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HomeMy WebLinkAboutSP January 10, 1985 ~ 01 ANDOVER SPECIAL CITY COUNCIL MEETING-JANUARY 10, 1985 AGENDA 1. Call to Order - 7:30 P.M. 2. Agenda Approval 3. Joint Discussion-Cities of Andover/Ham Lake a. MSA Improvements b. 4. Water Extension 5. Coon Creek Watershed 6. Water Connection Charges/Commercial 7. 8. 9. Adjournment ~ 01 ANDOVER SPECIAL CITY COUNCIL MEETING - JANUARY 10, 1985 MINUTES A Special Meeting of the Andover City Council was called to order by Mayor Jerry Windschitl at 7:32 P.M., Thursday, January 10, 1985 at the Andover City Hall, 1685 Crosstown Boulevard N.W., Andover, Minnesota for the purpose of meeting with the Ham Lake City·Council regarding MSA improvements and other items pertaining to the City of Andover. Councilmen Present: Orttel, Lachinski, Knight, Elling Also Present: Ham Lake Councilmembers Ken Braastad, Marilyn Schultz, Jake Barthold, and Gary Steen; City Engineer, Jim Schrantz; City Building Inspector, Dave Almgren; John Davidson, T.K.D.A. Mayor Windschitl asked that MSA projects that might be a joint project with Ham Lake be discussed, such as University Avenue. He noted that some of our residents have been trying to see if there is a way of doing the southern part of the road. A joint powers agreement could be worked out where Andover would build the Southern half of University if Ham Lake would agree to build the northern half. Mayor Windschitl also suggested discussing the Watershed. Councilman Braastad stated that the only problem he sees in doing the northern part of University is the amount of peat that needs to be taken out. Also, they assess differently than the City of Andover; they assess approximately $2,SOO-$3,000 per property owner. Mayor Windschitl explained that we do not assess MSA streets unless we have to acquire the right-of-way. By doing it that way, we have gotten out of condemnation proceedings. vity Engineer Schrantz explained that from the costs of our last year's project, it would cost about $630,000 to do University, which is about $75.00 per foot. That figure includes engineering fees. The road would be 32 feet wide with concrete curb and gutter. Mayor Windschitl noted that we have switched from MSA rural section to urban section which allows us to acquire a lot less right-of-way and save trees that would normally be cut down if the road were wider. A joint powers agreement would be the best way of doing the road. Councilman Lachinski questioned whether Ham Lake needs the road to be built. He felt that maybe our city could just do the southern part. Councilman Braastad thought that would be the best way as the northern end doesn't have many people living on it where the southern part has a lot of development. Councilman Lachinski felt that if Ham Lake has some MSA funds, perhaps they could help with the southern end. Councilman Braastad didn't think they had any funds to work with. Councilman Orttel stated that 90% of the traffic leaving the city on that part of town goes south and suggested that maybe we could do only the southern SOO feet (from 146th Lane south). Mayor Windschitl noted that the County is going to bring Constance Boulevard across and asked if University could be tied into it. Dave Almgren noted that we are about 600 feet short. The Mayor suggested that the Ham Lake Road Committee review University Avenue to see how they might want to do it or if they don't want to do anything at all. Andover is trying to find the most reasonable way to get the road built. The time frame is not critical 'xcept for the southern part. Councilmember Marilyn Schultz asked if Andover is going to do the south end now, would they like a time frame on when Ham Lake will do the northern part. Mayor Windschitl stated yes. Special City Council Meeting January 10, 1985 - Minutes Page 2 uncilman Barthold noted that if they knew what the costs would be, it would be easier to "~ke a decision. Councilman Braastad asked how much a feasibil ity study would cost. Mr. Schrantz noted it would be $J,OOO.OO. Mayor Windschitl mentioned the County Task Force proposal on county roads, noting that we could end up with the maintenance of some of the roads. Councilman Braastad asked if Andover has all of the right-of-way on the north end of University. Mayor Windschitl stated we do not and suggested that someone write to the Sikora's and tell them we won't do any maintenance until we get the right-of-way. WATERSHED DISTRICT Mayor Windschitl noted that with the proposed way of assessing, the developed areas are paying about half of what the proposal is for the undeveloped areas. The Watershed did, come back with a proposal that would cut the assessment in half. New developments would pay 60% of the costs and old ones would pay 40%. The Mayor noted that Andover has refused to sign a joint powers agreement. He also noted that in Blaine, 27% of their population lives in trailers and they will be paying only a nominal fee which he didn't feel is fair to our residents. Councilman Elling stated that Andover asked the Watershed Board for a written policy on assessment rates and they sent us a hand written page. Mayor Windschitl also noted that when the Watershed came out with their cleanout project, they only included Coon Creek (the main channel). When they got to Andover, we ended up with the -~ople having very large assessments. The proposal now in Andover is to pull in Ditch 37, J and one other smaller ditch so they cover the whole drainage district. One concern we have is the half mile of the landfill. We don't want them in the landfill property because there are studies going on in their. In Blain~ the engineers went out and marked a number of trees that were to be cut down and the Blaine Citizens committee went out worked on it and 80% of the trees scheduled to be cut down were saved. PARKS/ATHLETIC ASSOCIATIONS Mayor Windschitl noted that some residents of Andover have started what is called the Andover Athletic Association. They are trying to get started in some sports that other associations are now running, such as hockey, softball, basketball and soccer. The city plans to develop the City Hall site with b/o soccer fields, 3 ball fields, 2 hockey rinks and two tennis courts. It should be finished next summer. He also noted that we have been trying to develop some of the other parks in the city where the density is. Councilman Barthold asked where the money came from to develop the City Hall site. Mayor Windschitl noted it came from the general fund. SHERIFF'S DEPARTMENT Councilman Elling asked what Ham Lake is planning to do. Councilman Barthold felt that they haven't had any problems and that they are well covered. They have 16 hours of coverage with one car. Mayor Windschitl noted that our city didn't feel it was appropriate for our car to go to 1st Bethel on calls for bar fights. However, that problem is under control now. He explained that we have put a second car on at night from 9:00 to 5:00. One of the reasons for the second car was that some of our businesses were complaining that there wasn't enough coverage. Special City Council Meeting January 10, 1985 - Minutes Page 3 Juncilman Barthold noted that their main road is covered by the Highway Patrol and they didn't see any other problems arising in the near future. The Mayor thanked the Ham Lake Council members for attending the meeting and suggested that they meet at least once a year to discuss different items. Recess g:OO - Reconvene 9:10 SHERIFF'S DEPARTMENT, CONT. Sgt. Smolich noted that the Sheriff's office is concerned that the contract has not been signed. Apparently one of the problems is that the Andover car has left the city on other ca 11 s. However, the contract is that the car is in your area. It is only called out in an extreme emergency. When the Andover car is called out of the city, the sergeant comes out to Andover from the office or one of the rovers comes to the city. With two cars on, one car will be in the city at all times. The only time they would both be out of the city at the same time would be when an officer is in trouble. Councilman Elling asked if they normally respond to a domestic with two cars or one. Sgt. Smolich stated that they like to have two cars responding but it depends on what the domestic is about. He also noted that it is the sergeant's responsibility to keep one car in the area. When he is on duty, he will make sure that there is a car in Andover. Mayor Windschitl noted that one thing on the Sheriff's Department report that bothers him is serving warrants. Sgt. Smolich explained that the Ham Lake car was probably serving a rrant and asked the Andover car to back him up. The Andover car should not be serving ..arrants in Ham Lake, only in Andover. Councilman Knight stated that one of the things the city is interested in is the deputies attending neighborhood meetings. He asked Sergeant Smolich if they have had any feedback on that. Sgt. Smolich noted that the deputies want to attend the meetings. If a time is scheduled for a meeting, he will make sure that there is a car in the city to cover the officer who is at the meeting. Councilman Lachinski noted that they met with the junkyard owners and they indicated that a week never goes by without a burglary. They would like to see more patrol in that part of the city. Councilman Knight also noted that we have a big traffic problem on Round Lake Boulevard from the lake south. The Mayor stated that the Sheriff's Department contract will be on the January 15th agenda for approval. WATER EXTENS ION The Mayor noted that because of Lary Carlson's proposed plat, we need to do something. A new well could be installed or we could build a water tower. Good Value Homes is also planning to develop their property south of Bunker Lake Boulevard. '~hn Davidson noted that he spoke to Curt Adams from Lary Carlson's office and the first phase .. the development will be 15 acres off of Bunker Lake Soul evard. He also noted that when they did the first study, they took in 500 acres. The area was reduced back to about 400 acres of assessable land. The connection charges and area charges were based on two wells, an elevated storage tank and a water discharge system in that area. He noted that they have Special City Council Meeting January 10, 1985 - Minutes Page 4 ,so done studies into the well advisory area. Knowing that the Carlson project is imminent, they talked about the west area being the first phase and expanding that when Good Value comes in. They seem to be planning on developing in three to five years now instead of next year. Councilman Lachinski asked what size tank TKDA is recommending. Mr. Davidson stated it should be 500,000 gallons. He noted that if you have total saturation in the 500 acre area, you would need Ii million gallons of water. Councilman Lachinski asked haw many more connections we can take before we need another tank. Mr. Davidson noted that there could be 265 more. Mayor Windschitl noted that he met with two attorneys who are handling the New Brighton law- suit. They would like to come out and explain what they think of our situation with the South Andover site. The Mayor noted that he specifically addressed the Good Value piece of property with them. They had stated that if the water line has to be brought by a contaminated area, it would be free to the property owners. Councilman Lachinski expressed a desire to talk to these attorneys to make sure we are taking the proper steps. He also noted that he is willing to let the residents put the water system in. He didn't feel we should ignore Red Oaks and Northwoods at this time. Mr. Lachinski also felt that Red Oaks and Northwoods would be in with petitions for water within the next few months. Councilman Knight asked where the tank would be placed. Mr. Davidson stated it will be in the northeast corner of Northglen. He noted that the 500 acres would require 2 wells and a tank. ~ouncilman Orttel asked if two 500,000 gallon tanks would be the same price as one 1,000,000 gallon tank. Mr. Davidson said the cost would be the same but the maintenance on two tanks would be greater than on one. Mayor Windschitl noted that Good Value is more optomistic about developing now because the interest rates have been dropping. We need to have an answer from them as to whether they are going to develop this year. He noted that we could put a 750,000 gallon tank at Crosstown and bring the piping down to Green's property and let the whole area develop. Councilman Lachinski asked how many units we expect to develop this summer. The Mayor noted that if Northglen 2nd, Kadlec 2nd and Rosella's Addition are all built up, we will have no capacity left. Mr. Lachinski stated that he doesn't want to start on anything until we have a development contract. The Mayor asked if everyone is in agreement that a tank needs to be in Northglen Park. Councilman Lachinski couldn't see doing anything until we know that the Carlson property is really going to develop. He is concerned because the water system is not paying for itself now. If Lary only puts in 120 units, the tower will not pay for itself. Councilman Elling felt we should have a letter of intent from Mr. Carlson. Mr. Davidson was requested to do a cash flow financial report on a tower. The report is to include estimated costs for different tank sizes and an overall cash report that goes back to the beginning. ~3ve Almgren noted that the County is planning to move their highway operations into Andover ~ut they need to have sanitary sewer. Special City Council Meeting January 10, 1985 - Minutes Page 5 ..JTION by Orttel, seconded by Lachinski to adjourn. Motion carried unanimously. Meeting adjourned at 11:00 P.M. Respectfully submitted, ~~ Vicki Volk Acting Recording Secretary