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CITY of ANDOVER
SPECIAL CITY COUNCIL MEETING-SEPTEMBER 30, 1986
AGENDA
l. Call to order - 7:30 P.M.
2. Continued Public Hearing-86/19
3. IP86-3/Bunker Lake Blvd/Hanson Blvd/Sewer & Water
4.
·5.
6. Adjournment
CITY of ANDOVER
SPECIAL CITY COUNCIL MEETING - SEPTEMBER 30, 1986
MINUTES
A Special Meeting of the Andover City Council was called to order by Mayor Jerry
Windschitl on September 30, 1986, 7:30 p.m., at the Andover City Hall, 1685
Crosstown Boulevard NW, Andover, Minnesota.
Councilmen present: Elling, Knight, Orttel
Councilman absent: Lachinski
Also present: TKDA Engineers, John Davidson and John Rodeberg; City
Administrator/Engineer, James E. schrantz; and others
CONTINUED PUBLIC HEARING/86-19
Mr. .Davidson outlined the project as to what has been done to date and the
proposed program to service the water management in the southwest area of the
City. He explained the agreement made with the City of Anoka to buy into their
storm drainage system for $100,000, the proposed installation of a pipe along
the County 116 ditch between the Dehn's pond and the Chutich pond, the water
level established by the DNR for the pond acquired by the County and Good Value
pond, and the proposal to outlet that County/Good Value pond by pipe going west
to the proposed pipe in the County 116 ditch.
Mr. Davidson also explained the proposed costs and financing of the project. In
addition to the buy-in cost to the City of Anoka, it is estimated the cost of the
pipe along County 116 will be $44,000 and the pipe between the County/Good Value
pond will be $10,000 - $12,000. Also, the County has agreed to participate in
the project in the amount of $9,000. It is also proposed that Good Value Homes
will pay for the cost of the outlet pipe from their pond, that those within the
watershed basin would be assessed at an estimated cost of 1.5 cents per square
foot, and the remaining amount would come from the funds from the 80-3 construction
project because that watershed district is draining in the direction of the project
area. No determination has yet been made as to whether undeveloped property will
be assessed immediately or have that assessment deferred.
The hearing was then open to public testimony.
Dennis Thelen, 14429 Seventh Avenue - stated the houses along Seventh Avenue do
not drain into that pond. He has a pie-shaped lot and only the back portion,
about 1Πpercent, drains in that direction, Yet he is being assessed for the
en tire parcel. Mr. Rodeberg stated he should not be. Such issues will be
addressed at the assessmènt hearing, but he should pay for only that portion of
the lot which drains toward the project area. He thought that for most of the
lots along Seventh Avenue, only the back portion of their yards drained toward
the project area, and they would be assessed for only that portion.
Dwight Pollard, 4322 145th Lane NW - asked what area is being assessed for this.
He stated nobody from Anoka has to pay for this but those in Andover will be
paying for them as well. Mayor Windschitl explained the agreement reached with
the City of Anoka for the $100,000 buy-in cost to use their storm drainage system
with no additional cost for this project to their residents, It was a negotiated
agreement. The effect of charging Anoka for their area that drains into the
project area would be an increase in that $100,000 cost.
Special City Council Meeting
September 30, 1986 - Minutes
Page 2
(Continued Public Hearing/86-19)
Mr. P9lJ ar..9. - asked the cost to run a pipe to the rum River directly
west. The Engineers noted because of the depth, the cost would be
much mor-e than the proposal.
MG....£:.f!11 a .eg. - asked if those to the east are being assessed since
that water is pip .?d to the Good Value pond. Mayor Windschit1 noted
that portion which wi 11 be coming from the project fund from that area
which was 1 evi €:?d an assessment for storm drainage previously. The
proposal is that those within the DE'hn' 5 area be assessed 1.. 5 cents
per square foot, ~ h i ch amounts to appro>: i matel y 46 percent of the
total project cost..
RoseJ._~-ª_ Son ~t f.?Q.y_-,- 415t_141..?1;_Av£n~'e NH - stated she has all the land
that is receiving the ,;ater. Over 90 acres was diverted out of the
Coon Crpek l'Jatershed district and dumped onto her property. Plus the
48 acres that has been diverted from the City of Anoka for the last 15
year-s. She did not vJant it called "Dehn's pond" any more, stating it
is an Andover park and should be call ed Andover park. Ms. Sonsteby
~Jent on to say the "later has been slowly building up since it has been
diverted onto her property. Now the DNR wants 25.49 acres of this
1 and to the east to make up for the 4.1 acres the County is taking out
of the ,;et 1 and for the road. That also includes some of her highland
between the two ponds. Plus they are condemning low areas in the back
of the lots in Rosella's Addition, so those lots will be reduced in
si ze. The DNR wants to keep the water 1 eve 1 of that pond at 868 and
is proposing the pipe to the west be at 868. She felt in that event,
the ground \'Jater- from that pond wi 11 seek its ~ ay to the ~'Jest unless
that pond is sealed.
t'1s.. Sonsteby alleged the City dumped all the ~ ater on her property
and now is assessing her :t50 , 000 to lower it less than what it was
before. l'Ji th the 48-inch pipe across the road behind her house, she
charged they will now ruin her residence. She stated she intends to
appeal the assessfTI€-?nt. Also, she is being assessed for t,·JO of her
lake lots, but that water runs toward Round Lake. Ms. Sonsteby also
e:"p1ainpd the size of the pond years ago ,·¡i th roads in the area that
is now under water.
The Enginpprs noted she should have been assessed for only that
portion of the lots that drain toward the cuI de sac, but that will be
addressed at the assessment hearing. Mayor Windschit1 also understood
the proposal for the ,;ater 1 eve1 of the County/Good Value pond is set
by the DNF< and is the mitigation for- the road coming through Andover
and the Rum River crossing.
M!:?~.9-ºD...?_·t~b'y~ - stated Commi ss.i oner- Natalie Haas Steffen told her the
mitigation was only for the road through Andover. Mayor Windscl1it1
Special City Council Meeting
September 30, 1986 - Minutes
Page 3
(Continued Public Hearing/86-19)
e>:plained that is not what the DNR has stated in its letter. The
Council can either tur-n the pipe ar-ound and dr-ain the area east of
Round Lake Boulevard tawar-d Coon Creek or leave it drain to the west
as it is currently doing. The DNR l'¡ants that water coming to that
pond so they can have standing ~¡ater in that pond. So the money that
is in that project fund ~¡i 11 be put toward this project and will be a
permanent solution to the ponds.
Mr. Schrantz also explained on Ms. Sonsteby's side of the peninsula,
the elevation of the pipe will be at 865.5, which is lower than the
County pond. Mayor- Windschitl also noted this proj¡;;ct gives a
positive outlet as to where the water will be exiting, though
realizing the pipe intake 1 i mi tati ons. But this project ,"i 11 take
appro:.' i mate1 y b10 feet of water out of that entir-e ar-ea.
Ms. Sonsteby - stated they are only putting in a 48-inch pipe in the
road <Joing south. So that water ~,i 11 stay on the land for a long time
befor-e it r-uns out. Mayor ~Ji ndschi t1 explained the 48-inch pipe is
not involved in this project. That is being required of the County by
the DNR to counterbalance the two wetland ar-eas. The 1 imiting factor
wi 11 be" the 18-inch storm drain being proposed for this project in the
County 116 ditch. It will take some time before the ar-ea is drained
down to the 865.5 level, but the pipe is sized so it wi 11 not flood
out Anoka.
1"15. Sonsteby - stated ,·,i th the proposal, she is wor-se off than
before when the water was not bui 1 t up from all that diverted water.
Mayor l'Ji ndschi t 1 stated the DNR will not 1 et the elevation go below
865.
t1~;; . Sonstel!.Y.. - stated the DNR can change designations only every 10
years. That pond has been getting larger every year and they are now
sho~...,i ng it as ~\let 1 and on their maps, ar-guing it is not l1et1 and.
(?) - stated if this is not done now, it won't get done. He
also felt they won't <Jet a better pr-ice because the funds being Llsed
for- this may be used for something else. Mayor Windschitl stat<,d
the Council wants to resolve the issue east of Round Lake Boulevard
and is looking at the contribution from the 80-3 fund as a help to
r-educe the project costs tr-emendously.
(?) - noted the pr-ice was appro,·, i mate1 y $600,000 to do this
project two year-s ago. Now it is down to :t165,000, implying this is
the best solution.
Spec i a1 City COLtrlC i 1 i"leeting
September 30, 1986 - Minutes
Page 4
(Continued Public Hearing/86-19)
(7) - stated there is a pipe from Round Lake into the area;
and Round Lake is higher than the pond area, suggesting the ar-ea
around the lake also be assessed for the project. The pipe could be
used to lower Round Lake, which would help the lake and benefit those
around the lake.
Ms. Sonste~_ - stated the lake has never overflot.-Jed until this year.
She plugged up the pipe as soon as she heard it had ben opened. She
stated she had no problem ,."ith tal,ing that pipe out. Discussion
beb~een the Engineers and several residents was some people believe
the lake is sealed and dDes not contribute to the ground w¿lter in the
surrounding area. The lake definitely outlets to the northwest, which
was an alternate that was studied.
!;<.Ltl Rucke1~343 145th Avenue - asked if there are fewer people
being assessed than before. Previously he was proposed to be assessed
$215 per acre and now it has quadrupled. The Engineers noted the arf?a
of proposed assessment and the portion to the north that is no longer
being included because it is not benefitted in this project. This
proposal reduces the water 1 evel apprm: i mate1 y 1 1/2 to 2 feet;
whereas the proposal to the northwest would have 1 m'¡ered this area by
only 6 inches. The difference in cost is the Anoka buy-in cost in
order to get the pond down the 1 1/2 feet.
1"1~~_~onste.Q"y:' - stated when she developed property, the developer had
to pay all e:·:penses, but now those lots in the Good Value Additions
"¡hi ch are contributing to this problem will not be paying an
assessment. She thought they should be directly assessed for this
project. Mayor Windschit1 e><p1ained Good Value also paid the
e~'~penses as they developed and a portion of those funds from that
improvement project are now being put toward this project.
MOTION by Ortte1, Seconded by Elling, to close the public input
portion of the public hearing. Motion carried unanimously.
Discussion was on the length of the assessment and amoLtnt of
assessment per year. Council agreed to determine the policy for
undeveloped property at the time of the assessment hearing, but it
tl'Jas fe1 t the length of the assessment should be either 10 or 15
years, asking that the bond counsel make a recommendation. It was
also noted that the proposed assessment is based on single family
residential use. In the event some area is developed to a higher use
such as commer-cial or multiples, the property would be assessed at a
higher rate.
Special City Council Meeting
September 30, 1986 - Minutes
Page 5
(Continued Public Hearing/86-19)
MOTION by Elling, Seconded by Ortte1, that we direct the Staff to
prepare a Resolution to order the project for Dehn s pond. (See
Resolution R155-86) Motion carried unanimously.
MOTION by Ortte1, Seconded by Elling, that we close the Public
Hearing for Project 86-19. Motion carried unanimoLlsly..
Hearing closed at 8:30 p.m.
Council recessed at this time; reconvened at 8:40 p.m.
IP86-3/E)J,JNfŒR LAKE BOLJ_LEVARD/HANSON E!OLJLEVARD/SEWER~<WATER
Mr. Davidson reviewed the maps and estimated costs for three
alternatives to providing ser-vice within the proposed ultimate urban
service area. All three proposals call for t,"O independent districts:
that to the north of Andover Boulevard and that to the south of Coon
Creek. That area north of Andover Boulevard can be serviced entirely
b gravity under all three proposals from the existing line on
Crosstown Boulevard, north behind the Shady f'~no11 development and
across Coon Creek, east~.o, ard along Andover Boulevard and north on
Hanson Boulevard.
t1r. Davidson e>:pl ai ned the three alternatives in some detail.
Alternate 1 is a total gravity system for both districts and is the
most costly. The bids received to service the area of Bunker Lake and
Hanson Boulevards came in $400,000 over the Engineer's estimate, and
thf0' Engineer's estimate had an estimated $100,000 that the City would
carry until the se~~Jer ~..,as extended further to the east.
Alternate 3 called fm- a lift station within the Hills of Bunker Lake
plat with the line coming from its e>:isting location on Crossto,·¡n
Boulevard north to Andover Boulevard and east to the Hanson Boulevard
area. This was the least expensive alternative.
Al tE·rnate 2 provided for a shall o~..., line along Bunker Lake Boulevard to
service the Hills of Bunker Lake plat area, but still called for a
lift stati on within that pI at. In this proposal, the Jay Street ar-ea
could be serviced by running a line south of Bunker Lake Boulevard as
propE.?rty develops "¡ithin that area. Alternate 2 serves the immediate
need to serve the Hills of Bunker Lake plat area and doesn't relate to
leapfrogging and assessing ahead of need.
Spec i a1 City Council Meeti ng
September 30, 1986 - Minutes
Page 6
( IP86-3/Sewer and (>Jater, Continued)
There was a great deal of discussion on the three alternatives, with
the Council recognizing the most immediate need to provide service to
the ar-ea of the Hi Us of Bunker Lake plat. Concerns that were raised
'.ere the additional costs involved, the ability to serve the
designated and proposed urban service area, and the policy of using
gravity system only and not installing lift stations.
The Engineers and Staff e;.:pressed some concern over- a gravity system
because of the e~·:treme depth of the 1 ine, the maintenance of those
line, and the question of whether all areas to the east can be
served. Mr. D¿tvi dson noted the additional cost in the 86-3 bids
generally related to the considerable amount of dewatering needed for
such deep 1 i n es. He stated there is no way to sE?r-vice that area ,.i th
gravity without that depth of pipe.
Var-ioLls other alternatives were suggested and discussed in an effort
to determine the best way to service the Hanson and Bunker Lake
Boulevard ar-eas and eastward to the corporate boundary. Mr. Davidson
tought in general Alternate 1 , the gravity feed system, could ser-vice
the entire MUS A to the east city limits, though he wanted to revi ettJ
that in greater depth.
Council asked for further information regarding the alternatives
before making a decision: 1) that the Engineers determine the
additional ar-ea that could be serviced east of the proposed Hill s of
Bunker Lake plat with the gravity system of Alternate 1· 2) to
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determine the additional cost to service that area; and 3) to relate
those additional assessable acres to the total summary of costs per
aCF"e to SE'r-vi ce that entire area. The Engineers fe1 t they could have
that information by the October 7 meeting. Council agreed to add this
item to the October 7 agenda for further discussion.
ENCHANTED DRIVE STORM DRAINAGE
Mr. Schrantz noted the Council had directed the project to be done if
the necessary easements could be obtained. He stated he has talked
,'¡i th tk. Hughes, e>:plaining that the project will not change anything.
The pipe ,.ou1 d be installed SLlch that it would be at the same
£'1 evati on as before the road was built and ~¡ou1 d drain to the low
area. Mr. Hughes stated the area is a buildable lot as he was! assessed
for it ~"Jhen the streets were put in. To date Mr. Hughes has been
unwilling to negotiate an easement agreement.
Spec i al City Council Meeting
September 30, 1986 - Minutes
Page 7
(Enchanted Drive Storm Drainage, Continued)
Council agreed to install the culverts but cautioned the water be
metered very carefully to drain the area so no damage is done to Mr.
Hughes' property.
~OTION by Ortte1, Seconded by Elling, to adjourn. Motion carried
unanimously.
Meeting adjourned at 10:07 p.m.
F:espectfull y submitted,
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Mar -110. A. Peach .
Recor tng Secretary