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CITY of ANDOVER
REGULAR CITY COUNCIL MEETING - APRIL 5, 1988 - AGENDA
7:30 P.M. 1. Call to Order
2. Resident Forum
3. Agenda Approval
4. Public Hearing - Vacation of Easement/Oak Bluff
5. Discussion Items
a. Brandon's Lakeview Estates Preliminary plat
b. Northwestern Bell Telephone Special Use Permit
c. City of Coon Rapids Special Use Permit
d. Good Value Homes Rezoning
e. DNa Flood Damage Reduction Grant
f. Commercial Property/Assessments for Water
g. Hills of Bunker Lake Final Plat
h. Crosstown Boulevard/DHR Wetland Crossing
i. Tonsan
j.
9:00 P.M. Closed Meeting w/Attorney
6. Staff, Committee, Commission
a. Community Service Officers
b. Ordinance 55 Amendment
c. Assessment Abatement
d. Fire Department
e. Street Lighting/Rural Residential Plats
f. Hire Engineering Secretary
g- Lot Standards
h. Purchase Hoist for Mechanic's Area
i. Purchase Cracksealinq Material
j. Award Bids/Trailers, Garages, Sheds
k. Commercial Park Marketing Discussion
1. Anoka Electric Agreement
m.
7. Non-Discussion Items
a. Receive Petition/Oak Bluff
b. EAW Hidden Creek East
c. Hidden Creek East Phase I/EPA Buffer Area
d. 88-4 Round Lake Boulevard Feasibility Report
e. 88-7 Brandon's Lakeview Estates Feasibility Report
f. 87-11B Revised Storm Sewer
g. 87-6/87-6B Commercial Park Change Orders/Storm Sewer
h. 87-32 Winslow Hills/Approve Plans and Specs
i. 87-27 Award Contract/Woodland Creek
j. 87-8 Final Payment/Kensington Estates
k. Order Feasibility Report/Old Colony Estates
1. Schedule Work Session 4/12/88
m.
8. Approval of Minutes
9. Approval of Claims
10. Adjournment
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MINUTES
The Regular BI-Monthly Meeting of the Andover City Council was called
to order by Mayor Jerry Wlndschltl on Aprl I 5, 1988, 7:30 p.m., at at
the Andover City Hall, 1685 Crosstown Boulevard NW, Andover. MInnesota
Councilmen present: Apel, Elling, Knight, Orttel
Councilmen absent: None
Also present: City Attorney. WIllIam G. HawkIns; TKDA EngIneer,
John Rodeberg; CIty EngineerIng TechnicIan, Todd
Haas; City Planner, Daryl Morey; CIty
AdmInistrator, James Schrantz; and others
RESIDENT FORUM
Peter Rauen. 4110 147th Lane NW - presented a letter and pictures,
asking for Council assistance In curtaIling the constructIon of any
more outbul]dings on the WIcklund property, 4180 147th Lane, west of
hIs property. There are currently three outbuildings on that
property, one which is approximately 12 feet away from his property
line. Plus there is a considerable amount of construction debrIs on
hIs property resulting from the one bui]dlng. Mr. Rauen understood
Mr. Wicklund has applIed for a permit to construct another outbuilding
directly behInd the existIng one, which would also come within 10 feet
of the back of the property line of the lot.
Mr. Rauen had a problem with allowing construction as close as 10 feet
to the property line on 2 1/2-acre lots, feeling that didn't meet the
Intent of the residentla] use of that property. He felt the
additional outbuilding will have an adverse affect on hIs property and
felt the allowance of so many outbuildings Is Incompatlb]e wIth the
use of the land.
BuIldIng Official Dave Almgren stated Mr. WIcklund has enough square
footage In hIs principal structure to allow the construction of
another outbuilding according to the ordinance. He understood Mr.
Wicklund runs his business from his house but did not know where the
equipment is housed. This Is the first complaint received on this
matter.
Counc I I agreed to have the ZonIng Administrator look into the matter,
Including the question of running a commercIal business on thIs lot,
and report back at the April 19 meeting.
Mr. Rauen - also asked that the Council help to get effective
enforcement from the County Sheriff's office regarding the State noise
emissions standards. He has called the Sheriff several times, and was
told that ordInance Is not beIng enforced. He asked that the
ordinance be enforced pro-actively, not reactIvely, regarding the loud
noises from dirt bIkes, four-wheelers, etc. The PCA has people on
staff to help set up the enforcement of the noise emIssIon standards,
thinking the key is consistent enforcement, not based on Isolated
complaints.
Regular City Council Meeting
Minutes - April 5. 1988
Page 2
(Resident Forum, Continued)
Mayor Wlndschltl stated It Is a matter of being able to get the
equipment to record the noIse levels. Other citIes have enacted some
regulations regarding motor bikes, four-wheelers, etc., that address
that Issue. Those regulations will be on the April 19 agenda for
CouncIl consideration, suggesting this discussion be tabled until
then. Council agreed.
Jack McKelvev - asked who the CouncIl recommended to the County
Board for the position on the Coon Creek Watershed Board. Mayor
Wlndschitl stated the names of all six applicants Interviewed were
submitted by the required tIme.
Mr. McKelvev - voIced his obJections to recommending the current
representative for not adequately representing the City.
AGENDA APPROVAL
MOTION by KnIght, Seconded by Elling, to approve the Agenda as
submitted. Motion carried unanimously.
PUBLIC HEARING - VACATION OF EASEMENT/OAK BLUFF
Council was reluctant to consider the Item without the final version
of the plat and the resolution of the draInage Issue.
MOTION by EllIng, Seconded by Apel, that we table this item until
the next meeting. Motion carrIed unanimously.
.BRANDON'S LAKEVIEW ESTATES PRELIMINARY PLAT
MOTION by Elling, Seconded by Apel. a Reso]ution approving the
preliminary plat of Brandon's Lakevlew Estates as being developed by
Brandon Construction In SectIon 29-32-24 as presented. (See
Resolution R042-88) Motion carried unanimously.
NORTHWESTERN BELL TELEPHONE SPECIAL USE PERMIT
Mayor Windschltl felt the easement would affect the abIlity to resell
the Jot at some point In time. CouncIl discussed other possible
locations for the construction of a utility cabinet for telephone
equIpment.
Regular City Council Meeting
Minutes - April 5, 1988
Page 3
(Northwestern Bell Telephone Special Use Permit. Continued)
J. E. Kelbben representIng Northwestern Bell explained they had
dIfficulty gettIng property from others, and this was the onlY piece
of property they found for the cabinet. GenerallY the sites are
purchased because they do not want to have to move the cabInet should
the road ever be widened. He didn't think the cabInet would have an
adverse affect on the property, as they try to put It up agaInst the
property line so It won't Interfere wIth any development. It Is
necessary to service the area, and the raIlroad tracks Is the
engineered preferred site. Time Is also a factor to be able to service
the Winslow HIlls plat and surroundIng future development.
Discussion was on possible other locations for the utility cabinet
such as the drainage area south of Andover Boulevard or Winslow
Holasek's proper-ty to the north of the old Andover school site.
It was then agreed the City staff will work wIth the Northwestern Bel]
representatives to find another location. The Councl] agreed they
would do whatever possible to expedite the matter.
MOTION by Apel, Seconded by Elling. to table this item until the
staff can determine if there Is a more suitable site for the utilIty
box. Motion carried unanimously.
CITY OF COON RAPIDS SPECIAL USE PERMIT
Planning and Zoning Chairperson Marge Perry reviewed their
recommendatIon to approve the special use permIt request by the CIty
of Coon RapIds to allow a golf course in a resIdentIally zoned
dIstrict. They plan to expand the golf course to have two holes on 29
acres In Andover In the county park. There will be no buildIngs.
Llvle Hanev. Finance Director. Coon Rapids - explaIned the Intent Is
to enhance the golf course in Coon Rapids and Increase the parking
lot. The lease documents have been approved by the Anoka County Board,
the owner of the property. All Anoka County resIdents get equal T-tlme
preference. He stated traffIc will not bother thIs. They Intend to
clear only the a sma] I area for the fairways, leaving many trees for
aesthetics and buffers. The only other use that will be aftected Is a
horse trail that is through the 29 acres, but that trail Is being
moved. There is a limIted amount of cross-country skiIng in the
winter, whIch will not be affected by the golf course.
Mayor Windschltl had first understood they were goIng to open the road
to the Bunker Hills Park to provIde access from Andover, but was told
today that that may not be the case.
Mr. Hanel' said to his knowledge the plan was to open up the old Foley
Boulevard to Bunker Lake Boulevard. If that has changed, he was
unaware of It.
Regular City Council Meeting
MInutes - Apri] 5. 1988
Page 4
(CIty of Coon RapIds Special Use Permit. Continued)
Mayor Wlndschltl thought there mal' be some leverage If the specIal use
permIt was contIngent upon the road being opened to provIde access
from Andover during normal park hours. The Mayor also asked If the
CouncIl wished to consIder cOllectIng a fee from the golf course as
the City of Coon Rapids does.
Mr. Hanel' stated the county approved the lease subJect to the approval
of the special use permIt. The lease calls for 5 percent of the net
proceeds from the course after all debt service Is paid. The City of
Coon RapIds has never taken any money out of the golf course fund but
has put It all back Into the course.
MOTION by Orttel, Seconded by EllIng, to approve the Special Use
Permit for the City of Coon Rapids to expand the municipal gol f course
Into the City of Andover and make a conditIon of that special use that
It be contingent upon the Foley Boulevard extension through the Bunker
PraIrie Park being kept open during regular park hours out onto Bunker
Lake Boulevard Into Andover. (See ResolutIon R043-88) MotIon carried
unanimously.
GOOD VALUE HOMES REZONING
P & Z Chairperson Perry explaIned they first heard the request in
July, at which tIme It was tabled to gather more InformatIon. They
heard the proposal again in March when Good Value Homes presented a
feasibility study showIng the ability of that area to support a
NeIghborhood BusIness. Good Value also poInted out the acreage Is
less than two acres In part caused by the proposed extensIon of Verdin
Street. The Planning CommIssion felt thIs lot Is best suIted for
commercIal development because of Its location at the corner of two
county roads, and because the area wIth Its growIng populatIon can
support an addItional commercIal development.
Mayor Windschltl questIoned the ability to grant a varIance on lot
sIze, thInkIng the ordInance does not allow It for commercIal lots.
He also felt one of the problems is the dImensIons of the lot changed
from the preliminary plat to the fInal. He didn't necessarIly have a
problem wIth the proposal, but he didn't think the ordInance allowed a
variance for lot size on commercial lots. Chairperson Perry stated
some of the property was desIgnated as commercial during the plattIng
process. The Mayor thought that was only presented as a proposal.
Councl]man Orttel thought the two-acre rule was ill-suited for urban
commercial areas because It almost always means a strIp center must be
put in. He felt smaller commercIal lot sIzes In the u.ban area should
be allowed where only one busIness would be allowed.
Regular City Council Meeting
Minutes - Aprl I 5, 1988
Page 5
(Good Value Homes Rezoning, Continued)
John Peterson. Good Value Homes - thought there were two acres to
the end of the property. When they bought the Nutt property, they
knew it had to be part of the proposed commercial parce I . But he
thought they calcu]ated to the center line of the right of way. He
asked if all the land they own could be rezoned, as they haven't
deeded the right of way yet. Then the right of way could be taken
from the rezoned land. He stated they didn't know the county would
requIre more than 100 feet of right of way. The county Is now asking
for 120 feet. Mr. Peterson also stated they met today with some
people who are very Interested In a day care on that parce I , though
they would only need about 1/3 of that space.
Counc I I discussion was on the lot size. Councilman Elling poInted out
only 100 feet of right of way was taken for Bunker Lake Bouelvard, yet
the county Is requiring an addItional 20 feet for the Verdin Street
extension. If only 100 feet were requIred, then the lot would be two
acres In sIze. Because of thIs county requirement, he felt a hardship
was created which qualifies for a variance under the ordinance.
MOTION by Apel. Seconded by Elling, that the Ci ty Counci I of Andover
approve the request by Good Value to rezone Outlot A to Neighborhood
Business based upon the hearing at the Planning Department level and
their feeling that this lot Is best suited for commercial development
because of its location at the corner of two county roads and the
area. because of its growing population, can support additIonal
commercIal development; and also due to the fact that the Ilmi tat ion
on the acreage in large measure has been directly affected by the
Anoka County requirements of the addltional.rlght of way for the new
roadway to the east.
DISCUSSION: Mayor Wlndschltl preferred a formal amendment to changing
the ordInance to allow less than two acres for commercial lots.
Councilman Orttel also felt the ordinance should be changed to allow
less than two-acre commercial lots in the urban area. In thIs case
there Is enough acreage at thIs time; but after the county takes the
easement, there won't be enough acreage. There's no way to expand that
property or to make It residential because It faces a county road.
But he felt there should be two separate motions to explain that.
Mayor Wlndschitl stated one of the parcels has not been included for
the public hearing and cannot be Introduced at thIs tIme.
VOTE ON MOTION: YES-Ape] . Elling; NO-Kn I ght, Orttel. Wlndschitl
Motion failed.
MOTION by Apel, Seconded by Knight, reintroducing the motIon
recommending that the CI ty Council approve the rezoning to conform to
the material presented from R-4 to Neighborhood BusIness on the
Regular City Council Meeting
Minutes - ApLll 5, 1988
Page 6
(Good Value Homes Rezoning, Continued)
contingency that we receive the properly dedicated right of way from
Good Value as a condition of the rezoning per the attached sketch and
to Inc]ude the grantIng of a variance because of lot size due to the
addl tlonal takIng of the rIght of way by the County of Anoka.
DISCUSSION: Mayor Windschlt] didn't feel a hardship has been
demonstrated. Others argued that Good Value does have two-plus acres
in total, and would have the two acres for the commercial lot If the
county were not requIring additional right of way for the roadway.
Motion carried on a 4-Yes, I-No (Windschltl) vote.
MOTION by Orttel, Seconded by E]IIng, that we send the matter of lot
size for Neighborhood Business in the urban area to the PlannIng
CommIssIon for review. Motion carrIed unanImously.
DNR FLOOD DAMAGE REDUCTION GRANT
John StIne. Area Hvdro]oalst for the DNR - explained the DNR program
has granted $5.000 In matching City funds for flood damage reduction.
These flood reduction measures range from acquirIng flood prone
property to studyIng varIous alternatIves for allevIating flood
problems and performing structural measures for flood control.
Mr. StIne explained the grant was awarded to inventory structures in
the flood plain area, to come up with better baseline data for all
propertIes located within the flood plain, and to utilize that data in
a data base at the City for staff to use for informatIon requests.
If the Counc II chooses to match the funds, they wi I] work out contract
details with the staff.
Mayor Wlndschlt] stated It Is an unbudgeted Item, asking it the funds
have to be expended this year. Mr. Stine asked the Council to make a
decIsIon in sharing the funds by Mal' 1. There are two al]ocations
under the plan. They have to have a contractual agreement with the
City by September 1988. The next allocatIon would be made in
September, 1990, which Is when the City's funds would have to be
expended; so It would be acceptable to phase the expendIture over a
period of time. The City can also use work done by staff as It's
share of the grant. Mr. Stine stated the application was basically
for about $5.000 worth of surveying, $5,000 worth of organIzing and
compilIng the Information Into a data base and mailing out informatIon
material to the affected property owners.
Counc I I agreed to look at the budget and discuss the item at the
specIal meeting on Apri I 12.
MOTION by Apel, Seconded by Orttel, that we table this to our work
session. Motion carried unanimously.
Regular CIty Council MeetIng
MInutes - Aprl] 5. 1988
Page 7
COMMERCIAL PROPERTY/ASSESSMENTS FOR WATER
Counc II revIewed Andover's water rate and trunk source and storage
charges compared to that of other cItIes. Research done by the staff
indIcated Andover's rates are somewhat hIgher. Mr. Morel' stated the
CIty has been chargIng Just the water and sewer connectIon charges for
the CommercIal Park lots.
Mr. Schrantz understood the connectIon charges for the CommercIa] Park
could be used as a negotIatIng tool. Also, the CIty chose to assess
commercIal property twice as much as resIdential. But one of the
things that changed was the decIsIon to assess the connectIon charges,
whIch may be puttIng a bIg Impact on the land that doesn't develop.
He thought the City could return to assessing the area charges only
and collectIng the connectIon charge at the tIme of development; or
the assessments can be based on a resIdentIal rate untIl the
commercial property develops Then the addItIonal amounts would be
collected.
Jerrv Green - stated Coon RapIds charges the same rate for
resIdentIal and commercIal. TheIr rate Is tIed to a consumer prIce
Index. He revIewed Andover's assessment, notIng accordIng to the
feasIbIlIty report It comes to $2,400 per acre for resIdentIal and
$4,850 for commercial. He thought that Increase over last year was
more than the consumer prIce Index. Mr. Schrantz stated the City uses
the EngIneerIng News Record Index.
Counc i I dIscussed reasons why a larger assessment Is needed in Andover
IncludIng it Is a new system and many of the existing homes are not on
the system.
M.. Green stated they have already gIven the CIty a lot on whIch to
buIld the well; and to assess Hills of Bunker Lake $600,000 tor the
water system is hIgh. thInkIng it Is more than the cost to buIld the
system for that area. The proposed assessment on the 18.5 acres of
commercial Is about $88,000, and all that is being done Is stubbing in
the utIlItIes to the lot line. At this time they have no Idea what
wI I ] be goIng on those commercIal lots.
Mayor Windschltl thought the policy had been to defer the assessment
on anything more than a residential lot equivalent until actual
commercial development takes place.
MOTION by Orttel, Seconded by Apel, to c]arlfy the CIty's policy
that commercIal property wI I I be assessed resIdentIal rate for water
connectIon charges at the tIme of development or at the time of
InstallatIon of utIlItIes In the area; and wIll be charged the balance
of the commercIal rate based on the use that will take p]ace upon
actual constructIon of the busIness on the property. DISCUSSION:
Regular City Council Meeting
Minutes - April 5. 1988
Page 8
(Commercia] Property/Assessments for Water, Continued)
Mr. Green asked about the difference between the assessment and a
connection charge. Attorney Hawkins explained a connection charge is
Imposed under a separate Chapter which authorizes munIcipalities to
fund theIr sewer and water Improvements by collectIng from those who
hook up to the system. Under the 429 procedure. the properties are
assessed whether they hook up or not.
Motion carried unanImously.
CouncIl agreed the engIneers should do further study and an analysIs
of the fundIng of the water system to see If the rates are In line and
are meeting the needs of the system.
HILLS OF BUNKER LAKE FINAL PLAT
MOTION by EllIng, Seconded by KnIght, a ResolutIon approving the
final plat of HIlls of Bunker Lake 3rd Addition Improvement ProJect
No. 88-5 as being developed by Hills. Inc., In Section 26 and 35,
Township 32, Range 24, as presented. (See Reso]utlon R044-88) Motion
carried unanimously.
TONSON
MOTION by Elling, Seconded by Knight. that we refer the Tonson issue
back to the Planning and Zoning Commission to Initiate the revocation
of the SpecIal Use PermIt. DISCUSSION:
Zoning AdmInistrator d'Arcy Boseli reported the Waste Management Board
is satisfied wIth what is going on with the Tonson operation. Sites
1, 2, and the wetland have been cleaned up and Site 3 is about one-
half finished. She has spoken with Milton LaPanta, who expects to
meet the January, 1989, deadlIne to have the site cleaned up. She has
inspected the sIte and tound everything In order. Also, Anoka County
amended the license provision to accept the Insurance amount that
could be acquIred by the operatIon. The license was amended and runs
from February 16 to June 30, 1988. The County also feeis the
operatIon Is In complIance with the license requirements.
Ms. Bosell stated they are taking very few tIres in the receIving and
processing area. There are more monIes available through the State
Legislature for the cleanup, and Mr. LaPanta has been renegotIating
the monIes to be paId off for the waste tire abatement. The large
shredder was down for repairs but is to be back in operation tomorrow.
She dId not have a reason for which the City could start the
revocation process.
Regular CIty CouncIl MeetIng
MInutes - AprI I 5, 1988
Page 9
(Tonson, ContInued)
Councilman EllIng was annoyed that Mr. LaPanta was bIddIng agaInst
another cIty for other tire piles. Ms. Bosel I stated the tires that
came from Plymouth are already through the shredder and are gone. She
explained there are two Issues -- the recycling Issue on the front
four acres and the waste abatement on the back 11 acres.
CouncIlman Orttel asked if there are verIfiable means of determinIng
how many tires are there and if they are beIng shredded and removed.
Ms. Bosel I stated yes, the sites were measured before the stipulatIon
agreement was entered Into. The only pIle on sIte that may be
considered for revocatIon are the oversIzed tires that were scheduled
to go to Babbott. For some time those tIres were located on the east
sIde of the property on the Heidelberger easement. They had to be
moved off that easement and are now on Site 1 because Babbott Is not
accepting tires at thIs tIme. She dIdn't thInk there was a case for
revocatIon of the permit at this time.
Fire Chief Bob Palmer stated he was in there a week ago, and it
appears the only place any cleanIng has been done Is the area behInd
the buildIng. All the tIres are around the buildIng, and there Is no
way they could get any fire equipment through there for fireflghtlng.
Ms. Bosell didn't deal with the fIre lane Issue, but she felt that
would be taken care of with a call to M.. LaPanta. She stated she
will cal] hIm about that issue.
In further Counc 11 dIscussIon, Ms. Bosel I revIewed the progress and
proposed cleanup schedule. She also noted the gate Issue has been
taken care of. Counc i I expressed concern that the operator does not
keep the fIre lanes open unless asked repeatedly, that the operation
apparently functioned for a period of tIme wI thout a ] I cense and the
City wasn't aware of it, and that the CIty has not been kept Informed
of actions by other agencies regarding the operatIon. Ms. Bosell
again stated she will cal I M.. LaPanta. feeling those fIre lanes will
be opened upon request.
Counc II suggested the fire Janes be staked so It mal' be easier to keep
them open. Counc i I also asked to be provided a wrItten explanation of
what took place with the license for thIs operation. Ms. Bose I I
stated she would provide a copy of the letter she receIved on the
issue.
CouncIlmen EllIng and Knight WITHDREW the Second and the MotIon.
ASSESSMENT ABATEMENT
Dan Esselman. 1685 Crosstown Boulevard - has one-fourth acre
adJacent to hIs home whIch Is an unbuIldable sIte, and he Is gettIng
assessed for water on that lot. Mayor Wi ndsch I t I thought that TKDA
took the posItion that because there I s enough land area there for two
Regular City Council MeetIng
Minutes - AprIl 5, 1988
Page 10
(Assessment Abatement, Continued)
Mr. Schrantz explained the water proJect from 139th to 140th along
Crosstown Bou]evlard was for trunk purposes, and only those who
petitioned for It were assessed. Mr. Esselman sIgned the petition for
hIs house, but not for the other lot. Staff felt since no one else
was assessed at this tIme. that this lot should not be assessed
at this time either.
Mayor Wlndschltl asked how this is any different than what was done on
Round Lake Boulevard. He thought the policy was to assess undeveloped
lots for water. Mr. Schrantz stated the pipe up Crosstown was for
trunk purposes, and the understanding was no one would be assessed
unless they petitioned and hooked up.
Mr. Esselman stated because of the position of the house, the two-acre
parcel cannot be subdivided. Counc i I asked that the staff and TKDA
determine what was done with the sewer and whether the the lot Is
realIstically subdIvidable. It was fe It If the house Is located such
that It Is not subdivIdable, It Is one lot. If that Is found to be
the case, the sewer assessment should onlY be for one lot also.
MOTION by Elling, Seconded by Orttel, refer this back to the Staff
and TKDA to look at It to see If It should abated and contInue It to
the next meeting. MotIon carried unanImously.
RECEIVE PETITION/OAK BLUFF
MOTION by Knight, Seconded by Elling, a Resolution declarIng
adequacy of petition and orderIng preparation of a feasibIlity report
for the improvements of watermaln and sanItary sewer, ProJect No.
88-12, In the Oak B]uff AdditIon. (See Resolution R045-88) MotIon
carried unanimously.
EAW HIDDEN CREEK EAST
MOTION by EllIng. Seconded by Apel, a Resolution on the need for an
Environmental Impact Statement for HIdden Creek East prelimInary plat
as presented, makIng a negative declaration that it is not necessary.
(See Resolution R046-88) Motion carried unanimously.
HIDDEN CREEK EAST PHASE I/EPA BUFFER AREA
John Peterson, Good Value Homes, stated they are not aware of any
problems wIth the area. Mr. ROdeberg also didn't see a problem with
the proposed phase. Counc I I agreed.
Counc 1 I recessed at 9:48; reconvened at 9:55 p.m.
Regular CIty Council MeetIng
Minutes - April 5, 1988
Page 11
CROSSTOWN BOULEVARD/DNR WETLAND CROSSING
Mayor Wlndschlt] and Mr. Rodeberg reviewed the proposal which has been
reached wIth the DNR In order to obtain a permit for the realIgnment
of Crosstown Boulevard. They showed the areas on maps which are
adJacent to the wetland that the DNR would requIre for mItIgatIon.
The DNR would also go along with a 20-foot bridge, but nothIng less.
John StIne, DNR, also revIewed the DNR's position under which they
would Issue the permIt and the events that lead to the agreement.
There Is 2.1 acres of wetland being eliminated by the road, plus the
wildlife base Is beIng cut In half. Though the Wildlife DIvIsIon
wanted a 50-foot bridge so wildlife could flow between the two areas
freely, his posItIon Is that a 20-foot bridge would be suffIcient
and less costly to the City. To enhance the area, they want a small
dike constructed In the northwest corner of the adJoining Menkveld
property to maintain more water during wet periods. The developers of
that property have been cooperative during this process. He asked for
a resolution or statement from the Council by Friday that It commits
to that course of action.
Art Raudio. developer of Red Oaks 5th - stated they have one acre
that Is high along Bunker Lake Boulevard and the proposed extension of
Crosstown Boulevard. The rest Is withIn the DNR wetland. He proposed
moving other highland to the east to add to the one-acre so there
would be sufficIent high ground for a commercia] area. All they would
need is permissIon from the DNR to add a half acre of fill. He stated
a commercial operation on that intersection makes good sense In
planning and would generate $20,000 to $25.000 a year to the city,
which would pal' for the bridge In four or five years. Before givIng
all hIs land to the DNR, he first wanted permIssIon for that one-half
acre of fill on the proposed commercial site. Mr. Raudlo felt once he
gave his land for this proJect, he would not have any bargaining power
In obtaInIng permIssIon from the DNR to fIll the that area.
Mr. StIne explained he cannot give permissIon to fill the area Mr.
Raudlo Is proposing, as he cannot waive those rules. Mr. Raudlo can
petitIon to the DNR and get a determination from an Independent
hearing commIssion; but that Is a lengthy process. and he cannot
guarantee that Mr. Raudlo wIll be successful.
After further dIscussion with Mr. Raudlo, several Councilmen Indicated
support for Mr. Raudio's Idea to shift the wetland to make a buildable
commercial parcel at the Intersection. But to tIe that to the
mitigation would set the construction of the road back a year or two.
The general consensus was the road proJect must proceed as soon as
possible.
Mayor Wlndschltl asked for a motion for the City to acquire the area
of the Menkveld property outlined In green that Is behind the red lIne
on the map before them and that the Council agrees to the construction
of the 20-foot bridge on the Crosstown road realignment.
Regular City Council Meeting
Minutes - ApLi I 5, 1988
Page 12
(Crosstown Boulevard/DNR Wetland CrossIng, Continued)
MOTION by Knight, Seconded by Elling, to so move, using these maps
as reference poInts, and Include the 20-foot brIdge. (See Resolution
R047-88) MotIon carried unanImously
Discussion was then with Mr. Raudio in an attempt to reach an
agreement regardIng the property desIred by the DNR for mItIgatIon.
Mayor Wlndschitl thought five lots would be lost from the Red Oaks
Manor 5th Addition, not six, because of the Inclusion of a lot In the
southern portion of the plat that Is in the DNR protected wetland.
Mayor Windschitl stated the CIty could use part of the pUblic park
Issue which can be used to satisfy the developer. Also, the developer
would not have to pal' the assessments on any property that would be
acquIred by or be dedicated to the CIty.
Counc i I generally agreed to leave the proposed commercIal area as an
outlot on the plat, and the developer would have to go through the
permit procedure of the DNR for any fill desired on that outlot.
M.. Raudio proposed a credIt on the trunk assessment on the balance of
the property, which Is about 20 acres. M.. Rodeberg calculated, based
on the proposed layout, that that would amout to a reduction of about
$32,000. Mr. Rodeberg also stated that Mr. Raudio had asked that all
of the storm sewer assessment be deleted, which would reduce the
assessment by another $14,000.
Mr. Raudio stated water is being dumped onto the low area of their
property; however, the City has never purchased the property or an
easement. He stated he Is willing to provide the land for the DNR so
the road can be put through. But he felt he Is not beIng treated
faIrly on the deal; as he is havIng to give the land, yet he must
fight to get a half acre of f I I ] from the DNR for the commercIal lot
knowIng he mal' not get It. He felt I t Is grossly unfaIr and lopsided.
M.. RaudIo stated he also had to give 92 feet total, 29 feet more. to
the county along Bunker Lake Boulevard because the county wI I I not put
that road back on lIne.
No decIsions were made at this tIme. Mr. Raudio was asked to make a
recommendation to the Council regardIng the mitIgated property such as
a combinatIon ot park dedIcatIon and payment In cash for the remaInIng
property. Counc I I agreed to have the property surveyed and a value
se t on It. The acreages and values are to be established for each
area -- the wetland and that area that Is to be acquIred by the City.
If no agreement can be reached wIth Mr. RaudIo, then the City would be
forced to begin eminent domain proceedings.
Regular City Council MeetIng
Minutes - April 5, 1988
Page 13
(Crosstown Boulevard/DNR Wetland Crossing. Continued)
MOTION by Orttel, Seconded by Elling, that we authorize the City
Staff to contact with property surveyor to survey those properties the
City anticipates acquiring for mItigation of the new Crosstown
realignment and other wetland areas In the proposed Red Oaks 5th
Addition; and to begin abstractIng necessary prior to the commencement
of emInent domain proceeding. DISCUSSION: Council clarifIed the
need for the acreage and value of the wetland, plus the value and
acreage of the land between the wetland and the red line on the map
before the CouncIl. MotIon carrIed unanImously.
87-32 WINSLOW HILLS/APPROVE PLANS AND SPECS
Gary Gorham. the developer, asked about the completion date, as he has
already sold six homes for September 1 possession. Mr. Rodeberg
stated they are having a problem with the September 1 completIon date
consIdering the completIon date for the trunk lIne Is August 1. The
question Is what is reasonable and how much can be done ahead of tIme.
Mr. Rodeberg thought a more reasonable completion date would be
October 1, but unfortunately that is after Parade of Homes. He
thought a possibility would be to put September 10 as a completIon
date for utilitIes and leave the streets until later.
Mr. Gorham thought September 10 would be acceptable for utIlitIes if
they could get a pumping agreement if necessary. Mr. Rodeberg noted
there mal' be a problem with pumpIng because of the Jack of storage
capacity in the lIne. It was agreed that could be looked at later.
Attorney HawkIns advIsed the descriptions and easements are needed for
the trunk lines through Oak Colony Estates, the Schneider property,
and Oak Bluff 2nd. Under condemnation, it would take 90 days for a
quick take, which means constructIon could not begin before July 1.
MOTION by EllIng, Seconded by Knight. a ResolutIon approving final
plans and specIfIcatIons and orderIng advertIsement for bids for
ProJect No. 87-32 for watermain. sanItary sewer, storm draIn and
street constructIon and amend the document to say September 10 for
sewer and water and November 10 for fInal completion. (See Reso]utlon
R048-88) Motion carrIed unanImously.
87-11B REVISED STORM SEWER
Mr. Rodeberg reviewed the revised storm sewer plan for ProJect 87-11B
by dIvidIng the draInage area into three separate dIstricts. The
distrIct serving Oak Bluff 2nd would be pIped down Bluebird Into a
pond south of Andover Boulevard, and trom there piped through the Oak
Regular City Council Meeting
MInutes - Aprl] 5, 1988
Page 14
(87-11B RevIsed Storm Sewer, Continued)
Colony Estates proposed plat to the creek. The Coon Creek Waterhsed
has Indicated they would be willIng to construct the pond south of
Andover Boulevard If the City supplied the property. ThIs wasn't a
feaslb]e route previously because the pond was too high nor enough
storage to keep the line small. With the construction of the pond,
the cost of the outlet is significantly reduced. The cost is
estImated to be 5.5 cents a square foot; but because It Is running
directly through plats, there Is also some lateral benefit.
Mr. Rodeberg revIewed the prelIminary assessment roll, feeling there
was enough up front benefIt pay for the buIldIng of the lIne now and
deferrIng the assessment to HartfIeld's, SchneIder, and Wallace. The
reason they would lIke a decIsion on thIs Is to Include the proJect as
an alternate to the sewer and water trunk line proJect that Is being
bId next week. He also felt the costs mal' be lower If the storm sewer
lIne Is done at the same time the other utIlities are done.
DIscussIon was on the proposed proJect and the financing. Council
raised the question of the Impact on the Winslow Hills storm draInage
proJect by taking out the Wa]lace property and puttIng It Into the Oak
Bluff area. Mr. Rodeberg explained since there Is going to be the
large regional pond south of Andover Boulevard, most of the Wal]ace
property will drain in that direction rather then toward the Winslow
Hills pipe down Xeon as previously proposed. It changes the economics
of the plan done for Winslow Hills somewhat, but he dIdn't think It
was signifIcant.
The main concern of the Council was who would carry the assessments
for Hartfle]d's, Schneider and Wallace, feeling the City at large does
not have the resources to do so. At thIs time the consensus of the
Council was not to have the City carry the assessments for those three
areas.
AI Hammel, developer. thought It was short sIted to put In a storm
drainage system to serve theIr property only and not the abuttIng
propertIes. He wants a system that can serve Oak B]uff and where he
doesn't end up paying for other properties that benefit. Mayor
Wlndschltl ask~d It they would be wIllIng to carry the assessment for
the three that would come In tor development In the future.
Mr. Hammel stated no. He had a problem paying $50,000 of additional
expense for future development when he wouldn't get paId back until
after the year 2000.
Discussion was on alternatIves and costs. Mr. Schrantz also noted he
planned to meet wIth Mr. Schneider to determine where services should
be provided to his property as the sewer trunk goes past. Council
cautioned It is not the City's posItion to be laying out a plat on
prIvate property, and also felt the property owner should be payIng
If many additIonal stubs will be comIng from the line.
Regular CIty Council Meeting
Minutes - AprI I 5, 1988
Page 15
(87-11B Revised Storm Sewer, ContInued)
Counc i I fInally discussed the possibility that the proposed proJect
for Oak Bluff 2nd Addition drainage be downsized to serve that area
only, excludIng the HartfIeld's, Schneider and Wallace areas.
Mayor Wlndschit] asked Mr. Hamel if he would provIde easement for the
utIlity trunk line through the Oak Bluff property even if it Is found
it Is unfeasible to provIde storm sewer to that plat rIght now.
Mr. Hamel thought It would be a problem to have to pay sewer and water
assessments If I t Is found that it Is not feasible to plat Oak Bluff
2nd at thIs time. Mayor Windschltl stated the City cannot assess
when a benefIt cannot be shown, but If an easement cannot be obtaIned,
the alternative of running the trunk lInes up Hanson Boulevlard needs
to be looked at now.
MOTION by Orttel. Seconded by Apel, that we dIrect TKDA to prepare a
feaslbi]Ity report for the Oak Bluff 2nd AddItIon and surrounding
areas that shows the mInImum acceptable storm draInage for Just those
developed areas of Oak Bluff 2nd and Oak Bluff 1st and Old Colony
Estates, and also solicit bids as an alternatve to trunk sewer proJect
that's going on In the area based on that report, to serve only those
properties. MotIon carrIed unanimously.
It was agreed Mr. Rodeberg will finalIze the cost estimates for the
proJect for the next meetIng.
87-27 AWARD CONTRACT/WOODLAND CREEK
MOTION by EllIng. Seconded by Knight. a Reso]utlon accepting bIds
and awarding contract for the Improvement of ProJect No. 87-27 for
watermain, sanItary sewer, storm drainage and streets wIth concrete
curb and gutter construction in the area of Woodland Creek as
presented, showing S. J. Louis Construction as Jow bidder, J. P. Nor ex
as second low bidder and C. W. Houle being third bidder. (See
Resolution R049-88) MotIon carried unanimously.
CHANGE ORDER/COMMERCIAL PARK
Mr. Rodeberg asked for approval of two change orders in the Commercial
Park. One Is to take the grading out of the Gammon Brothers contract
and shIftIng it to the Anderson Brothers contract. The other is to
add 350 feet of pipe to the Anderson Brothers contract to complete the
outlet from the pond in the Commercial Park to HIdden Creek.
MOTION by Apel, Seconded by EIJlng, that we approve a change order
deleting the storm sewer and the grading project of 87-6 and 87-6b for
the Commercial Park and adding the storm sewer to the utIlity
contract. Motion carrIed unanimously.
Regular City Council Meeting
Minutes - April 5, 1988
Page 16
MOTION by Knight, Seconded by EI]lng, to continue the meeting to
Thursday. Apr I I 7, 7:30 p.m. Motion carried unanimously.
Meeting carried to April 7, 1988. 11:52 p.m.
Respectfully submitted. '
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Marc la A. Peach
Recording Secretary