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SPECIAL CITY COUNCIL MEETING - FEBRUARY 25, 1980
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A Special Meeting of the Andover City Council was called to order by Mayor Jerry
Windschit1 on February 25, 1980, 7:30 p.m., at the Andover City Hall, 1685 Crosstown
Boulevard NW, Anoka, Minnesota, for the purpose of discussing the proposed utilities
projects in the southwest portion of the City.
Councilmen present: Jacobson, Lachinski, Ortte1, Peach
Councilmen absent: None
Also present: City Engineers John Davidson and Mark Schumacher; City
Clerk, P. K. Lindquist, and others
Mayor Windschit1 explained the reason for tonight's meeting was to define the scope
of the utility projects requested by various landowners.
Discussion was first on the extension of the sanitary sewer trunk. The Mayor
questioned how far the Coon Rapids interceptor will carry to the western portion
of the City. Mr. Davidson explained that the Comprehensive Sewer Plan generally
had the area west of County Road 9 going into the lift station area. The alternate
to the lift station is the Anoka branch of the CAB interceptor. The concept map has
the line going up County Road 9; but that mayor may not be the actual location of
that facility. The lift station area to the west of 9 was intended to be a nonlinear
line depending on the street configuration. They are suggesting the City consider
carrying that trunk sewer to its full available depth on the basis that the Anoka
Branch of the CAB interceptor may be far enough off that it might be in the City's
best interest to have sewer capacity available in the interim. Also, having the
available capacity on the 9ravity system would allow for different types of future
development. They can do a study to determine what available depth and additional
capacity of the line would cost. Or the Council can define the line of service
related specifically to the Coon Rapids Interceptor and to the proposed CAB interceptor.
If the CAB interceptor is extended and everything west of 9 is serviced by that
interceptor, it would leave some capacity in the Coon Rapids line for the City to
expand farther north or farther east in the future. The Anoka system will provide
for everything within the Urban Service District west of County Road 9. There are
some marginal areas in the area of Auditor's Sub. 82 that would have to be studied
to determine if they could be serviced by the Coon Rapids interceptor without a
lift station because of some of the low areas. There is about 19 feet of available
depth off the Coon Rapids interceptor at the entrace of Auditor's Sub. 82. Mr.
:)avidson also stated a question that must also be determined is whether the trunk
is to go up County Road 9 or some alternate route.
"Jr. Davidson also explained that they had a meeting with Paul Ruud of the Anoka County
Highway Department. The County is within a week of letting bids for the improvement
of County Road 9. He stated that it may be in the City's best interest to reserve
some storm sewer capacity across the road, especially to service Quickstrom Addition,
plus Good Value Homes has asked for storm sewer capacity across County Road 9 as well.
He stated it would take some detailed engineering study to determine the exact location
and elevation crossing to the area west of County Road 9 if the City chooses to do so.
Also, if the City chooses to service the area of 12-15 homes which petitioned for
sanitary sewer at the February 19 meeting, it should be done before the roadway is
improved. It would be preferable to put the crossings in the County contract and
have their contractor totally responsible for them.
Mr. Davidson stated that the Engineering study for Good Value Homes has sized the storm
drainage pipe for their area only to be 600 feet of 33-inch pipe for an estimated cost
of $25,000. The County was proposing a 15-inch culvert for its own purposes. t1r. Voth
would be willing to stand the assessment to have that available to him for development.
It would be a matter of how the City, in the interim, would finance it. In addition,
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in order to bring in the area of Quickstrom Addition, it will require future outlet
capacity of that 33-inch pipe to be increased to a 36-inch size at an additional
cost of approximately $3,000. The City would pay the County for their proportionate
share of the oversizing and assess it back against the benefited properties.
Bill LeFebvre, Auditor's Sub. 82 - asked if his subdivision could be serviced without
a 11ft stat1on. Mayor W1ndschit1 stated that apparently there is a question on
some of the back lots.
Mr. LeFebvre - stated he hasn't run a petition through there yet but there has been
on-S1te sewer problems in the area, and there is talk in favor of sanitary sewer.
The Mayor stated if they are serious about getting sanitary sewer and about seeing
if it could be serviced out of the Coon Rapids Interceptor, that a petition should
be brought into the City as soon as possible.
Properties that have petitioned for sanitary sewer: Good Value and Rademacher
property, 80 acres; the small addition to the west of County Road 9 of 12-15
homes; Quickstrom Addition; Chapman's Additions; plus the Carlson property on the
south side of Bunker Lake Boulevard. At this point, it was decided that the trunk
line would service up to Quickstrom Addition. Discussion was on the question of
which areas would be serviced by an Anoka Branch sewer; that the decision on the
CAB interceptor will not be made until July; that it is virtually certain that the
area west of County Road 9 is going to be serviced; that it is just a question of
which alternative is going to be chosen, one of them being the CAB interceptor; that
knowing how the area west of Round Lake is going to be serviced would make a difference
on the depth and size of the extension of the Coon Rapids interceptor; and that at
this time there are no requests from Auditor's Sub. 82 or the land north of
Quickstrom's for the Council to consider.
The Engineers were asked to make a determination if Auditor's Subdivision 82 could
be serviced from the Coon Rapids interceptor and what the difference in cost would be
to size the pipe and run it to service that Addition if it is feasible. They are
also to study whether the best route to run the turnk line would be up Round Lake
Boulevard or' diagonally throu9h the Good Value property.
Council then addressed the storm water question. Discussion was on the question of
oversizing to a 36-inch pipe to service Quickstrom Addition and the Good Value
property; and questioned if the pond on the west side of County Road 9 would have
to be expanded or if additional water can legally be allowed to run through
naturally, which eventually goes to Round Lake. Council generally felt that if
storm drainage needs to be controlled in Quickstroms, it would be better to provide
for it now while County Road 9 ~being reconstructed. If the whole project is done,
the entire $28,000 would be in the bond issue. The pipe would cross County Road 9
in the general location of the north line of Section 32.
Wayne Anderson - stated that Good Value has requested an easement of 153 feet from
their easterly line, so he assumed that that is where they proposed to put their
streets. Discussion was if the sanitary sewer trunk line was to come through the
Good Value property, that a sketch plan/preliminary plat would need to be filed to
make a determination of the exact location of the line, and that this would have to
be done fairly soon.
Wes Mand - presented a petition from the residents in Quickstrom Addition, where all
property owners except one were in favor of sanitary sewer and street improvements.
He stated that a good share of the residents were also interested in central
water and had some concerns about the water.
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MOTION by Ortte1, Seconded by Peach, that the Council ask the County of Anoka to
al low oversized drainage to accolnmodate the drainage of Quickstrom Addition and
property owned by Good Value Homes to the south of that Addition, and the pipe as
it crosses the north line of Section 32 for a total cost of approximately $28,000
to be assessed back against the benefited properties. Motion carried unanimously.
The Council also directed that the Attorney research with Anoka County the legality
of running the extra water across to the west side of County Road 9 and through
private property before getting to Round Lake, suggesting the Attorney's fees be
put toward the cost of the project if/when it is ordered.
Discussion was on the street improvement projects on the handling of the projects of
those petitioned for in existing developments and of those interior street
construction of proposed developments of Mr. Carlson and Good Value Homes. A question
the Council needs to answer is how far the City is willing to finance a development.
The City policy currently allows for financing everything, sanitary sewer, storm
sewer, streets, etc., with 35 percent up front and the balance paid over·a five-year
period. Discussion was also on the length of the bond for the various utilities,
noting that the advantage of having multiple projects is having one bond issue. It
was noted that in the case of Good Value Homes, interior streets and sanitary sewer
laterals cannot be addressed without a preliminary plat. No decisions were made
relative to street improvements for developers, suggesting this be discussed again
at another meeting.
Discussion was on the question of a central water system for the proposed developments
of Carlson's 80 acres, Good Value Home's 60 acres, and Rademacher's 20 acres. It was
felt the feasibility of a central water system for this small area would have to be
addressed, expressing the hope that not much attention be given to planning for future
extension to already developed areas, which has always been discounted by the City.
Mayor Windschit1 explained some other alternatives to a free-standing system at
this time. One alternative would be to have Andover ·put in its own well and lines,
but to ask Anoka to supply the pressure on line. Anoka has excess
pressure capacity in the new tower they have constructed. The advantage to Anoka
would be if they had trouble with their well, our well could pump to their tank.
The whole idea would be to maintain that type of system until such time as we had a
sufficient area to be developed where it would be feasible to put up our own water
tower. Another alternative would be working with the City of Coon Rapids in constructing
a water system under a joint powers agreement which would also service their property
south of the Andover City line. Or Andover could try to construct its own central
water system, or have no central water at all.
Discussion continued noting there is a potential of 800 acres of development west
of Crooked Lake, some with very high densities; and it was generally felt that
water service should try to be provided for those presently undeveloped areas.
MOTION by Peach, Seconded by Lachinski, that the City Council of Andover request the
C1ty of Anoka to consider joining with the City of Andover to supply pressure to a
water system in the southwest portion of our City within the MUSA area west of
Crooked Lake under a Joint Powers Agreement on the basis that Andover would construct
their own well. Motion carried unanimously.
It was agreed that a feasibility study for central water should include the potential
costs of a pressurized system and also a tower. The Engineers should also make a
determination as to where would be the most logical location for a tower to minimize
trunk lines.
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Discussion was that Woodland Terrace will be handling its own storm water drainage.
Dr. Boehland, owner of a parcel south of Bunker Lake Boulevard next to Grace
Lutheran Church, didn't have costs of handling his own storm drainage at this
time and has not talked with Good Value Homes about it.
Mr. Mand - stated that some of the residents were very concerned about City water
be1ng 1nsta11ed in their area after the roads are paved. They would like to have
an estimate of cost of how much central water would add to their project.
Council discussion was that this cost could be determined; that the Additions
of Quickstrom and Aud. Sub. 82 affect the feasibility of having City central water
and that specific breakouts should be stated for each Addition.
John Thomsen, owner of the property north of 145th on both sides of Round Lake
Boulevard - is currently in negotiations with the County on storm water. The
County has a problem with widening the road because they would like to use the pond
area on Mr. Thomsen's property for storm water, and he disagrees with them.
It is Mr. Thomsen's intent to ask for sanitary sewer to service that property.
Mayor Windschit1 stated that if it is his desire to have it considered in this
project for this construction year, the request in writing must be into the City as
soon as possible.
John Peterson, representing Grace Lutheran Church - doesn't have any plans for
cons1deration for storm water runoff. They have no on-site problems with water
drainage now, but they may be expanding their building this next year. The
Mayor explained that they are obligated to take care of their own storm water only.
Dr. Boeh1and - questioned if this addresses the service road along Bunker Lake
Boulevard. Mayor Windschit1 stated that at this point, it is too early to deter-
mine whether the trunk line is going to come down the entire proposed service road.
If the trunk line is run through Good Value's property rather than up County Road 9,
he doubted if the trunk would go through Dr. Boeh1and's entire property. From
there it gets to be a question if that service road should be built.
Discussion was on a time frame for this entire project as to what proposals the
Council wants the various engineering firms to make. After discussion, the Council
agreed to ask for a cost estimate from the various engineering firms to do a
feasibility study for the entire scope of the project, coupled with the cost of
the project, rates per hour, etc., taking into account all the information asked for
in the letter sent to the firms dated February 12, 1980.
It was generally agreed to define the project as:
1) The sanitary sewer project with trunk line going west along Bunker Lake
Boulevard, and north, stopping at Quickstrom Addition; the sanitary sewer
lateral costs for the small Addition west of County Road 9, for Quickstrom
Addition, for Larry Carlson's plat if it is completed in time, and for·
Chapman's Addition; asking for an optional additional cost to do a
feasibility study for including Auditor's Sub. 82 and that property owned:
by Mr. Thomsen north of Quickstroms all the way up to South Coon Creek
Drive (the sewer line to eventually terminate at South Coon Creek Drive).
2) The handling of the storm water for the entire area.
3) Central water for the 80 acres on the northeast corner of Bunker Lake
and Round Lake Boulevards and on the 80 acres of Carlson's.
4) Street improvements in Quickstroms, the area west of County Road 9,
Chapman's, and Woodland Terrace if the preliminary plat is completed.
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Council generally agreed that the information from the various engiaeering firms
should be received by March 20; and that the Council would meet on Thursday,
March 27, to review the various proposals. It is the City's intent to get the
project completed as much as possible this construction year.
Mr. Peterson - asked how the sanitary sewer trunk line is assessed. Mayor
Windschit1 stated that the specifics have not yet been determined, but basically
it would be a per acre assessment on the trunk cost. The laterals are strictly a
cost of what it costs to serve your property.
John Bada1ish, OSM, one of the consultants - not being familiar with Andover, he
wondered if they can get it all spelled out as to what particular subdivisions
want what utilities. Mayor Windschit1 explained that that information can be
received from the City Clerk. He explained that the various engineering firms
were requested to be here this evening because the City is interested in what each
firm has to offer in the way of services for the City.
MOTION by Ortte1, Seconded by Jacobson, to adjourn. Motion carried unanimously.
Meeting adjourned at 8:57 p.m.
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Recording Secretary
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SPECIAL CITY COUNCIL/PLANNING AND ZONING COMMISSION MEEITNG
FEBRUARY 25, 1980
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A Special Joint Meeting of the Andover City Council and the Planning and Zoning
Commission was called to order by Mayor Jerry Windschitl on February 25, 1980,
9:30 p.m., at the Andover City Hall, 1685 Crosstown Boulevard NW, Anoka, Minnesota,
for the purpose of discussing the proposed rezoning in the southern portion of the
City, basically that area within the urban service district.
Councilmen present: Jacobson, Lachinski, Ortte1, Peach
Councilmen absent: None
P & Z Commissioners present: Copley, Anstett, Kishe1, Chairman Bose11
P & Z Commissioners absent: Dick, Lobb, Retzlaff
Also present: City Clerk, P. K. Lindquist and others
MOTION by Orttel, Seconded by Peach, that we set March 27, 1980, for a Special
C1ty Council meeting to review the proposals and interview engineers for the
proposed southwest area improvement project. Motion carried unanimously.
The Clerk informed the Council of the problems cities are having selling bonds
because of the interest rates. She explained there is a bill, Senate File 1911,
that is proposing to change the Statute regulating the amount of interest at
which bonds can be sold by cities. The Council generally agreed to have the Clerk
write to various State officials stating the City's position as favoring this
legislation.
The Clerk also stated that yesterday morning when Dick Schneider opened the building
for their church services, there was garbage allover the front yard. Apparently
members from the church picked it up and put it in the lobby. John Lawrence called
the City Ha 11 ~~onday morni ng asking how the staff 1 i ked the "present" he left Fri day
night. He had called the City Hall Friday to find out what time the dump was open.
He was told until 6 o'clock, which is the latest information the City has received.
Mr. Lawrence went at 5:30 and the dump was closed; so, he explained to the Clerk, he
left the garbage at the City Hall. Discussion was on whether he should be
prosecuted or sent a bill for the removal of the garbage from the City Hall site.
It was agreed to have the Clerk talk with the Sheriff's Department for an opinion as
to what to do.
Council discussion was on the 2/19/80 Rezoning Proposal map as prepared by the P & Z,
making the following suggestions for the Planning Commission to consider:
* Recommended Green Acres remain a permanent R-3 zone.
* The Cunningham Addition should remain R-4.
* The corner of Round Lake Boulevard and Bunker Lake Boulevard, the Rademacher
property, should be shown as Shopping Center zoning.
* Discussion was on consideration of removing Meadowwood, Dosta1er-Hane, and all
of Lunds Round Lake Estates out of the urban service area completely and moving
that capacity from the interceptor to either the north or east of the present
urban service line. Mayor Windschit1 stated that Meadowwood, R-2, Estate
District, has permanent streets, one-acre lots, and was designed for never having
sanitary sewer. Other Councilmen felt that only 2~-acre developments should come
out of the urban service district. After furthfr discussion, it was agreed to
1 eave Meadowwood in the urban service area and owen n!the ~lUSA 1 i ne to the dotted
line as recommended by the P & Z.
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* Discussion was on zoning that area within the present MUSA area; that the
property along South Coon Creek Drive is low and of questionable deve10pabi1ity;
that the present MUSA line is drawn straight for convenience sake; suggesting
that the MUSA line be shown where realistically sanitary sewer will be provided
in the City in the future; and that the sanitary trunk line was sized to service
the present MUSA area, not necessarily for the type of land that existed or
whether or not it would ever be developed. It was felt that the size of the
sewer pipe actually cOnstructed along Bunker Lake Boulevard should be checked,
as it was questioned if the sizing is correct for expansion to the east.
Discussion continued that servicing Hartfiel's Estates off Andover Boulevard is
limited to having to construct a lift station close to the creek; that a logical
extension of the sewer line to service an area at the City Hall site would be to
come up Hanson Boulevard extension as it is being constructed; that there is a
lot of developable property in that area; but that the landfill area will
probably never be built upon, Which would question the economics of extending the
sewer line up Hanson.
* Discussion was on the properties that have asked for industrial zoning along
the railroad tracks: off Andover Boulevard, two 40s deep, east of the railroad
trac~ and the Vosika property.
Ms. Bose11 arrived at this time.
It was noted that the TKDA report states that sanitary sewer can service that
proposed industrial study area, but that the extension of the sanitary sewer any
farther east than that may have to be addressed at some pOint in the future.
* Discussion on the areas along the railroad tracks was on which areas should be
considered for rezoning to industrial. The area to the north of Bunker Lake
Boulevard on either side of the railroad tracks is across from the park, but some
Councilmen didn't think that the County would raise an objection to having
commercial or industrial directly across from the park, noting that some buffer
may have to be provided. Discussion was on the need for industrial land on the
north side of the metropolitan area; on the desirability of setting aside industrial
land at this time to preserve it for whenever it is needed; that the restrictions
of the creek through this area are that of the Watershed Board, which can require
a holding of the drainage if it hasn't been previously assessed or they can retain
50 feet on either side of the creek; that the Park Plan calls for setting land
aside on either side of the creek to protect it for use for trails, etc.; and
that development cannot take place within a 100-year flood plane.
* Zoning the two west 40s abutting the railroad tracks, north of Bunker Lake
Boulevard to the creek, to industrial or commercial: Lachinski, Orttel, Peach,
Windschilt were in favor; Jacobson was undecided.
* Industrial zoning of the two 40s east of the railroad tracks, north of Bunker
Lake Boulevard to the creek (including the small portions of the 40s directly
abutting the railroad tracks): Jacobson - If the area west of the railroad tracks
are industrial, the area to the east of the tracks should be something other than
industrial to act as a buffer zone. Ortte1, Peach - favored having the entire
40s in that area as commercial. Bosel1 - consideration might be to use that
area as a transitional zone and let the developer come in with a plan for a
transition. Copley - economics might dictate what will be put in that area.
Lachinski - going over to the 40 line is slightly infringing on the park.
Windschit1 - unless there was some offensive-type things in the area, Anoka
County probably wouldn't be opposed to it being commercial. Lachinski - suggested
splitting the 40s down the middle using that closest to the railroad tracks, the
western portio~ as industrial and that portion to the east as residential.
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A suggestion was also running the business district farther east along Bunker
Lake Boulevard to the full 40 line east of the tracks, then running it north, but
changing it to a PUD or other transitional zone.
* The areas east of the tracks, south of Andover Boulevard, two 40s abutting the
tracks: consider using the creek as a natural boundary with that area east of
the creek used for residential and the area west of the creek zoned industrial.
To expand upon that, it was suggested that the entire area east. of the railroad
tracks between Andover and Bunker Lake Boulevards, beginning on the north
portion, east of the creek would be residential with that line extending
straight down toward Bunker lake Boulevard dividng those 40s to the south in half,
keeping the residential zoning to the east of that line, industrial to the west of
that line.
* ~iscussion was on the two 40s south of Andover Boulevard, one 40 to the west of
the railroad tracks which is owned by Meri11a, which the Planning Commission has
recommended a zoning of PUO: suggested that the creek act as a natural buffer,
that the Vosika property could be some type of industrial/commercial/business
zone along with the 20 acre areas shown on the map as PUD directly below the
Vosika property. Hanson Boulevard would divide the residential area from the
commercial.
* Councilman Jacobson suggested that the area east of the proposed Hanson Boulevard
extension and south of the creek could be conidered for industrial; and everything
east of the railroad track and north of the creek be residential, suggesting the
area north of the creek west of the tracks as a PUD development. He doesn't
want to see industrial east of the railroad tracks.
* No one objected to the business district as proposed along Bunker Lake Boulevard;
suggested the business district could also· continue up Hanson Boulevard extension
for a short distance.
* Discussion was on the question of what PUD means; suggesting a specific zone be
used instead; noted that the water quality in the area south of the landfill
needs to be determined; suggested that the whole area west of Hanson, north of
the proposed business district be zoned R-4.
* Suggested distinguishing between a residential PUD and a business PUD.
* Property south of Bunker Lake Boulevard (Caswell property) where PUD is suggested
by the Planning Commission as a buffer between residential and general industrial:
that it be defined as residential or business PUD; that it could be zoned multiple;
or that the entire area could be left as R-4.
* Woodland Terrace: is a PUD on the north end, R-4 on the southern end.
* Councilman Lachinski - if the land is going to be within the urban service area,
it should be high density. Either the urban service line should be changed or
get a high-density zoning within the area.
* Discussion on the land north of the creek, south of Andover Boulevard, west of
the railroad tracks: Peach - should seriously be considered for industrial.
Ortte1 - Andover Boulevard was not designed to handle the traffic. After
further discussion, it was suggested consideration be given to make the two 40s
between Andover Boulevard and the creek which abut the tracks to the west as
industrial; there was no general consensus as to what zoning should be on the two
40s directly west of this area.
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* Using Hanson as the dividing line and rezoning east to commercial: it was suggested
the soils be investigated to be sure that it is developable.
* Directed that the Engineers check the feasibility of altering boundaries of the
urban service area.
MOTION by Peach, Seconded by Lachinski, to adjourn. Motion carried unanimously.
Meeting adjourned at 11:30 p.m.
Respectfully SUb~ZL-
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Marc 11a A. Peach
Recording Secretary