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CITY of ANDOVER
REGULAR CITY COUNCIL MEETING-JULY IS, 1986-AGENDA
7:30 P.M. 1. Call to Order
2. Resident Forum
3. Agenda Approval
4. Public Hearing-Vacation of Easement/Andover Partners
5. Discussion Items
a. Terry Hanson Special Use Permit, Cont.
b. Woodland Meadows Preliminary Flat
c. Nightingale Estates 3rd Addition Preliminary Plat
d. New Generation Homes Sketch Plan
e. Hidden Creek East Sketch Plan
f. Richard'Bassing" Special Use Permit
g. League Bonding Pool
h. Outdoor Education, Inc. Discussion
i. Coon Rapids Storm Drain/Joint Powers Feasibility
j. Salary Discussion/Council
*1<. Bond Sale
6. Non-Discussion Items
a. Amend Resolution No. 80-82/SUP
b. Hidden Creek 3rd Addition
1. Award Contract
2. Approve Final Plat
3. Approve Development Contract
c. Approve Contract/Lake Animal Control
d. Supplemental Assessment/85-5 & 86-8
e. Final Payment85-9/Well No. 2
*f. Audit Report
7. Staff, Commission, Committee
a. Water Truck/Public Works
. b. Park Board
8. Approval of Claims
9. Approval of Minutes
10. Adjournment
*Not on published agenda
CITY of ANDOVER
REGULAR CITY COUNCIL MEETING-JULY 15, 1986-MINUTES
The Regularly Scheduled Andover City Council meeting was called to order
by Mayor Windschitl at 7:32 P.M. , Tuesday, July 15, 1986 at the Andover
City Hall, 1685 Crosstown Boulevard N.W., Andover, MN.
Councilmen Present: Elling, Knight, Orttel
Councilmen Absent: Lachinski {arrived at 7:50 P.M.}
Also Present: Dave Almgren, City Building Official; Terry Hanson;
Lawrence Carlson; Esther Olson; Wayne Bachman; John
Peterson; Richard Bassing; Don Jacobson, Planning
Commission Chairman; others
Agenda Approval
Councilman Elling asked that Waste Disposal Engineering be added to the
agenda.
MOTION by Knight, seconded by Elling to approve the agenda as amended.
Motion carried unanimously.
Public Hearing-Vacation of Easement/Andover Partners
Mayor Windschitl noted that the developers of the shopping center have
requested that a 20 foot drainage and utility easement along the south
of Lot 1, Block 3, Andover Community Shopping Center be vacated.
Jeff Wickert, Andover Partners - stated that they would like to bui ld a
supermarket on that portion of the property where the easement now is
located.
MOTION by Elling, seconded by Knight adopting an ordinance v~cating a
20 foot drainage and utility easement along the south 20 feet of Lot 1,
Block 3, Andover Community Shopping Center subject to the receipt of a new
legal description for the relocation of the new easement.
Motion carried unanimously.
Terry Hanson Special Use Permit, Cont. i
Steve Erickson, 9749 Hamilton Road, Eden prairie, representing Terry
Hanson of Typhoon Car Wash - stated that they have redrawn the plan,
reducing the size of the project so that they can maintain a '35 foot set-
back on the north side and a 30 foot setback on the south. They have
included landscaping, lighting, optional parking lot lighting away from the
residential area. He also noted that they have a privacy fence on 2 sides
of the building which will be similar to the one by Bill's Superette.
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Mayor Windschitl stated that the Council is trying to sort out the traffic
flows. He asked if there is enough room for a car to get inio the first
bay.
Mr. Erickson noted that they will have to jog slightly to get into the bay.
Regular City Council Meeting
July 15, 1986 - Minutes
Page 2
(Terry Hanson Special Use Permit, Cont. )
Mayor Windschitl stated that the feeling of the staff is that the drive-
ways are in the wrong place.
Dave Almqren - noted that staff looked at the design of the stacking, which
shows a maximum of 2 stacking on the road. In a few years, there will be
right and left turn lanes off Round Lake Boulevard which will cut the
stacking back doen. By moving the entrance to the ease, there would be
less water building up and forming ice in the winter.
Mel Kitzberqer, 3548 - 141st Lane N.W. - stated that at a previous meeting,
the 20 feet of green space on the north was discussed and now the plan
shows only 10 feet of green space.
Mr. Erickson explained that the ordinance requires 10 feet on the rear
side of the lot and 20 feet on the street side.
James Norman, 3503 - 140th Lane N.W. - noted that there are a few more
people at the meeting tonight in opposition then there have been at
previous meetings.
Tim Casey, 3517 - 140th Lane N.W. - stated that he would welcome a car
wash in Andover, but not in that location. The traffic problem has not
been solved and the safety of the children needs to be considered. Mr.
Casey does not want to have cars turning around in his driveway. He felt
that it is not in the best interest of the community to have the car wash
in that location.
(Councilman Lachinski arrived at this time 7:50)
Joan Harms, 3431 - 140th Avenue N.W. - in favor of the car wash, noting
that it will provide jobs for our residents.
Steve Mickelson, 3617 - 140th Lane N.W. - stated that he submitted the
petition for a street light at 140th Lane and Round Lake Boulevard and
was wondering how it is progressing.
Mayor Windschitl stated that the request has been submitted by and City
and asked Dave Almgren to check with MnDOT to see what progress has
been made.
Mr. Mickelson - didn't see many problems with the first phase of the car
wash but felt that the tunnel might CaUSe some problems.
Ed Scott, 14042 Rose Street N.W. - felt that if the entrance is moved,
the cars will be stacking up along 140th Lane, which is where their
children are because they don't have sidewalks. He would like the area
to stay as it is .
Sally Norman stated that one morning she tried to get onto Round Lake
Boulevard and it took two minutes. She felt that when school is back
in session and people are not on vacation, there will be much more traffic.
Mel Kitzberqer - asked what will happen to keep cars from going through
the fence into the house next door.
Councilman Lachinski felt that if the car wash is as busy as everyone
Regular City Council ,eeting
July 15, 1986 - Minutes
Page 3
(Terry Hanson Special Use Permit, Cont. )
says it will be, the cars won't be going more than 1 mile an hour.
Terry Hanson, Typhoon Car Wash - noted that this property is 20,000 square
feet larger than the one in Anoka. That car wash is next to a residential
area and they don't have any problems.
Wayne Anderson, Rademacher and Associates - stated that he and Mr.
Rademacher feel this is a good site for this use. They are continually
striving to see that goods and services are brought to this community.
Mr. Hanson has 19 years of experience and they are dealing with him
because they feel he knows what he is doing.
Ed Scott - stated that if he was going to go to this car wash, he would
go in through 139th to 140th Lane. He doesn't want to listen to the noise
from a car wash.
Tim Casey - stated that he lives on 140th Lane and his driveway is the
turnaround spot for the neighborhood. If this goes through. he will put
up 'no trespassing' signs, take down license numbers and give them to the
City.
Mrs, Loe , 14043 Silverod Street - noted that she walks every
night with her boys and if this goes through she will have nowhere to walk.
Mr. Kitzberger felt that they could make better use of this property. He
asked why he should have to listen to their overhead doors going up and
dm,n.
James Norman - stated that over 140 people signed the petition against the
car wash.
Larry Banhorn - stated that he will also be writing down license numbers
and submitting them to the council.
Ed Scott - asked if there is any other property within the shopping center
that could be designated for this car wash. Mayor Windschitl stated that
there are some unbuilt pads left in the shopping center.
Steve Erickson - noted that they don't see any problems with stacking of
cars as they have allowed for 20 cars. He also noted that their research
shows that this is the only site left that is correctly zoned for a car
wash.
Councilman Lachinski - felt that the most important thing is that the
vacuuming is out of the way of the stacking. He didn't think that there
woudl be a problem with the stacking.
Councilman Ellinq questioned this location, mainly because of the noise
factor. He didn't feel that a 6 foot fence would do a lot of good. He
was also very concerned with the traffic.
Councilman Kniqht - noted that the traffic bothers him also. He stated that
the original intent was a quiet buffer for this site.
Regular city Council ..¿eting
July 15, 1986 = Minutes
Page 4
(Terry Hanson Special Use Permit, Cont. )
Wayne Anderson stated that there are uses that could go on this site. If
a Burger King went in, you woudl have noise also. He felt that once
the car "ash is there, everyone would like it.
Ed Scott and Mel Kitzberger both felt that a car wash would bring down the
value of their properties.
Councilman Elling asked if they would be putting pines along the sides.
Mr. Hanson stated that they would do whatever the city asks.
Councilman Orttel suggested cutting the island out so cars could leave
easier if there is no room for them. He also felt that we should really
look at a sidewalk. He also suggested taking to the east of the dri vew~y
from Bill's to Silverod and making a one way street. He felt that would
stop the traffic from stacking.
Councilman Elling asked if the storm water run off has looked at.
Dave Almgren stated that it looks like it goes to the northwest to the
county ditch.
MOTION by Lachinski, seconded by Orttel introducing a resolution approving
a Special Use Permit requested by Terry Hanson for a car wash with the
condition that a sidewalk be placed along the southerly property line,
that the tunnel car wash, Phase 2, not be approved until such time as
traffic signal lights are installed on County Road 9 and 140th Lane,
and that the island be modified to allow for turnaround in the driveway.
Also that the driveway be modified up to 10 feet from where it is to
accommodate future ingress and egress. The developer has agreed to plant
additional trees along the fence line. (k eel",·', \£)
Discussion: Councilman Orttel questioned the swale in the green area to
the east of the property. Steve Erickson noted that is to accor.\modate
water flow off the asphalt.
Vote on motion: Yes - Lachinski, Orttel; No - Windschitl, Knight, Elling
Motion fails on a 2 yes, 3 no vote.
Mayor Windschitl noted that he voted no because of the traffic. Council-
man Elling voted no because of the noise, traffic and the storm water.
Councilman Knight also felt that the traffic was the biggest concern.
Woodland Meadows Preliminary Plat -
Lawrence Carlson, developer - presented a plat with several minor changes
on it.
Planninq Commission Chairman Jacobson - noted that one thing that should
be looked at first is an east/west street. The Planning Commission looked
at Partridge Street going to the east, but felt that would be too close
to 18lst Avenue. The next possibility was 175th; however, the property
to the east is extremely low, has a lot of peat, and a lot of water. l67th
Avenue was also looked at. This street is already almost all the way to
Hanson Boulevard. The soils are more reasonable to go with this street.
Regular City Council ,,¿eting
July 15, 1986 - Minutes
Page 5
(Woodland Meadows Preliminary Plat, Cont. )
Mayor Windschitl stated that some of the thought in getting an east/west
road is getting emergency vehicles in quicker.
Mr. Jacobson felt that to go through a residential area with a major
east/west street is not very desirable. The Planning Commission was
unanimous in not requiring an east/west street.
Mayor Windschitl noted that the easement on the high line on the bottom
of the plat was one of the places to put the road. The preference was
to come out on l74th.
Councilman Orttel didn't feel it was reasonable to ask the developer to
build the street on the south side of the plat.
Mr. Carlson stated that Jim Schrantz has never said that he supports putting
that street through. He simply noted that the council had asked for an
east/west street.
Frank stone - stated that in the meetings of the Andover Review Committee,
they talked about that street going through.
Mayor Windschitl suggested that we have the plat as is, but take right of
way to the property line for a future street.
Mr. Jacobson noted that one other concern Jim had is the area for the
drainage pond in the middle of the plat. Jim said they would make sure it
is correct before the final palt is done. There are a couple of variances
required for lot definition.
Councilman Orttel felt that rather then redrawing the plat because of the
easement, we should just grant a variance for the lots because they will
be smaller than allowed.
MOTION by Elling, seconded by Knight introducing a resolution approving the
preliminary plat of Woodland Meadows with the addition of additional right
of way for 175th Lane through Lots 7 and B, Block 7 to the easterly property
line of 60 feet for future street extension. (See resolution no. R099-B6).
Motion carried unanimously.
Mr. Carlson asked if they should dedicate the street or provide an ease-
ment. Bill Hawkins, City Attorney, stated that they should dedicate the
street but not build it.
Niqhtinqale Estates 3rd Addition Preliminary Plat
Don Jacobson noted that the Planning Commission reviewed the plat, held
a public hearing at which there was no opposition. The Commission didn't
feel that an access to the south would be needed. The land just to the
east could come in with a plat and at that time, we would consider a road
to the east or to the south.
Ken Gust - stated that on the east edge of the property there could be
an easement for a road going to the south.
Regular City Council Meeting
July 15, 1986 - Minutes
Page 6
(Nightingale Estates 3rd Addn., Cont.)
It was suggested that a road to the south be provided and that the lot
lines be straightened out.
MOTION by Elling, seconded by Knight to continue the preliminary plat of
Nightingale Estates 3rd Addition to the next meeting. Motion carried.
New Generation Homes Sketch plan
Wayne Bachman, New Generation Homes was present for this item.
Mayor Windschitl stated that this property is the same as Ivywood Estates
which is across 7th Avenue. On that plat we asked for one acre lots
because of the sewer coming in. He asked if we want to have large lots
in this area or if they should be one acre lots.
Councilman Lachinski asked why we would want to have 2~ acre lots in the
MUSA area. He felt that if Council wants this to be a 2~ acre plat, it
should be taken out of the MUSA boundary.
Discussion was on whether this should be 3 lots or if it should be four
lots with it being noted that when the streets went into Lund's Round
Lake Estates this property was assessed for three lots. Also discussed
was bring 149th Avenue all the way out to 7th Avenue.
Mr. Bachman noted that they would like to move the lot line on Lot 3 to the
east to get it closer to the blacktop on the street (149th Avenue).
Council suggested changing the plat so that there would be four lots.
Hidden Creek East Sketch Plan
John Peterson, Good Value Homes - noted that this plat is the 80 acres just
to the east of Hidden Creek. There has been a lot of discussion about
133rd Avenue. The people from Coon Rapids would like to see 133rd on th
city limits except for a portion to the east where there are wetlands. He
also noted that there are a lot of trees on the property that they are
planning to preserve. They feel strongly that Osage Street no go through
to Bunker. Some of the lots in the plat will be 400 feet deep. Density is
2 units per acre. He also noted that they need to know early in the
process what the Park Board wants. On one of the proposals they have shown
a five acre park and two tot lots.
Terry Herman, Coon Rapids consultinq enqineer - stated that their proposal
is to bring Osage up from Coon Rapids and continuing it to the west.
Mayor Windschitl noted that it would have been ideal if Osage could have
gone all the way to Bunker. 133rd as an MSAH is a detriment to Andover.
John Peterson explained that if 133rd is an MSAH street, Coon Rapids would
share in the cost of building the entire roadway.
Councilman Elling asked if we want to look at sidewalks for high density
plats. Mr. Herman noted that the Coon Rapids policy says that there will
be sidewalks on both sides of a collector street.
Regular City Council eting
July 15, 1986 - Minutes
Page 7
(Hidden Creek East Sketch Plan, Cont.)
Mr. Peterson noted that they never put sidewalks in the interior of a
plat.
Richard Bassinq Special Use Permit
Don Jacobson noted that the Planning Commission held a public hearing on
this item. The area is heavily wooded and the structure would not be
visible from the street. They are recommending approval of the special
use permit.
MOTION by Knight, seconded by Elling introducing a resolution to approve
a Special Use Permit requested by Richard Bassing to construct an accessory
building prior to the construction of the principle structure (See R.lOO-86).
Motion carried unanimously.
Coon Rapids Storm Drainaqe
Mayor Windschitl asked why Jay Street is being shut off.
Terry Herman - stated that with l33rd Avenue going out to Hanson Boulevard
that will provide a better access for the industrial traffic instead of
routing it through the residential area.
Don Rinqrose - noted that Coon Rapids has a lot of sewer and water projects
going on close to Andover. In the drainage area trunk storm system will
be required. They have calculated a trunk storm sewer assessment which
will include the county park. The total cost is about $1,182 per acre. In
Coon Rapids they adjust that according to land use. There are 88 acres in
Andover of which 74 are assessable. The total cost for Andover would be
$86,000.
MOTION by Orttel, seconded by Knight introducing a resolution receiving
feasibility report and calling a public hearing on improvements of storm
drainage, Project 86-21, in the Coon Rapids/Andover/Jay Street area. Said
hearing is scheduled for July 29, 1986 at the Andover City Hall. (R.lOl-86)
Motion carried on a 4 yes, 1 absent (Elling) vote.
Hidden Creek 3rd Addition
MOTION by Orttel, seconded by Knight introducing a resolution approving the
final plat of Hidden creek 3rd Addition (See Resolution No. 103-86).
Motion carried unanimously.
MOTION by Orttel, seconded by Lachinski authorizing the City to enter into
a Development Contract with Good Value Homes on Hidden Creek 3rd Addition
and authorize the Mayor and Clerk to sign said contract.
Motion carried unanimously.
MOTION by Orttel, seconded by Knight directing staff to prepare a resolution
accepting bids on Hidden Creek 3rd Addition and awarding the contract to
the lowest bidder, S.J. Louis, and directing the Clerk to return the other
bid deposits. (See Resolution No. 102-86).
Motion carried unanimously.
Kegu~ar C~ty counc~~ 'et~ng
July 15, 1986 - Minuc ~
Page 8
Park Board
Marc McMullen - asked that Mr. Magnuson be allowed to use a triangular shaped
piece of property in Forest Meadows Park and in return he will reseed
this piece of property in September of 1987. Also, the Park Board would
like to exchange the triangular piece of property in Forest Meadows park
for the piece of property that Mr. Magnuson owns. The Park Board was not
sure how to legally do this exchange.
Mayor windschitl felt that if everyone in the development and the
developer agreed to it, then we could probably do it.
MOTION by Orttel, seconded by Elling that the Council authorize to lease
to Mr. Magnuson a parcel of property in the Forest Meadows subdivision as
shown on the drawing presented by the Park Board.
Motion carried.
Mr. McMullen then asked the Council to authorize Frank Stone to purchase
park equipment.
MOTION by Orttel, seconded by Lachinski to approve the following expenditures
for park equipment: Forest Meadows $7,089; River Forest $8,250; Lund's
Evergreen Park $5,189; Pleasant Oaks Park $1,678.
Motion carried.
At this time Ann Sikora appeared before the Council and asked where Ham
Lake received their information that was in an article in the Anoka Union
regarding Mrs. Sikora's street. She also stated that she does not want
her road improved, only maintained.
Mayor Windschitl explained that we can't do anything until we have the
proper easements.
Mrs. Sikora presented the Council with a letter from the property owners
along University Avenue, both in Andover and Ham Lake, explaining their
situation and what has occurred in the past.
Recess 11:15 - Reconvene 11:20 P.M.
Water Truck/Public Works
Frank Stone asked the Council to be allowed to advertise for bids for
a new water truck. He noted that he could obtain a 1900 gallon tank with
a few extras for $17,000 and the whole truck would be about $45,000.
MOTION by Lachinski, seconded by Orttel authorizing Frank Stone to advertise
for bids for a new water trunk tanker.
Frank Stone noted that the Fire Department would like the Andover Lions
club to have a permit for beer for the August 16th dance.
MOTION by Orttel, seconded by Knight to grant a temporary beer license for
the Andover Lions Club for a fee of $10.00 for August 16, 1986.
Motion carried unanimously.
Regular City Council _eting
July 15, 1986 - Minutes
Page 9
Mr. Stone asked if the Fire Department would need a permit to have pull
tabs at the dance.
Bill Hawkins noted that the gambling ordinance has been rescinded and a
permit is no longer required.
Dave Almgren informed the Council that Dick Kruger, the assistant building
inspector, has given his notice. Don Anderson from East Bethel is a
certified building official and he will work for us for 28 hours a week.
MOTION by Lachinski, seconded by Orttel to hire Don Anderson under the
same contract terms as the prior assistant building inspector.
Motion carried unanimously.
Councilman Elling informed the Council that there is a real problem at the
Crooked Lake Boat Landing. People are parking in the school parking lot,
which they are not to do. He felt that we should charge $5.00 for anyone
using the landing who is not an Andover resident.
Council didn't feel we should be charging as we would have to have someone
there to collect the money. It was suggested that we surface zone the
lake. Mayor Winds chit 1 suggested talking to the police and putting this
on a future agenda.
Outdoor Education, Inc.
It was noted that Councilman Knight would be attending the County Board
meeting at which time this enterprise will be discussed. He will ask them
why they are allowing a commercial tubing operation to operate out of a
county park.
Bond Sale
City Attorney Hawkins stated that there is a list of projects that we need
to fund. The bonds will be for 10 years. He also noted that we'll award
the bonds on August 19th. Bill and Jim will be meeting with Dan Hartman
to discuss our investments.
MOTION by Orttel, seconded by Elling introducing a resolution providing
for the issuance and sale of GO Bonds, 1986B Series as presented. (See
Resolution No. 104.)
Motion carried unanimously.
Salary Discussion/Council
The Mayor asked staff to find out what the Council salaries are in the
surrounding cities for the meeting on July 17th.
Amend Resolution No. RBO-B2
MOTION by Elling, seconded introducing a resolution amending Resolution NO.
R80-82, approving a Special Use Permit for used car sales and correcting
the address to read 1787 Bunker Lake Boulevard instead of 1656 Bunker.
(See Resolution No. RI05-B6)
Motion carried.
Regular city Council Meeting
July 15, 1986 - Minutes
Page 10
Approve Contract/Lake Animal Control
MOTION by Orttel, seconded by Elling to authorize the Mayor and Clerk to
enter into an agreement with Lake Animal Control.
Motion carried unanimously.
Supplemental Assessment/85-5 & 86-8
This item will be continued to the July 17, 1986 meeting.
Final Payment 85-9/Well #2
MOTION by Orttel, seconded by Lachinski introducting a resolution accept-
ing work and directing final payment to E.H. Renner & Sons for Project No.
85-9 for the improvement of well #2 construction. (See Resolution No.
l05A-86) .
Motion carried unanimously.
Waste Disposal Enqineerinq
Councilman Elling gave a report on the progress of the Waste Disposal
Engineering Site. The report won't be available for a few months yet.
He noted that they are talking about capping the landfill.
Leaque Bondinq Pool
MOTION by Orttel, seconded by Lachinski that we forward the bonding needs
analysis to the League of Minnesota Cities. Motion carried unanimously.
Tax Increment Financinq
MOTION by Orttel, seconded by Lachinski authorizing Bill Hawkins to
contact the realtor for the M.R. Olson property. Motion carried unanimously.
Approval of Claims
MOTION by Elling, seconded by Knight to approve Claims numbered 11288
through 113 71 for a total of $583,601.94. Motion carried.
MOTION by Elling, seconded by Lachinski to adjourn. Motion carried.
Meeting adjourned at 12:10 A.M.
Respectfully submitted,
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Vicki Volk
Acting Council Secretary