in the MTC taxing district based on limited service. The Council discussed several other options, They suggested first surveying the residents to determine the real need and desire for bus service. Then check with other neighboring cities that might be interested in cooperatively enlarging their park-and-ride parking lots. Also, contact some of the smaller bus services to provide service to a major MTC bus stop such as at Northtown. RESPONSE TO COUNCILMEMBER DEHN/ORDINANCE /OJ/DEFERRAL OF SPECIAL ASSESSMENTS FOR SENIOR aTIZENS AND RETIRED DISABLED HOMEOWNERS Councilmember Orttel noted the ordinance states the specific fixed income amount to be eligible for deferred assessments, but that number has never been indexed. He suggested Staff look at the low income figure for this year and possibly pull that number out of the ordinance and use a fee structure which is upgraded each year. - Motion by Knight, Seconded by Dehn, to send Item 28 back to the City Staff to reassess it. Motion carried unanimously. MA l'OR/COUNCJL INPUT Alloka Coullty lIRA - Councilmember Knight stated, as representative on the Anoka County HRA, they are meeting tomorrow night regarding the changing of the distribution of the CDBG funds. He was not sure if the Livable Communities Act will come up in the discussion. Mr. Carlberg stated he -~---~-----.- -.' --..~~.- - _,_~._,o-.___ ',. Regular Andover City Council Meeting Minutes - November 18. 1997 Page 10 (Mayor/Council Input, Continued) is the Staff representative, and the recommendation from HOD is that Anoka County must change the way it distributes the CDBG funding to fund only projectc of $50,000 or more. That would eliminate support to many of the social service agencies to which Andover and many other communities contribute. The position of the technical advisors committee in Anoka County is to leave the policy as is. It serves many constituents the way it is set up, so they did not want to fix something that is not broken. The Staff supports no change in the distribution of the CDBG funds. He would like to see the Council support that position as well. The Council generally agreed. December 2 meeting - Mr. Carlberg suggested the Council set a special meeting at 6 p.m., December 2, prior to the regular meeting to hear the presentation from the consulting group for the commercial/industrial park south of Bunker Lake Boulevard. The Council agreed. Snowmobiles - Council member Dehn suggested Staff get the snowmobile hot line number to the public via cable TV and any other means available. Mr. Fursman stated it has gotten to the point where someone at City Hall has been assigned to personally deal with the complaints and frustrations relating to sno\\1nobiles. This person will also monitor the number of calls and where they are coming from Councilmember Orttel felt that the problems are created by very few snowmobilers and that the Sherift's Department should be asked to talk to them, APPROVAL OF CLAIMS Motion by Knight, Seconded by Dehn, the payment of claims. Motion carried unanimously. Motion by Dehn, Seconded by Kunza, to adjourn. Motion carried unanimously. The meeting adjourned at 10: 17 p.m. Respectfully submitted, \\\~k~~ Marcella a. Peach Recording Secretary ~ _______ ..0_+ __._. __ - ------~_. -