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Home My WebLink AboutSP May 29, 1990 ·~ . . " CITY of ANDOVER 1685 CROSSTOWN BOULEVARD N,W. . ANDOVER, MINNESOTA 55304 . (612) 755-5100 SPECIAL CITY COUNCIL/PARK AND RECREATION COMMISSION MEETING - MAY 29, 1990 7:00 P.M. 1. Call to Order 2. Park Dedication Requirements - Ordinance 10 3. Kelsey - Round Lake Park 4. Capital Budget for 1991 5. Comprehensive plan 6. Future Maintenance for Parks 7. 8. Adjournment -. -~ ~ .- p- --. --_.-- , . ~. CITY of ANDOVER SPECIAL CITY COUNCIL! PARK AND RECREATION COMMISSION MEETING May 29, 1990 A special j oint meeting of the Andover City Couœil and Park and Recreation Commission Wð$ called to order by Mayor Jim Elling on May 29, 1990, 7:05 p.m., at the Andover Qty Hall. 1685 Crosstown Boulevard NW, Andover, Minnesota. (,òwxilmembers present: Knight, Perry, Ortell (,òul'ri/."nei11belS absent.· Jacobson Cò..1'f1l:r:issioti:l3IS pt.eser.d: Kieffer. DeLarco, Lindahl. '1100ds, Mamlock (,ò17lmissioners absent: Anderson McMullen Clrhers present: Todd Haas: City Planner, James Schrantz: City Administrator PARK DEDICATION REQUIREMENTS - ORDINANCE 10 The Qty Council discussed with the Park and Recreation Commission the park dedica.tion requirements; specincally, Section 9.07.6(b) hiring of an appraiser and Section 9.07.11 Metes and Bounds Lm Splits. Park and Recrcation: Commission 01airpelson Kieffer stated that the commissionels are not experieœed in estim.~ting fair rrølket value and cannot justify when an appraisor is or is not required The commissionels would like to l1ð.ve a set procedure established fOI park dedication on each property. Dry Council: Mayor Elling addre~.sed the concerns of the commission The council feels 1fflt there is not a problem with ðIIlOlU1tS collected 01 the method used for developer parcels. 111e present method of fïgUIing park dedication results in disparity for the small land owner, because he cannot recoop costs. Councilmember Ortell expressed that there is more of a problem with the appraisor than the system. His concern was that the appraisor didn't u>e the same system for eæh property; impro\'ements would be included on some but not on others. Specifically, the lot ordinance refers to unimproved land: couœilmembers questioned whether the appraisor was aware of 1h~t. - . ~ ,- .... -- Special C~1y Co\lnci~'Pa.rk 2, Recre.,tion Commi;jion Meeting - May 29, 1990, h.ge 2 Discl15sion: Councilmember Pery recalled that council had originally moved th~t it was the re3poœibility of the Park and Recreation Commission to hire an a.ppraiser. Þ.nother councilmember added, tha.t with larger parceb coming in for sub-division. it h"\d become difficult to determine wJ1at the developer had paid for it. COlmcilmember Ortel! felt there was no support atth.~ttime, for another method of determining dedication; furthermore, it appeared that the city attorney advised against a per lU1it charge. I'l!ayor El!ing expressed concern that it might be an illeg.31 procedure if a per unit d1';Jge is incurred. aJthoug)1it appears IDõ<t it might be one attorney's interpretation a,g.'3inst another. I'l!oreover, a fie.t fee he;; to be rela.ted to me vdue of me land Agreement- The Par}; and Recrea.tion Commission and Ù1e Andover City Council felt tha.t land dedication was not a problem with ne;v plots, but wanted to know how a per lU1it char,g,e could be a.pplied to a lot split and at the same time_ keep the appraiser out of it. TI1erefore, the council recommended that the commissioners flùly investigate how other cities incorporate a per unit charge. Councilmember Onel! suggested the possibility of lobb¡'ing for legislation. The mayor also indiœted he would contact \~'j]]ja..'1l G. Ha'l1kins, aty Attorney, and Commissioner Ü1:drperson Kieffer should contact ù1e appr.:dser to solicit their advice about establishing a fiat value for the rural and urban area and see if mere would be any trouble ha.'ring that stand up in a cour1 of lav" for appraisal value pmposes. 1hs item 'Hill be discll5sed at the Jlme 5th council meeting. The Park and Recre,,-tion Commision vrill 5ubsequemly infonn the Planrung ,,;nd Zoning Commission to restore Ordiœnce 40 with a per unit charge. KELSEY - ROUND LAKE PARK Park and Recreation: Commission Chairperson Kieffer expressed concern over the development of Kelsey - HOlmd L3Ì;e Park. A m,,-tcbing grant program h,,-d been somewhat explored for the area It's considered that acquiring, land up to COlmty Poa.d 20 is "- potential conflict. 111e commission wanted 10 know jf tf'Js dÜecticn should be pursued. He said th'Jt Lyle Bradley, who vie'",-ed the p."IIk, suggested acquiring seven acres aIrOlmd it. Commission Q-øirperson Kieffer added Ù,õ<t if development continued to stall. t.be park would suffer because of usa.ee of all terrain yehicles. 111e commissioners 'IlOlùd like to take 01.11 three ,~ lots of the Indian Meadows pla.1 for improved access and p.'3rking. n,e commission is trying to develop Kelsey-RolU1d Lake Park as a natural area with trail systems for hiking, cross country skiu1g, bird watching etc. ,~ .- Special C~Ïi CounciVP.uk & Recre.,tion Commis5ion ¡,,'feeting - May 29. 1990, Page 3 Ci if Council- COU11Cil has supported Kelsey-Round La],;e Park plan. M,,,yor Elling recalled an original Kel:;e-¡ Park plan where some grant applicati= had been made and refu:5ed. He suggested studying them to see why they œ.d been tumed down. Councilmember Perv , asked if the commission had investigated potential interest b)' the Anoka Hennepin School District 11 in the development of a p,:.rk of this kind. Agreement.- Consensus wa:; reached with COlU1Cilmember Ortell's suggestion of negotiating with Indian Mea.dows to acquire land needed. CAPITAL BUDGET FOR 1991 A) Mayor Elling informed the commissioners about reduced funds a.vaila.ble from the legislature. The coureil would commit matched fund; to the Kelsey - Round Lake Park development. if a grant vias att¡Üned. B) Accorcling to Commission Chairperson Kieffer. two rears ago. park dedication funding of $10,000 was allowed for prairie grass on the south side of the park. but neighbors disapproved of controlled bUlning. JI.rea \va:; subequently planted with grass seed. C) Ball Park Li~htin~ at City Hall Site: A single fee service charge of $435 for ~ ~ elec1rical facilities to loc.a.te all city lighting conllols and service for fields on the back of AM buildi"g. JIM would pay the monthly electrical charge Due to high demand for softbalL this would become a high priority. D) More maintemœe of ball porks desiBble; subCOntrëoing is being considered. E) F¡;Ü;:; not rMintained because unusa.ble.: however, some pill·poses are dr,3inage ponds or just open green areas. C'OLU1Cilmember Ortell feels that all p"Ü;s don't need acce5s, to preserre a r13.tlU'alsta.1e. [)iSC"UE-.:-;¡';Jl1" A li.3ison person could con1act churches or other youth groups looking for service proj ects that "",ould be encouraged at these parks. F) COlmcilmernber ¡(.nig,ht ",yolùd like 10 pursue the idea. of using power line easement ferI bite, ski or horse trails. C'oun:ilmernber Pery wondered if liability insurance Yiolùd haye to be provided. Ivlayor Elling w01.ùd provide contar;ts if cOlI1mi55iDn wants to ptusue. »- .. gpeci,l C~tl CounciVP·;rk & Recre·,tion Commusion Meeting-l,{a}' 29, 1990, Page 4 COMPREHENSIVE PLAN Park and Recreation Commission: Commission Chairman Kieffer asked if the comprehensive plan should include a bike trail system and/or an athletic complex. Dry Council: !<¡!ayar E]lin¡; expreõõed that budget limir5 the de-;elopment for e:-:i5tin,g parks as well as obtöining land for the over-all development of the palk system. Ðiscll55íon: A) Commission expressed that evening use in some parks is abused and might waHant the closing of p::<rks in e1¡'ening hours. B) Commissioner Lind3hl suggested hiring a part-time staff for the p,01k system. in order to check on dedication fees, to work on grantõ; etc. Council open to sttg.ge31iom. ,000d ð.dvocated getting re5ideJ1\5 involved in plannin,g be/area pmk is developed. C) Expanding paIk m·aintainence is waHanted 50 that fields ale kept in good condition. COI.U1cilmember Pery expressed Ù1.3t scattered inigated 5'ystems were not a good idea because of ill'certain rainfall. 'lIore and more demand for men's and junior leagues are seen by the commission. Commission Chairperson Kieffer's concern vias to try to give present parks more quality raJher than just continuing the process of acquiring mare park land Mayor EUing reque51ed that the commission submit their budget requests earlier than in the p.351. C01.m:il will aœommod3.te the requests if poõsible. and if not will h3.'ie the commissioners decide what is kept or cut. ll1e budget is clue approximately the first of September. Motion to adjot.nn by Councilmember Knight. Respectful];, submitted /( 0A/41, f~~ Kðl"!31î Plur'¡¡'2u3l. Recording Secretary .. -.