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~ 01 ANDOVER
REGULAR CITY COUNCIL MEETING - MARCH 15, 1983
AGENDA
1. Call to Order - 7:30 P.M.
2. Resident Forum
3. Agenda Approval
4. Discussion Items
a. Variance/Smith Builders
b. Sketch Plan/Northglen II
c. Feasibility Study/Northglen II
d. Sketch Plan/R. Roth
e. Landfill Discussion
f. Community Development Block Grant
g. Sketch Plan/Sonsteby
5. Non-Discussion Items
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b.
6. Reports of Commissions, Committees, Staff
7. Approval of Minutes
8. Approval of Claims
9. Adjournment
CITY 01 ANDOVER
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TO: MAYOR AND COUNCIL
COPIES TO: ATTORNEY STAFF
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FROM: CITY CLERK/A. AD M':.
DATE: MARCH 10, 1983
REFERENCE: AGENDA INFORMATION - MARCH 15 REGULAR MEETING
Item NO. 3 - Agenda Approval
Please add Item No. 4e (Landfill Discussion) and Item No. 4f (Community
Development Block Grant. Neither one of these items were on the published
agenda.
Item No. 4a - Variance/Smith Builders
A variance is being requested from the provisions of Ordinance 8 (Width) .
The existing parcel on Crosstown Boulevard contains 6+ acres and is
approximately 280' wide across the back, however, is only 120' along
the street. Because of the size of the abutting properties it is not
possible for him to purchase additional land to increase the width of
his property. Planning and Zoning has recommended approval of the
request. A resolution will be prepared, 4ncluding the recommendation;
and I have included a contingency that the home be constructed within
the boundaries of the lot which are 280' wide.
Item No. 4b - Sketch Plan/Northglen II
Enclosed please find a preliminary sketch plan covering the Northglen II
area. You will note this does not include the "Handll property as
referenced in the correspondence from Good Value Homes, Inc. We are
attempting to contact them to request a sketch so the two areas can
be considered at the same time. The Northglen II plan is quite similar
to the one previously submitted, however, the lots have been adjusted
to be in compliance with the 80'/11,400.
Item No. 4c - Feasibility Study/Northglen II
Upon conceptual approval of Item 4b, a request is being made to the
Council for authorization for a Feasibility Study. Good Value Homes,Inc.
have $1,000 in escrow to cover their portion of the Study. If the two
area are going to be done by individual developers, an additional
$1,000 deposit will be required from Mr. Hand. A resolution will be
prepared.
, Agenda Information
\ March 15, 1983
Page 2
Item No. 4d - R.Roth/Sketch Plan
Mr. Roth is considering developing the property to the south of the
landfill on Hanson Boulevard. This is commercial property. He will
be bringing a preliminary sketch to the meeting and wanted to discuss
the plans and the uses with the Council.
Item No. 4e - Landfill Discussion
A meeting was held at City Hall on Wednesday, March 9. PCA personnel
met with the staff to discuss the proposed action/co-operative
agreements, water contingency plans, etc.; all of which are a part
of securing funding from the EPA to remedy the situation at the
landfill. Time frames were discussed, and it appears the very earliest
date for remedial action to begin would be early 1984. I did question
them on time periods involved if the City or County were to proceed
on their own (should some other funding become available). Briefly,
with all the permits required for l)removing the pit contents and
either storing them above ground or shipping them to the appropriate
state for disposal and 2) hearings, etc., the early spring, 1984
date would be moved back to late 1983 (a time savings of perhaps
2-3 months, with a very minimum possibility of reimbursement for
the monies expended). MPCA was asked to prepare a letter covering
the above permits, times, hearings, etc., however, we have not yet
received it.
Item No. 4f - Community Development Block Grant
The City of Andover has been allocated approximately $60,000 for the
1983 Funding Year. Inasmuch as it is uncertain as to whether there
will be such funding available in 1984, it will not be possible to
carry the allocation over to 1984. The uses for the funding are very
limited, i.e., they must 1) serve the low income (under $15,000 for
a family of 4), 2)remove slums and blight" or 3)meet an interim
emergency need. I have talked ~them about several uses previously
mentioned by the Council and the only two possiblities were the
well study (emergency) or upgrading some low lots in the Nordeen
Addition and selling them to low income people for home construction.
The money could be used for urban renewal for rental units to low-
income, however, $60,000 would not do much. A decision has to
be made quite soon.
Item No. 4q - Sonsteby Sketch Plan
Through an over-sight, this item was not placed on a Council Agenda
for conceptual approval prior to submission to the Planning and
Zoning Commission, therefore, it has already been addressed by the
Commission. Recommendations should be made by the Council prior to
Mrs. Sonsteby's preparation of the Preliminary.
Item No. 6 - Reports of Committees
No material has been received.
Item No. 7 - Approval of Minutes
March 1, 1983.
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~ 01 ANDOVER
REGULAR CITY COUNCIL MEETING - MARCH 15, 1983
mNUTES
The Regular Bi-Monthly Meeting of the Andover City Council was called to order by
Mayor Jerry Windschitl on March 15, 1983, 7:30 p.m., at the Andover City Hall, 1685
Crosstown Boulevard NW, Anoka, Minnesota.
Councilmen present: Elling, Knight, Lachinski
Councilman absent: Ortte 1
Also present: City Attorney, William G. Hawkins; City Engineer, James
Schrantz; City Clerk/A. Administrator, P. K. Lindquist;
and others
RESIDENT FORUM
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Diane Miller, l38th - stated the residents would like to have son~thing done with
the pond on l38th and Crosstown. This weekend a 2\-year-old boy fell in the water
and died. She tried to bring him back to life. She stated she has a petition from
the residents that it be fenced or taken care of. Mayor Windschitl explained
the location, reviewed a map showing the property lines in that area, and noted that
beyond the property line of the duplexes on l38th and that of Mr. Conroy along Crosstown,
it is City property. The Mayor stated in looking for a solution to that situation,
the one possibility is to have the four property owners along 138th fill in to their
property line to force the water back to the pond and to City property. Discussion
was on speculation as to how much fill would be required,the cost, etc.
Julie Winerud (1) - asked if it were filled in, would there still be standing water
by the slx-plex. There is water standing all around those areas when it rains.
Mayor Windschitl stated that area could also be looked into.
Mike Miller - stated it is deeper beyond the property line than it is at the duplexes,
and he felt that would create a problem. Mayor Windschitl stated the logic for filling
in behind the duplexes was to remove the proximity of the water from the duplexes.
He felt the City Engineer would have to look at the situation to see if there is a way
of distributing the water. Discussion was also on which way the overflow across
Crosstown Boulevard runs and how the filling would affect that.
Ken Jendra - stated he is the owner of the third duplex from Crosstown. He felt it
would take a lot of fill. He also stated that the most water is in the spring. During
the summer it is very low and has dried up. During further discussion it was
suggested the County be contacted to see if they would have excess fill from some road
project that could be used.
It was agreed to contact the four property owners affected and to put this item on the
April 5 Council Agenda.
AGENDA APPROVAL
Mayor Windschitl suggested the following additions to the Agenda: Item 4e, Landfill
Discussion; Item 4f, Community Development Block Grant Funds; Item 4g, Sketch Plan/
Sonsteby; and Item 4h, MTC Discussion.
MOTION by Elling, Seconded by Knight, that we approve the Agenda as amended. Motion
carr1ed unanimously.
MOTION by Elling, Seconded by Lachinski, to suspend the rules. Motion carried
unanimously.
VARIANCE/SMITH BUILDERS
Planning Commission Chairperson d'Arcy Bosell reviewed the Commission's recommendation
to approve a variance request by D. A. Smith Builders, Plat 65913, Parcel 6230, to
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Regular City Council Meeting
March 15, 19S3 - Minutes
Page 2
(Variance/Smith Builders, Continued)
allow them to build a single family residence. The lot does not have the 300 feet of
frontage as required in Ordinance 8C, Section 6.02. She agreed with the recommendation
of the City Clerk that the resolution be contingent upon the house being constructed
within the boundaries of the lot which are 280 feet wide, stating that is the plan of
the builders.
Discussion was on the reason for requiring the building to be set back 525 feet.
Chairman Bosell stated the Planning Commission did not give that direction. The Clerk
stated because of the location of the two existing homes, there was a question of
separation between septic systems and wells. It was the Attorney's opinion that the
separation issue is under the authority of the Building Inspector and that the variance
doesn't govern the placement of the house. It was agreed by the Council to delete that
portion from the proposed Resolution.
MOTION by Elling, Seconded by Knight, to introduce a Resolution for approving the
Variance request on lot width by D. A. Smith Builders for property described as
Parcel 6230, Plat 65913, and omitting the last paragraph of that Resolution requiring
the applicant to construct his structure a minimum of 525 feet from the right of way.
(See Resolution R016-83) Motion carried unanimously.
SKETCH PLAN/FEASIBILITY STUDY - NORTHGLEN II
Mayor Windschitl stated Good Value Homes has made some arrangement with the owner of
the property to the south of them known as the Hand property. He and Mr. Schrantz
have met with representatives of the development, and the developers have asked that
Mr. Schrantz and TKDA do an analysis of serving the Hand property with sanitary sewer,
agreeing that those hours would be reimbursed.
John Peterson, Good Value Homes - stated the development of this piece of property has
been troublesome, noting the three major problems: the proposed realignment of County
Highway 116 through the property, the park location, and how to serve the Hand property
with sanitary sewer, particularly on the west end.
John Uban, Howard Dahlåren Associates - reviewed two sketch plans - one for developing
the Good Value and Han propert1es together assuming all of the Hand property can be
sewered and the other plan for developing just the Good Value property. The proposal
in both plans is for single-family housing, SO-foot minimum frontage, averaging 12,000
to 14,000 square feet per lot, with 10 percent park dedication in the northwest corner
of the Good Value property. He also explained the design around the probable taking of
right of way for County Highway 116 involving a triangular-shaped area on the western
boundary, so the remainder of the plat would not have to change regardless of what the
County ultimately decides.
Mr. Uban explained the second problem is being able to sewer the western lots on the
Hand property, explaining the sewer lines are not deep enough to run that far. He
stated the alternatives are to run very shallow sewer lines and insulate them or to
install a lift station, which needs to be a City decision. If the City would not agree
to the lift station, then their alternative would be either to not develop that property
with Good Value's or to alter the plan by moving the park into the hard-to-service area
on the Hand property. Mr. Uban stated the last alternative would dimish the value of
the Hand property but retains the ability to develop a handful of lots. They do not
know if Mr. Hand would be agreeable to that alternative. But it would be an attractive
park area with the storm sewer easement area adjoining it.
DeWayne Olson of DeWayne Olson Engineering - stated he did not have the soils reports
for the area. From what he got from the engineering on the job, the water table varies
between 863 and 867, and they were working with an 868 design water table when proposing
the quads to the north. He also did not have the flood elevations for that area.
Regular City Council Meeting
March 15, 1983 - Minutes
Page 3
(Sketch Plan/Feasibility Study - Northglen II, Continued)
That and the water table would dictate the house pad:· elevations. Because of the
irregularity of the topography on the Hand property, they know they will have to do
a lot of grading work and filling. The three options they see for sewer to that area
would be insulating shallow sewer lines, a lift station, or bringing sewer in from
Anoka for this western fringe. If the park were to be located on the Hand property,
the work that would have to be done for the sewer could be minimized. He stated all
of the Good Value property can be served by gravity.
Discussion was on the row of double-frontage lots on the western edge of the Good Value
property along Round Lake Boulevard, as the ordinance does not allow double-frontage
lots. The advantages and disadvantages were discussed of putting in a frontage road
along there or of using more cul de sacs to reduce the number of double~frontage lots.
Mr. Uban stated they could do some landscaping and birming along the backs of those
lots rather than putting in a frontage road, and the homes could then face an interior
residential street. He gave several arguments against frontage roads. Chairman Bosell
noted the ordinance does allow double-frontage lots by adding another ten feet to the
back yard for screening and buffering. It was agreed by the Council that the item
would be discussed further at the Planning Commission level. Later in the meeting this
was discussed again. Mayor Windschitl did not like double-frontage lots, feeling it
could be minimized by cul de sacs or possibly screening. They should be required to
meet the ordinances. Councilman Elling preferred cul de sacs to a frontage road and was
concerned about the east-west street carrying a lot of high-volume traffic when County
Road 116 is put in. Mr. Schrantz stated in redesiging the streets for that purpose,
the entrance off Round Lake Bouelvard should remain at the intersection shown. Councilman
Knight had a feeling about looking at the back of lots but felt an additional ten feet
with screening or redesign with cul de sacs would be acceptable. Councilman Lachinski
agreed, not caring for frontage roads.
Discussion was then on some specific lots as to meeting the elevation levels and lot
dimension requirements and on the platting of low lots. Mr. Schrantz noted the problem
cities often have to do maintenance on easements when the property is privately owned.
Or does the City want to be responsible and have fee title to that low land, referring
specifically to the ponding area in the north-central portion of the Good Value
property. Mayor Windschitl stated the City could accept the property as open space,
easement, etc., but it should not be accepted as part of the park dedication. Mr.
Peterson stated they would prefer not to plat that low area as shown in the sketch
plan but to work something out with the City.
When discussing the proposed park area in the northwestern portion of the plat, Mr.
Uban stated the past proposals were to bring that area up above the flood plain.---
~lso explained the proposal takes into consideration the County Highway 116 problem.
If that should go through, the park land lying east of the road would come to 10 percent
of the land actually platted, that is less the triangular-shaped piece of property that
would be taken out for that road. Mr. Peterson asked if it is legally required to
bring the park up to the 100-year-flood plain, explaining the savings to them if the
50-year-flood plain could be used instead. And the City would still have use of the
park at that elevation. Council discussion was that it is not a legal matter but one
of Council policy, that the City has taken the position of not accepting park land unless
it is usable, that a plan was done previously for a park in this area to bring it above
the 100-year flood plain level, and that that has been the point of reference used by
the City in the past.
Mayor Windschitl was concerned with platting lots in the western portion of the Hand
property where the lots are into the City's easement. He felt there would be a
significant amount of standing water on the back of those lots, which could then create
some problems. Mr. Uban stated the City owns the ability to store water over that
Regular City Council Meeting
March 15, 1983 - Minutes
Page 4
(Sketch Plan/Feasibility Study - Northglen II, Continued)
easement, but they have the right to plat that lot and provide ownership of the land
under the easement. Mr. Olson stated the lines shown were squared off purely for
ease of discription. It 1S his understanding that a more detailed line on the periphery
of that pond that fits the contours would be dedicated along with the plat. The
easement line as shown would be vacated at the time of the plat. He stated the entire
lot would be above the flood elevation on all of those lots. Mr. Uban stated their
intent is also to donate the easement area as an outlot to the C1ty so the City would
then own fee title to that area.
Discussion was then on the flood plain elevations in that area. Mr. Olson stated the
aerial topography shows the flood plain at 866 in that area. Mr. Schrantz stated the
870 elevation is what is generally used for Round Lake. Mr. Uban stated by surveying
and documentation, the high water level will have to be determlned in that area and
they will be grading and changing the topography there.
It was again brought up that by placing the park in this area (western portion of the
Hand property), it would simplify the sewer problem and would also provide a nice
area for a park. Mr. Uban stated they did not have any drawings on that proposal because
it was only something they discussed this evening. Discussion was the property is
quite heavily wooded with oaks and is rolling land. Council generally had favorable
comments for a park in that area, but it was felt it should go through the Park Board
first for their comments and recommendation. Mr. Peterson favored the park in this
area in light of all the problems with serving thlS area with sanitary sewer. They are
on the Park Board Agenda for Thursday evening. He stated they have abandoned the idea
of working with Ms. Sonsteby for a park off the lake.
Mayor Windschitl asked if the Council would like to see a commercial or neighborhood
business zoning in the southern portion of the Hand property, as Mr. Hand had indicated
that possibility at one time. Council generally had no opinion, feeling it was up
to the property owner to make that decision and apply for it if he so desires.
It was asked if Good Value looked at developing the triangular-shaped piece in the
southwestern corner if County Road 116 were put through there. Mr. Peterson stated
they don't see it as being usable, stating the value would be substantially decreased
by putting in the road. He didn't know what it could be used for. They would be
losing 7 acres or 22 lots. Mr. Uban stated the County will be depressing that road,
which makes it nearly impossible to get utilities across that road and serve that portion.
Those lots would then have to be served by the City of Anoka, which is not worth the
hassle for a few lots. Mayor Windschitl suggested the County be asked to bring the road
as close as possible to the western boundary of the property, realizing it would mean
a change in the alignment at the northern end to stay within the proper road design.
He noted the location of the road as proposed also removes a substantial amount of
potential tax base for the City. He also suggested the possibility of Good Value donating
the easement along the western boundary and work with the County to get the road there
rather than running through the property. It was suggested that Mr. Schrantz meet with
the County engineers to see what can be worked out in this situation.
Discussion returned to the question of whether or not the City would be willing to put
in a lift station to service the western portion of the Hand property. The general
consensus was not to put in a lift station, preferring to work with a park in that
area of the development.
Mr. Peterson stated a decision will be made tomorrow as to whether or not this will be
a joint venture with Mr. Hand. He asked that the feasibility report be ordered this
evening but that the engineers not start until they have paid the $1,000 deposit, which
will be after they have finished their negotiations with Mr. Hand.
Regular City Council Meeting
March 15, 1983 - Minutes
Page 5
(Sketch Plan/Feasibility Study - Northglen II, Continued)
MOTION by Lachinski, Seconded by Elling, authorizing the feasibility study (for sanitary
sewer and municipal water) for Good Value Homes and Hand Construction as requested
by the City Engineer contingent upon the deposit of $1,000 with the City by the
developer. (See Resolution R017-83) Motion carried unanimously.
Rosella Sonsteby - asked where the storm water for the plat is going to go, stating
she will be watching this very closely. Mr. Olson stated all drainage will be dealt
with ·on the preliminary plat after they have a workable sketch plan. Essentially the
same tributary area as was dealt with in previous sketch plans will be tributary to
the ponding area isolated on the property of Good Value, with the bulk of it going to
the south, to which it is contributary at this time. There is nothing that would be
going north of their property within the 100-year storm frequency.
Recess at 9:13; reconvene at 9:30 p.m.
SKETCH PLAN/R. ROTH
Ron Roth explained a proposal for the property to the south of the landfill under the
ownersh1p of Melvin Roth. He introduced Jack Penzimes and Mr. Gillespie involved with
the Forty-Niner Apprenticeship Training Program, who have an interest in some develop-
ment on the two 40s just west of Hanson Bouelvard. He had a simple sketch plan of the
three 40-acre parcels. The parcel adjoining Hanson Boulevard has a commercial zoning
(Parcell) and the next 40-acre parcel (Parcel 2) has an R-4 zoning and is completely
wooded. The immediate development would be on Parcell.
Mr. Penzimes - stated they have had an apprenticeship program on the University of
Minnesota property in Rosemount for above five years, and they have been renting that
property. It is a training and retraining program for operators that are present
members of the union and also for new apprenticeship training. They like to train
about 20 new apprentices a year and retrain from 50 to 200 of their present operators
in the skills of upgrading themselves. At the present time they have approximately 20
piece of heavy equipment consisting of scrapers, dozers, crains, hydraulic backhoes,
etc. The soil in this area is ideal for them to work all the time; there is a tree
buffer on the west and landfill buffer zone on the north. The school is presently in
operation about nine months a year; but if they purchased this land, they would try to
keep it in operation 12 months a year with school room study and no equipment time in
the winter. They would like to build two buildings on Parcell immediately -- one for
equipment storage and maintenance, approxiamtely 40xlOO feet, and the other to be used
as an office and classroom combination, with possible other buildings in the future.
Council discussion with these gentlemen was on the City's capital improvement plan to
install sanitary sewer and possibly municipal water within the next five years or as
development warrants it, noting the approved Capital Improvement Plan, trunk line
location and costs, and the proposed municipal water feasibility study for the area.
Discussion was also on the noise generated from the use of the equipment. Mr. Penzimes
stated two to five pieces of equipment are generally used at one time. Their normal
operating houns are from 8 to 4:30 and the equipment is run between g and 3 o'clock
with no weekend activity. From his experience and the setting of this parcel, he
didn't feel this would create a noise problem for the residents because the noise will
actually go up in this case.
Council suggested Parcel 2 may have to be zoned something other than R-4 to protect
the existing residents from the noise factor. Mr. Roth stated he didn't think that
was a point of contention. He explained Parcel 1 is quite remote, noting the noise
from the equipment in the landfill is 30 to 35 feet above this area. The information
from the costs and timetable of the sanitary sewer is information they would like to
have to study further. The road assessment does not seem to be a factor to them now.
Regular City Council Meeting
March 15, 1983 - Minutes
Page 6
(Sketch Plan/R. Roth, Continued)
Mr. Roth was asked what the final use of the landfill will be. Mr. Roth responded by
saying the Forty-Niner Apprenticeship Program is the most agressìve, and there is
interest from the other trades to develop a central area for apprenticeship programs,
which would be additional development on the property. It is anticipated that this
will be graded in the near future for the type of zoning permitted there. He didn't
know that it would be a problem whatever the ultimate use of the landfill will be, even
assuming it will be a recreational-type use. He is now trying to get the Council's
feeling as to whether or not to proceed with this idea for these parcels.
Discussion returned to the issue of utilities. Mr. Roth asked when the sanitary
sewer will be run down Bunker Lake Boulevard and up Hanson Boulevard. Mr. Schrantz
stated when there is a need. Mr. Roth felt that the use proposed for these parcels
is not intense and that there would be no need to bring it in for this. The Mayor
stated they should not lose sight of the water question, that municipal water will be
necessary if the wells are contaminated.
The Mayor also stated if this proceeds to the public hearing stage, some serious
thought should be given to protecting the residents in Red Oaks from the noise, feeling
that will be a major issue because 1300 feet of trees will not take care of that
problem. Councilman Elling asked if mufflers could be used on the equipment to reduce
the noise. Mr. Penzimes stated that was not possible without curbing the efficiency
of the equipment.
There was some discussion on the uses of Parcel 2, feeling it would not be feasible to
develop it as residential if this use was allowed on Parcell. The parcel itself
would be a nice piece to develop residential; however, the surrounding property is
less than desirable. No conclusions were reached as to the ultimate use of Parcel 2.
The general consensus of the Council about the proposal was that the residents would
protest the noise factor of this use. Mayor Windschitl advised if they want to proceed
with the proposal, they would need to work with the staff and have public hearings
held on the Planning Commission level.
Merlhn Prochniak - felt there will be some strong objections from the residents because
of t e landt1ll situation with Mr. Roth.
Terry Kreu1er, Red Oaks - resented these gentlemen making hypotentical comments on the
noise leve while looking at a map. He stated he can hear automobile traffic on Hanson
Boulevard from his yard now. So they are fooling themselves if they think the noise
from this equipment will not be heard in Red Oaks. He stated they will have a fight
if they try to put it in.
LANDFILL DISCUSSION
Mayor Windschitl stated he and the City staff met with the PCA, and he explained the
PCA staff is looking at getting approval by the PCA Board on the 22nd to begin the
process to get EPA funding. There would then be a three-month study on the landfill
itself, trying to segregate the difference from what the hazardous waste is contribut-
ing to the problem versus what the landfill iÞ contributing, something he didn't agree
with. He felt that the results are going to show that both are contributing to the
problem, and he didn't know how it could be separated out. They are also addressing
some potential liability problem they think they might have with the EPA in regard to
it. The three-month study would be a ground-water movement study and contamination
analysis to try to establish the segregation, some well testing, etc. As this process
is being done, it will have to be approved by EPA in Chicago, where no problems are
anticipated, and then to Washington, D.C., where they think it will take two to four
months before it is acted upon. It appears that it will not be before May, 1984, before
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March 15, 1983 - Minutes
Page 7
(Landfill Discussion, Continued)
the barrels would physically be removed from the pit. The Attorney for the County
has suggested tying everything together so that once the evidence is available, they
could just amend the process rather than going through the process twice.
The Clerk stated the first request will be for the three-month study and the amendment
would be to allow them to do a 12-month study, emphasizing the biggest delay would be
in Washington, which is strictly political. Many things are being done at the same
time so that once one study is completed, the other amendment can come in.
Councilman Elling reported he and Mr. Schrantz met with Dick Koppy, the City Engineer
for St. Louis Park. Mr. Koppy stated they took the same approach Andover is taking,
not to do anything but let the PCA and EPA take care of their hazardous waste problem.
But it has been about a three-year process, and they have just received their money
for the cleanup. Mr. Koppy suggested whatever time frame the PCA states, that it be
doubled before it actually takes place; so Councilman Elling stated he would be some-
what skeptical of seeing something done by next May. Mr. Koppy told them they finally
got to the point of taking things into their own hands to get things done when no one
else was doing anything; however, they have the tax base to work from and a way of
generating some revenue for the cleanup, and Andover doesn't. Another thing Mr. Koppy
mentioned is that St. Louis Park had an existing municipal water system, and EPA has
paid for their water treatment facilities to clean out their wells, which might give
Andover some ammunition if a municipal water system would be needed as a result of
contaminated wells. Mr. Koppy told them if St. Louis Park were to do it allover
again, they would do it on their own and not wait for otherstßsolve the problem.
Discussion was on what the next step should be for the City. Mr. Schrantz stated at
the present time there is a deliberate plan to get the EPA funding for the removal
of the barrels from the hazardous waste pit, but the only problem with that is the
timing. Councilman Lachinski suggested the City and County come up with a plan to get
the barrels above the ground so everything is ready to go as soon as the funds are
available. Councilman Elling noted that St. Louis Park has spent almost $1.75 million
in engineering studies to date on their hazardous waste problem.
Council agreed to hold a special meeting either March 29 or 30 inviting representatives
from the MPCA, Anoka County (Bob Hutchinson, Mr. Steiner, Colleen Herman, Commissioner
Haas) plus interested residents to discuss the procedure, timing, etc., on this
matter. The Clerk will arrange the meeting for the most convenient time for the others.
MOTION by Elling, Seconded by Lachinski, that we set a Special Council Meeting, date to
be determined, dealing with the hazardous waste problem and inviting the necessary
parties, County and PCA. Motion carried unanimously. Discussion with several
residents in the audience was that the notice for this meeting will be placed in the
March 25 Anoka Union and that the PCA will be talking about action against Melron at
their April meeting.
MOTION by Elling, Seconded by Knight, that we set a meeting of the Hazardous Waste
tõmmittee for the 22nd (of March) starting at 7:30. Motion carried unanimously.
SKETCH PLAN/SONSTEBY
.Rosella Sonsteby - stated she is wanting to plat off five lots off Xenia Street in
Aud1tor's Sub. 82. The sewer stubs are in. She is showing 13.7 acres of park, which
is more than what is required for this plat; but she is wanting to use part of it for
her other development to the south of Auditor's Sub. 82. She explained there is 10
feet of land that will be deeded to the Johanson property, and the one long lot to the
lake is about the only way it can be laid out. It would make a nice big lot, is
wooded, and has access to the lake.
Regular City Council Meeting
March 15, 1983 - Minutes
Page 8
(Sketch Plan/Sonsteby, Continued)
Council generally had no problem with the proposal, explaining the procedure of
dedicating the parkland would be to dedicate the appropriàte acreage beginning right
behind this plat, with the idea that the park would be added to as her other property
is developed. She was asked if she intends to go ahead with the development of the
proposed Rosella's Addition.
Ms. Sonsteby - stated she does intend to go ahead with that plat and would like to do
the two together, but she has been told she needs to deposit $1,000 for another
feasibility study. She would like to waive that and get started on it right away.
Mr. Schrantz stated that is an escrow to prepare the feasibility report for water and
whatever sanitary sewer remains to be done. When the project proceeds, that $1,000 is
credited toward the costs. Because work on this plat has been done before, Mayor
Windschitl didn't feel that much would be needed in this instance. TKDA can provide
a more specific figure 0~d~~še8osts to do the feasibility for water and the remaining
sanitary sewer. He also Ms. Sonsteby that she can waive the 429 procedure by
doing so in writing if she so desires, whièh will save time.
Mayor Windschitl asked for a motion to amend the Resolution to require Ms. Sonsteby to
deposit the corrected amount for the cost of the feasibility study needed, up to $1,000.
MOTION by Elling, Seconded by Knight, to so move. Motion carried unanimously.
Mr. Schrantz noted one of the lots is smaller than 11,400 square feet and will have to
be made larger. Mr. Schrantz asked the Council's policy in this park dedication as to
how land below 870 feet would be considered, noting the land gets lower down to the
lake. Mayor Windschitl stated whatever is submitted in the plat form must be 10
percent of that above the 870 elevation. Council stated they would accept the lowland
down· to the lake but it wouldn't be counted as part of the 10 percent park dedication
requirement. The Park Board will look at this item more closely.
At a discussion later in the evening it was realized that the five lots for this
sketch plan are zoned R-l, and it was the Attorney's opinion that the property would
have to be rezoned to R-4 to allow the platting of 11,400-square-foot lots with sewer
and water.
COMMUNITY DEVELOPMENT BLOCK GRANT FUNDS
Ms. ~indquist reported she talked with Tim Yantos about the suggestions made at the
March 8 meeting for use of the City's CDBG funds. The only two possibilities approved
.by him were upgrading the lots in the Nordeen Addition and possibly the well study.
Other communities are using their money for urban renewal and senior citizen centers.
Or the money could be used for any service benefitting the low income such as meals
on wheels, in-house care for the elderly, Alexander House, etc.
Council discussion was on the various suggestions for using the CÐBG funds. It was
felt there are some neighborhoods where the park could be improved that would benefit
the low income, the specific areas mentioned were the area behind Speedy Market
along 138th and the area of duplexes in Red Oaks. The Clerk was directed to ask Mr.
Yantos to the next regular meeting to discuss this item further.
MTC DISCUSSION
Mayor Windschitl reported the City of Plymouth has determined a way to get out of the
MTC taxing district. They are in the same position as the City of Andover in that
the southern portion of Andover is tax for MTC and no services are provided. He
suggested the City Attorney be asked to investigate this further to see how Andover
could be removed from the MTC taxing district.
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Regular City Council Meeting
March 15, 19S3 - Minutes
Page 9
(MTC Discussion, Continued)
MOTION by Lachinski, Seconded by Elling, that we authorize the City Attorney to
determine how the "opt out" of the MTC affects the City of Andover. Motion carried
unanimously.
CITATIONS
Mayor Windschitl asked the Council's opinion of presenting citations to those people who
tried to save the life of the child who drowned on 138th this weekend. The Council
had no objections, and the Clerk was directed to find out all who responded and to
have the certificates made for presentation at the April 5 meeting.
PLANNING AND ZONING COMMISSION REPORT
Chairman Bosell reported the Commission is holding a special meeting on March 29.
Discussion noted the Council has set another meeting for either the 29th or 30th on
the landfill issue and did not want to hold back-to-back meetings. Because a time
could not be determined for a joint meeting, it was suggested the Council note their
comments, questions, etc., in writing to the Commission Chairman, and that the Council-
men attend those meetings where the Commission will be reviewing the ordinance revisions
if they so desire. Chairman Bosell noted Barton-Aschman should be sending a progress
report and indicating when the draft of Ordinance 10 will be ready.
STREET SWEEPING/ENGINEER'S REPORT
Mr. Schrantz reported the City of Anoka has been contracted for many years to sweep the
streets, but they do so only after their streets are completed. He stated Andover's
streets could be swept as early as the First of April if an independent contractor
were hired. Anoka charges $45 an hour to sweep the streets, and he has received a
quote for $44 an hour from a contractor in St. Cloud who would sweep the streets by
Apr il 1.
MOTION by Elling, Seconded by Lachinski, that we authorize the Engineer to contract
w1th the sweeping contract for the fee of $45 an hour or less for the purpose of
sweeping the streets within our City. Motion carried unanimously.
APPROVAL OF CLAIMS
MOTION by Elling, Seconded by Knight, that we approve the Checks Numbered 6322 through
6363 tor the sum of $70,054.34. Motion carried unanimously.
MOTION by Elling, Seconded by Lachinski, to adjourn. Motion carried unanimously.
Meeting adjourned at 11:37 p.m.
Respectfully submitted,
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Mar ella A. Peach
Recor ing Secretary