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~ 01 ANDOVER
REGULAR CITY COUNCIL MEETING - JUNE 17, 1980
AGENDA
1. Call to Order - 7:30 P.M.
2. Resident Forum
3. Agenda Approval
4. Discussion: John Weaver - Representative 19B
5. Discussion Items
a. Andover West - Preliminary Plat
b. Birchwood Pond - Final Plat
c. Hawk Ridge East - Preliminary Plat
d. Menkveld's Green Acres - Preliminary Plat
e. Northglen aka Andover Woods - Preliminary Plat
f. Rezoning/MUSA Boundaries
g. Housing Plan
h. Storm Sewer Costs/138th & Underc1ift
i.
6. Non~Discussion Items
a. Water Permit - L. Warneka
b. Authorization for 1980 Auditor
c. Award ~ontract - 1980-1, 1980-2
7. Commission, Committee, and Staff Reports
a. Planning & Zoning Commission
b. Park & Recreation Commission
c. Other Committee Reports
8. Approval of Minutes
9. Approval of Claims
10. Adjournment
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~ 01 ANDOVER
REGULAR CITY COUNCIL MEETING - JUNE 17, 1980
MINUTES
The Regular Bi-Monthly Meeting of the Andover City Council was called to order by
Mayor Jerry Windschit1 on June 17, 1980, 7;30 p.m., at the Andover City Hall, 1685
Crosstown Boulevard NW, Anoka, Minnesota.
Councilmen present: Jacobson, Lachinski, Ortte1, Peach
Councilmen absent: None
Also present: City Attorney, William G. Hawkins; TKDA Engineers John Davidson
and Mark Schumacher; City Engineer, Larry Winner; Planning and
Zoning Chairman, d'Arcy Bose11; City Clerk, P. K. Lindquist;
and others.
RESIDENT FORU~1
Marvin Mue1ke, 13754 Quinn Street - realized there was an ordinance against parking On
the streets durlng the 111ght and received a ticket for parking his truck on the street.
He drew a diagram of his area, noting it is a deadend street, he is the last house on
the street, and there is no traffic on that portion of the street. He parked his pickup
there and didn't feel in this particular case that he deserves a ticket. It wasn't
bothering anything nor causing any problems, and he felt an exception to the rules
could be made in this case. He asked if the Council could move to have the ticket
canceled, and he won't park the truck there any more.
Council discussion noted that everyone has to be treated equally, and one of the reasons
for the ordinance was to control the parking of semi trucks on the streets and to control
parking on the streets for plowing snow, etc. Attorney Hawkins explained that everyone
has to be treated the same. If theré is a problem with the application of the ordinance,
the Council can amend it to take care of anythi ng in the future. There is no procedure
for the Council to cancel such tickets. The only thing the Council can do is request
him as the City prosecutor to look at it for the purpose of dismissing it. If he felt
so inclined, he would have to be the one to dismiss it at a court hearing. Then only
the court has the power to dismiss the ticket. At this point, it was Mr. Hawkin's
opinion that it was a validly issued ticket and that it would be improper to dismiss
the ticket. No action was taken by the Council.
AGENDA APPROVAL
MOTION by Ortte1, Seconded by Jacobson, that we approve the Agenda as published with
the addition of Item 5i, Extension of the 79-2 Project and 5j, Purchase of Tractor.
Motion carried unanimously.
MOTION by Jacobson, Seconded by Orttel, that we suspend the rules for this evening.
Motlon carried unanimously.
JOHN WEAVER - REPRESENTATIVE 19B
Representative Weaver presented the Council with a handout of the legislation significant
to cities during the 1980 Session, calling attention to the self-insurance change,
population estimate changes, police and fire retirement and part-time peace officers
change, and the change in control of local municipality to set speed limits in urban
districts. In addition, a change was enacted to allow municipalities to control any
metes and bounds properties that have 20 acres or less, plus the Ag Preserve Act was
enacted specifically tied to the land of 4D acres or more and which can be noncontiguous
property. If a farmer chooses to put his property within an Ag Preserve District, he
must enter into an 8-year contract which limits his use of that property to agricultural
purposes. Under this act, assessments are paid for by the State every year and the
differential in tax is paid for by the State annually, so the municipality is not impacted.
Regular City Council Meeting
June 17, 1980 - Minutes
Page 2
(John Weaver, Continued)
The contract by the farmer must be renewed annually or it terminates at the end of
the eighth year. He continually must keep the contract ahead of him eight years. The
properties must be included in the City's Ag districts now or in the City's long-range
plan. This is effective within the 7-county metropolitan area only.
Representative Weaver also reviewed the Solid and Hazardous Waste Bill. By 1983 each
of the counties will be designating six proposal sites within the county, which will
then be narrowed down to a total of six sites in the 7-county area, with no more than
one in any one countB~~ ~ßi~ ~n~ªsgh~at the four landfills presently in Anoka County
will be narrowed to/ . f e t anagement Board will have the power to override
local ordinances in locating those new landfill sites. Mayor Windschit1 stated that at
one point there was a provision that if a city had an operating landfill this year,
the city would never get an assessment by the Waste Management Board, which would be
advantageous for the City of Andover. Representative Weaver stated he would research
that further.
Mr. Weaver also noted that EPA will be taking samples in the Heidelberger area, and
he will be visiting that area tomorrow morning. The purpose of the sampling of the
barrels is to determine whether this area would qualify for 311 Emergency Funds which
are available in the event of an eminent hazard and which would provide federal
funding for the clean-up. That decision will be made by the end of June.
It was also noted that the City sent a Resolution to the PCA requesting the barrels in
the pit at the landfill be removed, and the City has not received an answer. Representa-
tive Weaver stated he would check into that further also.
ANDOVER WEST - PRELIMINARY PLAT
Chairman Bose11 reviewed the Planning Commission's recommendation dated June 11, 1980,
to approve the Andover West Preliminary Plat, noting that Lots 13 and 14 of Block 7
have been added to the plat along with the acreage for the proposed parkland; that a
15-foot walkway to LakeRidge Park is being dedicated along the east side of Lot 1,
Block 7; that Blackfoot in the eastern corner has been made a full 66-foot roadway;
and that a variance is required for 152nd Circle NW, which extends over 500 feet, but
which gives additional access to the parkland. The exact location of the clay pits and
indian mounds have not been determined, but Mr. Berger is willing to enter into an
agreement with the City to set aside Lots 13 and 14 if the clay pits are found in them.
Mr. Darrell Berger noted that he has an option on the property that is being shown as
park dedlcation. Attorney Hawkins felt this is proper, as long as at the time the final
plat is approved, all the people who have a joint interest in the plat are in agreement.
Mr. Berger stated a written statement that the people having an interest are in con-
currence with the proposal is on file at the City office.
Mayor Windschitl felt that it would be desirable to have a 30-foot dedicated right of
way to LakeRidge park rather than 15 feet, so that in the future, with this area being
proposed for an eventual regional park area, it would be possible to construct a roadway
to the park through that easement. Mr. Berger did not object to the 30-foot easement.
Discussion noted that turnarounds are not indicated on some streets. Mr. Berger stated
they will show up on the revised plat that will be presented to the City. He also stated
he would be filing the final in stages.
Discussion was on the mechanics of dedicating the parkland as the plat is filed. Mr.
Berger indicated he would be willing to dedicate the acreage of the park to correspond
with the acreage requirement of the portion of the plat that will be filed. Since
the park is adjacent to LakeRidge, this could be accomplished by dedicating land
adjacent to it by metes and bounds descriptions. The first part would be filed on the
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Regular City Council Meeting
June 17, 1980 - Minutes
Page 3
(Andover West - Preliminary Plat, Continued)
southwest part as served by 151st and 152nd Avenue. The Council and Mr. Hawkins
agreed to this method of park dedication.
Wes Mand, Park and Recreation Commission Chairman, stated there is the possibility of
expanding the entire park area to make a larger regional park. There are two more
parcels of land adjoining this 40 that could be included in the parkland. There is also
the possibility that Lots 13 or 14 do include one of the clay pits, plus there may be
some additional historical sites in that area. Mr. Berger has indicated his intention
is "if the clay pits are found on Lot 14, he would be willing to dedicate that lot to the
City but to pick up additional land in lieu of it some place else. M~ Mand went on to
explain if they could obtain an option on the parcel included as parkland in the plat
rather than have it dedicated and on the parcels south and east of there (using a
Letter of Credit or cash from the park dedication from Mr. Berger to obtain those
options), the City can apply for a grant to acquire that whole section. The Park Board
may be able to use park dedication fees from Mr. Berger as he stages his plat as the
City's seed mOney for the grant and which would cOnstitute the City's share of the grant
program. If the parkland is dedicated prior to the approval of the grant, it does not
constitute a portion of the City's share of the grant program. That area is close to
the urban service boundary of the City and could easily be included in the MUSA boundary,
which would make it easier to receive LAWCON grant funds.
Mr. Berger stated he did not object to working with the Park Board and the City to try
to do this. The problem now is one of timing for him. If the Council could approve
the preliminary plat as it is and if there was some decisions made prior to the filing
of a final plat, he would be willing to change his plat again to take the parkland
out and give cash in lieu of parkland. However, he needs to make a commitment on the
property.
Council generally had no difficulty with the proposal; however, generally felt that
the mechanics of making it would be confusing and suggested that possibly just
having the dedicated parkland would be seed enough for a grant. Council agreed to
take the land dedication as originally proposed; however, if Mr. Mand's proposal
would become feasible in a reasonable period of time, the City could make that change.
MOTION by Lachinski, Seconded by Ortte1, introduce the motion to approve the Preliminary
Plat of Andover West presented by Andover Properties for Programmed Land, Inc., as
presented by the City Clerk with the following revisions: that in the sixth Paragraph,
WHEREAS another recommendation for approval was submitted by the Planning and Zonlng
Commission with additional reasons for such action being park1ands equal to 10 percent
of the total plat included, Lot 13 and Lot 14 of Block 7, instead of "have been
set aside", we would say "wi 11 be substituted for potential parkland if it is found the
historical clay pits are located on these lots"; and, instead of "a 15-foot walkway to
LakeRidge park", it would be "a 30-foot easement and roadway utility and drainage
easement to LakeRidge Park"; and also that the approval be contingent upon the following
revision: that Guarani Street and Blackfoot Street be shown with the appropriate
turnarounds; and that all lots be shaded for those areas that fail to meet the 39,000
square foot requirement. (See Resolution R70-80) Motion carried unanimously.
BIRCHWOOD POND - FINAL PLAT
MOTION by Ortte1, Seconded by Peach, that Council approve a 6-month extension to the
flllng of the Final Plat of Birchwood Pond Addition. (See Resolution R71-80) Motion
carried unanimously.
Regular City Counc1il Meeting
June 17, 1980 - Minutes
Page 4
MENKVELD'S GREEN ACRES - PRELIMINARY PLAT
Chairman Bosel1 explained that the property involved is in the middle of Green Acres,
zoned R-3. Mr. Menkve1d has been before the Planning Commission several times, and
the Planning Commission does not agree with the latest proposed preliminary plat, and
she asked the Council for some direction. The problem is that the lots do not meet
the 20,000-square-foot requirement of an R-3 zone, and 6 of those do not even meet the
average lot size, their being an average of 16,700 square feet. The average lot size
not counting the creek lots in the Green Acres plat is 18,000 square feet. The other
problem is the possible future subdivision shown to the east of the property he is
platting. It is contiguous property but the developer has chosen to leave it out of
the plat.
Jack Menkve1d - stated to make the lots 20,000 square feet, two or more lots would be
lost. The reason they are not meeting the R-3 zOne is because of the excessive
frontage that would be required to meet it. They are in a sewered area. If it is
,re,quired that they be 1/2 acre with the shallow depth, it ends up with such wide
frontages that it becomes uneconomical to develop it. He had no objection to going to
110-foot wide lots, which is compatible with the surrounding area. But going 110-foot
width on the lots, the houses would be spaced similiar1y to the surrounding areas; however,
they would not have as large of a back yard.
Lloyd Reimann - stated that the proposed Lots 5 and 6 are presently at water elevation.
When he moved in, all that was under water. Mr. Menkve1d stated that parts of 5 and 6
are peat and will be excavated and filled.
Mr. Reimann - also felt it would be preferable to extend the street straight through to
the Dahlia easement rather than building a cul de sac, as cul de sacs are not desirable
for plowing roads, etc. Mr. Menkve 1d stated they c ou 1d make it a temporary turnaround
and change the future subdivision to a through street. There is a lot of soils
corrections in the eastern area, which will be a lengthy process to correct.
Mr. Reimann - asked that since the City owns the Dahlia street easement, why did Mr.
Menkveld sell the black dirt? They were hauling it out of there today. He was
concerned that a deep hole would be dug and left, which would be a safety hazard. He
wanted the hole filled in. Mr. Menkveld adlllitted the black dirt is being removed out
of there. Council stated that he should not be removing dirt from the City-owned
easement, and also a mining permit is needed to excavate and remove dirt from the property.
After further discussion, Council generally agreed that the entire area should be
filed as a preliminary plat with the street going straight through to the Dahlia
easement; that if Mr. Menkveld wanted to do so, he could then file only the western
portion of the plat but construct a temporary turnaround at the easterly end of that
portion. Council also generally agreed that 110-foot wide lots would be acceptable
as it is compatible with the existing lots in Green Acres even though the lots would
be less than the 20,000-square-foot requirements of the R-3 zone. The 110-foot width
would give the same outward appearance as the surrounding area. Variances would still
be needed.
Discussion was also on the ditches running along the property to be platted; that
there will be a steep ditch in the back yards of those residences; and that there is
an easement for maintenance of the ditches. It was questioned whether there is
justification or had been any plans to burying the ditch. Mayor Windschitl suggested
this be researched further, thinking it related back to when the property was assessed
for storm sewers. It was also noted that it is an engineering question as to whether
Dahlia should or should not be constructed.
Mr. Menkve1d stated he is planning to install concrete curb and gutter bituminous streets
in the plat.
Recess at 9:02; reconvene at 9:15 p.m.
Regular City Council Meeting
June 17, 1980 - Minutes
Page 5
HAWK RIDGE EAST - PRELIMINARY PLAT
Chairman Bosel1 reviewed the Planning Commission's recommendation dated June 11, 1980,
to approve the plat as was originally approved, requiring no changes as far as the cu1
de sacs, but there should be some shading on Lot 8, Block 3, to show land corrections
to be done on that lot. The Planning Commission felt that asthetica11y, cul de sacs
should be given consideration; that through traffic was not as desirable for the safety
of children; and also the fact that they wanted to preserve the wetlands. Also, it
was the basic feeling of the Planning Commssion that unless 180th going eastward would
extend to the south on the next plat, it is not even necessary to be included in the plat,
as they didn't feel it made much sense to have 180th and County Road 58 running
parallel 100+ feet apart. If it is to be there, the Planning Commission felt that it
should be constructed.
Several on the Council expressed the opinion that 180th would have to run eastward due
to the restriction that lots cannot face County Road 58; therefore, the developer to
the east would also need 180th to build lots along there. Larry Carlson noted that they
have a revised plan if it is required that 180th be constructed to the east end of
the plat to provide 2~ acres for all lots in that area.
There was then a lengthy discussion on the road pattern within the plat; several on
the Council still feeling that Swallow Street, Thursh Circle and Swallow Place should
be tied to make a through street; the problem of maintenance and emergency vehicle
turnaround on cul de sacs; that the plat as presented does not have any through
streets; the fear on the part of some that this would be setting the precedent of
allowing excessive or encouraging the establishment of cu1 de sacs within the city;
that though the Planning Commission is in support of the developer in developing cu1
de sac streets in this development, Public Works and the Fire Department are very much
opposed to them; debated the pros and cons of maintenance on the cu1 de sacs; and questioned
the Planning Commission's views and reasons for allowing so many cul de sacs.
Mr. Carlson - explained that they generally have about six sketch plans made of the
area to be platted from which they work out the best idea, but in this case everyone
has basically the same ideas because of the wetlands area. Their builder estimated
a cost of $23,376 to do 516 feet of road to connect the cul de sacs for a through
street. He also reviewed his memo relative to his figures for the cost of maintenance
of cu1 de sacs, in that the City does not lose money on them but that in the long run
it would be much more expensive to extend the road even though he would expend the
initial cost.
Council discussion noted that the oridnance does not dictate the number of cu1 de sacs
in any given area and that the plat presented meets the city ordinances. After further
discussion on the street design, the Council and Mr. Carlson agreed to make 180th a
through street, extending it to the eastern border of the plat where it is shown as
an easement on the plat before the Council, and to make allowances for the acreage on
Lots 1 and 2 of Block 3, and to extend 180th westerly from the location shown on the
plat before the Council as it intersects with Uplander Street to meet County Road 59,
possibly placing a curve in 180th to allow for the best layout of the lots and the
roadway and to allow the revision of those lots adjacent to County Road 59 so as to
place 180th through there. The Council generally indicated that in the future, it
would be their preference to limit the cu1 de sacs in plats.
MOTION by Lachinski, Seconded by Jacobson, approving the Preliminary Plat of Hawk Ridge
East as per the Resolution presented by the City Clerk with the following revisions:
that 180th Avenue be extended to the east property line and that we also allow for
the variance for minimum size On Lot 1 and Lot 2 of Block 3 to provide for the extension
of 180th Avenue as a dedicated and constructed roadway; and that Lots 1, 2, 3. 4, and 5
of Block 1 be reviewed to allow for 180th Avenue to be extended to County Road 59.
(See Resolution R72-80)
Regular City Council Meeting
June 17, 1980 - Minutes
Page 6
(Hawk Ridge East - Preliminary Plat, Continued)
DISCUSSION: Councilman Peach stated that the numerous cu1 de sacs within the plat have
been a great concern to the Fire Chief and to Public Works. It was his opinion that
removing the cu1 de sacs of Swallow Place and Thrush Circle would mean only about 150
feet more of pavement. Others on the Council felt that with the extension of 180th,
some of those problems should be solved; plus different street names for the cu1 de sacs
should also eliminate any confusion from a public safety standpoint. Mr. Davidson
stated that the difference in cost for cu1 de sacs versus a straight length of street
is a 50-foot paved cu1 de sac has an additional area equal to another 227 feet of
24-foot wide bituminous roadway.
VOTE ON MOTION: YES-Jacobson, Lachinski, Ortte1, Windschit1; NO-Peach
Motion carried..
Councilman Peach - My only objection to the plat was for the future development
that Thursh Circle and Swallow Place cu1 de sacs be attached, and for public safety
and maintenance reasons.
NORTHGLEN aka ANDOVER WOODS - PRELIMINARY PLAT
Chairman Bose11 reviewed the Planning Commission's June 11, 1980, recommendation
of approval of the Northg1en Preliminary Plat. It was noted that the copies of the
preliminary plat before the Council have all the changes that were recommended by the
Planning Commission in the June 11 memo.
Frank Voth, Good Value Homes - recommended that Lot 20 be designated for ponding and
municlpal water faci11ties and that this be charged into the public improvement project
and assessed back. It is intended that the City would buy it and charge it to the south-
west improvement project, a portion to the water and a portion to the drainage system.
Mayor Windschit1 felt that the drainage issue should not be assessed but should be
worked out between Rademacher and Good Value Homes. He agreed that the portion for
the water system should be included in the southwest area improvement project, but
felt that the prices, etc., should be agreed upon ahead of time. There was some
indication that the $4,000 an acre as agreed upon for parkland dedication purposes may
be suitable for the purchase of the approximate 1/2 acre needed for the pump house for
the water system or that that area be included as part of the parkland dedication.
Further discussion noted that Lot 20 on the Preliminary Plat is for both the drainage
and pump house purposes. Council felt that the two areas should have different
designations with the drainage.property to be Lot 20 and the pump house property of
approximately 1/2 acres to be Lot 20A. After further discussion, Mr. Voth recommended,
and the Council agreed, that the .6 acre difference in parkland dedication be given
for the well house site.
Mr. Davidson explained they have been discussing the southwest area improvements with
the developers in that the developer would be rough grading the entire plat, outlining
the street areas, lot filling, and general grading, which would reduce the overall cost
that the City contracts out. The storm drainage design is being done by TKDA as part of
the Southwest Area Improvement project.
Discussion with Mr. Voth was on the temporary turnarounds on the two cu1 de sacs going
to the east; that by requiring a full turnaround, the area taken up by the cu1 de sacs
present a problem with the lot. Some on the Council felt that the streets are only 100
feet long and that a turnaround would not be needed as maintenance vehicles could easily
back out. Mr. Voth didn't have any objections to putting in T-turnarounds but felt it
wasn't necessary as there is only one driveway in each of the streets. He would be
willing to leave this go until his engineers meet with the TKDA engineers when designing
the streets within the Southwest Area Improvement project, as the City will be approving
the plans and specs at that time.
Regular City Council Meeting
June 17, 1980 - Minutes
Page 7
(Northg1en - Preliminary Plat, Continued)
Discussion was then on the street standard design within the plat. Mr. Voth stated
that they are not planning to put curb and gutter in the plat as he has been advised
that the zoning would allow the double unit lots without having to go concrete curb and
gutter. At this point, it was the Council's recollection that the motion to change
the street standards was to require concrete curb and gutter in multiple unit areas
and ccmmerci a 1 property. Mr. Voth felt they may want to reconsider putting doubles in
the plat if that is the case; the Clerk was directed to obtain a copy of the Council's
motion relative to this issue. It was agree d to hold this item until after the Rezoning
discssuion on the Agenda.
REZONING/MUSA BOUNDARIES
Council reviewed the proposal for rezoning the urban service area as presented by the
Planning Commission and made the following recommendations which were documented On
an overhead map by Mr. Schumacher:
* Any references to PUD zoning is not to be on this zoning map since the City does not
have a PUD zone, but it should be shown as a proposed PUD on the rezoning map in the
City's Comprehensive Development Plan.
* The area on either side of the proposed extension of Hanson Boulevard is to be
zoned General Business.
* The area between Bunker Lake Boulevard and Red Oaks to be zoned Limited Business.
* The undeveloped property west of Hartfiel's Estates and the 40 north of it to be
included in the MUSA, with the MUSA line then extended further westward to meet
Crosstown Boulevard, which will include all of Lund's Evergreen Estates. (It was suggested
that people coming in for building permits in Lund's Evergreen Estates be specifically
told they are within the MUSA area so they may allow for possible logical subdivision
in the future.) Both 40s of undeveloped property just included in the MUSA to the
east of Lund's Round Lake Estates to retain an R-1 classification since it was not
published for rezoning to R-4.
* The MUSA line between Round Lake and Crosstown Boulevard to be returned to the
original boundary line on the 40 line north of South Coon Creek Drive so that it can be
more easily described. It was noted that the wetland areas within that MUSA are not
considered for sanitary sewer service area by the MWCC.
* The AG zoning as shown on the map before the Council is to remain an R-1 zoning as
the City does not yet have an AG zoning; however, it should be proposed as an Ag
Preserve in the City's Comprehensive Development Plan.
Discussion was on the parcel on the northeast corner of 138th and Crosstown Boulevard
presently zoned R-4. Steve Chinander, owner of that parcel, addressed the Council
feeling that because of the multiples along 138th and the desire of the County not to
have that parcel come out onto Crosstown Boulevard, that that parcel is basically
unmarketable as a single-family residential property. He suggested that it be rezoned
to M-2. He stated then it would be his intent to construct a duplex on it this year
which would front on 138th and be compatible with the existing structures on 138th.
He felt there was enough property to meet the setback requirements and still face 138th.
Council discussed the merit5 of having single-family residentai1 or multiple unit on
that lot, noting that there is a mechanical problem of rezoning to M-2 because it was
not published for that rezoning. It was suggested that Mr. Chinander apply for a
Special Use Permit to construct a duplex on that R-4 parcel.
* The R-5 classification should not appear on those 40's to the south of Lund's Round
Lake Estates, but instead should be noted *Under Special Use Permit for Mobile Home Park.
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Regular City Council Meeting
June 17, 1980 - Minutes
Page 8
(Rezoning/MUSA Boundaries, Continued)
* Johnson's Oakmount Terrace and Dehn's Addition will retain their original zoning
classifications. Auditor's Subdivision 82 is to retain the R-3 zoning classification.
Boundaries of the various zoning classifications throughout the entire urban service
area are to be darkened.
* Areas north of Coon Creek to be designated R-1.
Mr. Voth - wondered since there has been discussion to have the Coon Rapids Interceptor
service as much of their 80 acres west of Round Lake Boulevard as possible, that that
be so designated. Presently, 40 of those 80 acres are shown as eventually being
served with the CAB interceptor. Discussion was that the divider line is the
approximate area which could be served by the Coon Rapids interceptor by gravity flow,
and that it is the Council's intention that as much of the 40 owned by Good Value Homes
presently shown as being served by the CAB interceptor that can be served by gravity
would be allowed into the Coon Rapids interceptor.
Rosella SOnsteby - questioned what happens to the remaining property west of the
divider llne. Council informed her that that property is intended to be serviced by
the CAB interceptor in the future and that the reason for the line is that that is
the approximate area that could be serviced by the Coon Rapids interceptor by gravity
flow without having to build a lift station.
Ms. Sonsteby - has some lots just to the west of Auditor's Sub. 82 and wondered if they
could be served by the Coon Rapids interceptor as the southwest improvement project is
being done. She was told that the question is if they could be served by gravity;
and if it could be done, the City would prefer R-4 lots. It is a question that she
would have to talk with the engineers.
MOTION by Peach, Seconded by Ortte1, that the Council approve the zoning map as
presented by the Planning and Zoning Chairperson and as revised at this evening's
meeting. (See Reso1tuion R73-80) Motion carried unanimously.
MOTION by Peach, Seconded by Ortte1, that the MUSA 1ine/gÖjusted to the lines as proposed
on the map as amended this evening. (See Resolution R74-80) Motion carried unanimously.
Ms. Sonsteby - asked how she is going to get sewers for her apartments on Seventh
Avenue. Mayor Windschit1 explained that the City has no control over this, and that it
is under the control of the Metropolitan Waste Control Commission, which she can contact.
NORTHGLEN PRELIMINARY PLAT CONTINUED
The Clerk read the Council's motion relative to the street standards -- that because
of the higher use contemplated in multiple areas, that densities of R-5 and above will
be required to have concrete curb and gutter. There was a lengthy discussion as
to the meaning of the motion, noting that the intent was for densities higher than
single-family residential including multiples that would be allowed by Special Use in
an R-4 district; but that the motion specifically states requiring curb and gutter for
zonings R-5 and above, which was an oversight of not including those multiples allowed
by Special Use Permit in R-4.
Keith Nelson - stated that the streets are designed with grading to abate the storm
water runoff, and there is storm sewer proposed in the plat to pick up the storm water
without curbs. They are proposing a bituminous shoe on the side of the street to act
as a curb which will move the water toward the catch basins.
Though it was generally the Council's desire that concrete curb and gutter street
standard be constructed in the Northg1en plat in light of the multiple densities
scattered throughout the plat, the motion on the street standards did not specifically
require it since this is an R-4 zone with multiples allowed by Special Use. It was
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Regular City Counc i 1 Meeting
June 17, 1980 - Minutes
Page 9
(Northg1en Preliminary Plat, Continued)
also noted that in this particular plat, there is a more sophisticated storm drainage
system. The Clerk was directed to put the item of road standards for those uses of greater
densjtie~han single-family residents on the Agenda for the next regularly scheduled
meeting.
Mr. Nelson stated he did submit an application to the Coon Creek Watershed Board and
received approval of the Preliminary Plat contingent upon the Watershed receiving a
letter from the City stating that the water is disposed of in an approved manner. The
Watershed had no concerns that they are removing water out of their watershed but were
concerned that the water wouldn't be creating some different problems elsewhere. Mr.
Davidson stated they will be asking the DNR for a review for discharging water into the
wetlands west of Round Lake Boulevard. It was agreed to let the Engineer resolve the
issue with the Watershed Board.
Ms. Sonsteb~ - doesn't want the dirt or excess water coming over on her property that
lS west of ound Lake Boulevard. Mr. Voth explained they have already made an easement
to the City of land they own to have the water drain to their property. It will not be
draining over anyone e1ses's land. Mr. Voth also stated that they have a restrictive
convenant over the 80 acres which is already filed with the City that there will be no
other grocery stores than on the corner.
MOTION by Peach, Seconded by Lachinski, a Reslo1ution approving the Preliminary Plat
of Northg1en, also known as Andover Woods, as being developed by Good Value Homes,
Inc., as presented by the City Clerk; revise the second to last BE IT FURTHER RESOLVED
by the City of Andover to hereby accept park dedication as shown on the plat plus
area designated as Lot 20A (.6 of an acre for well site.). (See Resolution R75-80)
DISCUSSION: Mr. Voth stated the entire acreage for the drainage pond would be dedicated
to the City and would be a City maintained ponding area. Motion carried unanimously.
SOUTHWEST AREA IMPROVEMENT PROJECT DISCUSSION
Mayor Windschit1 noted the questions relative to the proposed Woodland Terrace plat
relate to the area assessment for the trunk sewer line, to the storm sewer proposals
which include a portion of Mr. Carlson's property, plus the intention to construct the
frontage road south of Bunker Lake Boulevard, which will also go through the north
portion of Mr. Carlson's property. Mr. Davidson stated that their study for the
Southwest Area Improvement project did include a portion of Mr. Carlson's property as
part of an overall system; however, the system could work around the property if need
be, and he explained the proposal as presented at the improvement hearing. He stated
that the additional sizing of the pipe makes it most cost effective to Mr. Carlson's
plat and at the same time can service Chapman's Addition.
Mr. Carlson stated he did not want to be facing early payments of something that is of
no particular value to him at this time. However, he will be very cooperative as long
as it makes sense and it has been looked at from his side as well. He also asked about
the cost of the frontage road and who would remove the trees for that cOnstruction.
Mr. Davidson stated that that will be the overall cost of platting. They are anticipating
constructing the frontage road in the area that was agreed to previously, recalling
it was approximately 80 feet from the centerline of Bunker Lake Boulevard. The cost of
tree removal is part of the overall cost, but anything Mr. Carlson could do to reduce
the overall cost would be prorated back against the entire benefited area. Also, the
sewer line cannot be laid without clearing the frontage road area for it.
It was noted that Mr. Carlson and the TKDA Engineers have a meeting tomorrow morning
at which time most of the questions and problems should be resolved.
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GOOD VALUE HOMES SPECIAL USE PERMIT
Mr. Voth stated that the storm sewer system designed to date was designed by their
engineers and given to TKDA. All financial planning was with the understanding of
without having concrete curb and gutter. It was designed to work without it,
designed cooperatively to anticipate the needs of the commercial area. Mr. Davidson
stated it is designed for adequate drainage without curbs by running the water down the
two-foot grass gutters picking up the water at the low points. Where it can't get away
it is piped. Yes, they can take care of the surface drainage to the 10-year frequency
storm and provide 100-year protection. He felt where water runs greater distances,
that there is going to be some gutter erosion.
Mr. Nelson - stated that they will be using the urban street stanard as supplied by
TKDA of 28-foot wide with 2-foot grass shoulders. Mayor Windschitl felt that with
all the storm sewer pipe, and with the sand washing in, that it would be a real
maintenance problem without some type of curbing. He feared that the storm system
may be unmaintainable and the City may end up having to put in a birm section after
the development is completed. It was noted that the Engineers can require a bituminous
birm where necessary to control drainage.
MOTION by Jacobson, Seconded by Lachinski, entering a Resolution for Special Use Permit
of Good Value Homes for two-family homes within the proposed plat of Northg1en as
presented by the City staff with one exception: the bottom of page one, where it
begins to read Lots 1 through 8 and Lot 24 of Block 4, change after Lots 1 through
6 to: "and 13 through 19 and 21 through 23 of Block 6." (See Resolution R76-80)
DISCUSSION: Attorney Hawkins felt that if the proposal meets the city street standards
and that adequate drainage is being provided for, that concrete curb and gutters could
not be required if it is not part of the city street standards unless there are some
unusual circumstances that it can't be drained under existing street standards.
Mayor Windschit1 felt that the storm drainage pipe will create maintenance nightmares
for the City. Mr. Winner felt that as long as there is grass in the boulevards, the
maintenance problem will not be as severe as in other areas where there is no grass and
sand washes into the catch basins. His largest concern was that since there isn't a
large swale there, whether it can hold all the water off the road before it drains to
the catchbasins in heavier rainfalls. He'd be more comfortable with a section that
has 6-inch, 1-foot deep swa1e off the edge of the pavement. He felt there may be some
water on the edge of the road with this standard street section. With a birm, the
water would run down the pavement at a faster velocity than it can over the grass.
He felt it would be better with a birm. It was noted that the standards require a
birm as required for drainage.
VOTE ON ~10TI ON : YES-Jacobson, Lachinski, Ortte1, Peach; NO-Windschit1
Motion carried.
STORM SEWER COSTS/138TH & UNDERCLIFT/SOUTHWEST AREA PROJECT
Mr. Davidson reviewed the June 17, 1980, memo to the Council and Mayor relative to
the Southwest Area Improvement on the revised area map to delete the area north of
South Coon Creek Drive (although Councilman Orttel has heard there is a petition being
circulated asking for the improvements in that area); the correction on the storm
sewer assessment for the 138th and Underclift area (revising pages 5 and 9 of the
feasibility report to $34,364 spread over the entire area for an assessment rate of
$0.06/ft, for a per-lot cost of $1,508); the cost estimate for a bituminous birm curb
in Chapman's Addition (estimated to be approximately $4 more per front foot for the
increased street width and bituminous birm -- Council agreed that when the Engineers
meet with each property oWner to determine location of sewer stub, that they ask the
residents their feeling on the bituminous curb); and the feasibility of running the trunk
line through the Sonsteby property (estimated to cost approximately double of that going up
Round Lake Boulevard -- Council agreed that the alignment as originally proposed up
Round Lake Boulevard shou1dbe constructed).
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HOUSING PLAN
Discussion was that the plan needs to be amended and updated to correspond with the
City's Comprehensive Development Plan; and that the Council will act on it after that
is completed.
WATER PERMIT - L. WARNEKA
After further discussion, it was felt the Attorney should investigate this further
and possibly publicize it on a P & Z Agenda since it is changing the purpose of a
natural preserve on the lake.
MOTION by Lachinski, Seconded by Jacobson, that we refer the matter of the application
for permit to work in pUblic waters to the City Attorney for subsequent direction to
the P & Z as required. Motion carried unanimously.
AUTHORIZATION FOR 1980 AUDITOR
MOTION by Lachinski, Seconded by Ortte1, that we advertise for request for proposals
for Clty Auditor. Motion carried unanimously.
AWARD CONTRACT - 1980-1, 1980-2
MOTION by Jacobson, Seconded by Peach, a Resolution accepting bids and awardin9 contract
tor the construction of bouth Coon Creek Drive Bridge Approach under the MSAH as
presented in written form to the Council by City Staff (To NDH, Inc., at $17,925).
(See Resolution R77-80) Motion carried unanimously.
Mr. Davidson reviewed the June 16, 1980, report to the Andover City Council on contract
award for 1980 Street and Drainage Improvement No.1.
MOTION by Peach, Seconded by Jacobson, introducing a Resolution accepting bids and
awardlng contract for the construction of those streets in the 1980-1 improvement
project and also those streets in the 1980-2 improvement project located in Section 32,
Township 32, Range 24, as presented in written form by the City Clerk with the one
change: Central Landscaping's price is $119,649.70. (See Resolution R78-80)
DISCUSSION: This includes the section of Eidelweiss Street north of 135th Lane to
its termination.
VOTE ON MOT! ON: YES-Jacobson, Lachinski, Peach, Windschit1; ABSTAIN-Orttel as he is
directly affected by the project. Motion carried.
MOTION by Lachinski, Seconded by Jacobson, that we provide for a change order on the
1980-1 project to repair concrete curb and gutter section on 142nd and Heather with
the funds to come out of the original project fund. Motion carried unanimously.
Discussion was on the installation of a sidewalk on the southeast corner of G1adio1a
and Bunker Lake Boulevard which was overlooked when doing the Meadowcreek streets last
year. It was agreed to put the item on a future Council agenda.
PURCHASE OF TRACTOR
Council discussion was on the June 17, 1980, memo from Larry Winner recommending
purchasing a Case tractor for $2,916, preferring this one because it has larger tires
and is hydrolic driven Council thought that $2,000 was allocated from the Public
Works budget and $1,000 from the Park budget for this tractor.
MOTION by Peach, Se:onded by Ortte1, that the Public Works/Park Department be authorized
to purchase a replacement garden tractor with mower from Blaine True Value Hardware,
a 16 . horsepower Case Tractor with 60-inch mower deck for $2,916, $2,000 coming from
the Public Works Department and the remainder coming from the Park Department, which
includes the trade-in of the Wards Tractor and attachments which is presently being
used. Motion carried unanimously.
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EXTENSION OF THE 79-2 PROJECT
MOTION by Lachinski, Seconded by Orttel, that we grant an extension of time to
Thomas Montgomery Construction Company on Project '79 Street Improvement No.2
until July 21, 1980. Motion carried unanimously.
PARK/RECREATION COMMISSION
Mr. Mand asked if the Council wished to have him pursue acquiring additional land
around the Round Lake area to expand the proposed regional park, which would also
include the LakeRidge park and Andover West proposed park area. It was generally
agreed that Counci 1man Orttel would talk with the representative of Programmed Lands,
the property owners of the land in question, relative to their feelings On the issue,
either dedicating the land or allowing the City to get an option on the property
while the City applies for grant funding.
Mr. Mand also reported a graduate student is interested in doing some park planning,
and he felt that part of the grant money from the Crooked Lake project could be used
as a project for her to begin with. Planning for the site does qualify for expenses
on the project, which can be done before the grant is given final approval. The DNR
has purchased the one parcel north of Crooked Lake which has already been vacated,
it is expected to have the option on another parcel closed shortly, and the last
parcel has been closed but the owner has until March 31, 1981, to remove the buildings
On the site.
Mr. Mand also asked if the peat from the road easement on Mr. Menkve1d's Green Acres
plat could be used for the top dressing on the parks in exchange for some fill from
some of the road projects this year. Mr. Winner was directed to look into it.
MOTION by Peach, Seconded by Jacobson, to adjourn. Motion carried unanimously.
Meeting adjourned at 1:12 a.m.
Respectfully submitted,
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Marcella A. Peach
Recording Secretary