HomeMy WebLinkAboutCC July 17, 1979
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REGULAR CITY COUNCIL MEETING_JULY 17, 1979
AGENDA
(Interview Assessor Applicants - Kuha, Mueleners )
1. Call to Order
2. Resident Forum
3. Agenda Approval
4. Public Hearings
5. Legal and Engineering
a. Discussion _ CAB Interceptor w /Metropolitan Council
b. Terra Firma Estates Variance
* c. Pine Hills Addition Final Plat
d. Countryview Estates Final Plat
* e. Woodland Terrace - Special Use Permit
* f. Stanley Skog Variance
g.
h.
6. Ordinances and Resolutions
a. Equipment Bonds
b. Rum River Ordinance
c. Swimming Pool Ordinance
d. Zoning Map Ordinance (BE)
e. Park Board Ordinance
7. Petitions, Reque sts, Communications
a. Junkyard Licenses
B. Reports of Boards Committees, Commissions
a. Planning and Zoning Commis sion
b. Park and Recreation Comffiis sion
c. Volunteer Fire Department
* d. Liquor Study Committee
e. Personnel Committee
f. Other Committees
9. Old Business
a. Crooked Lake Beach
10. .
New Business
a.
11. Approval of Minutes
.
12. Approval of Claims
13. Adjournment * Items continued from 7/11/79 Meeting
~ o¡ ANDOVER
REGULAR CITY COUNCIL MEETING - JULY 17, 1979
MINUT:::S
The Regular Bi-Monthly Meeting of the Andover City Council was called to order by
Mayor Jerry Windschitl on July 17, 1979, 7:35 p.m., at the Andover City Hall, 1685
Crosstown Boulevard NW, Anoka, Minnesota.
Councilmen present: Jacobson, Lachinski, Orttel, Peach
Councilmen absent: None
Also present: City Attorney, William G. Hawkins; City Engineer, John Davidson;
City Clerk, P. K. Lindquist; and interested residents
Interview Assessor Applicants
The Council interviewed Karen Mueleners and Steven Kuha, applicants for the position
of City Assessor, alternately asking questions of the applicants relative to the
reason they feel the City should hire its own assessor as opposed to having the
County do it, their qualifications, when they would do the physical inspections
necessary, their proposed cost for the job, and if there is anything that would put
them in conflict with the City of Andover.
Karen Mueleners - *Indicated that the County hires on a full-time basis and is able
to provlde better benefits and didn't know if Andover was large enough to have its
own full-time assessor and be able to match benefits. Felt more pride and interest is
exerted by a private assessor versus having the County do it. *Was familiar with
what was involved in assessing the City of Andover and related what she felt the
requirements of the position would be, noting that approximately 900 parcels would have
to be physically inspected per year. * Felt there was more than enough time on
weekends and eveninas to do the inspections prior to the January 2 deadline. She
estimated two evenings a week plus an eight-hour day on Saturdays. She'd set up
appointments for Sunday inspections if a resident so desired. * Is doing physical
inspections at the present time; spent three years with Brooklyn Park; two years
with Coon Rapids. Would like to get more involved with appraising of farms to keep
her experience within that field. * Lives in Fridley, 10 miles from Andover. * Is
working for her State Accreditation, which is a step higher than certification.
* Would do Andover's assessing for $11,500 for total assessment year completed and
ready for Board of Review, including expenses, materials, etc. * Didn't have anything
that would put her in conflict with the City of Andover * Has discussed this with
present employer.
Steven Kuha - * Is always looking for more experience for personal advancement, lives
in the Clty, and feels he has a closer relationship with the people in the City and
would be able to do a better job. * Didn't believe living in the area would be
detrimental to assessing and didn't think there would be any problems. * Doesn't own
any other property other than his residence and has no conflict with his present
position in accepting this one. * His estimate of $8,900 includes all expenses.
* Has been a Certified Assessor since 1975. * Each Assessor is technically working
for the County, and felt there might be a closer communication and more pride because
he lives in the area and would do a better job rather than a county employee coming
in might do. * Felt August through December would be sufficient to complete the
physical inspectiøn necessary. At his present job, 20 inspections a day is average
for a full day. * Doesn't hire any part-time people to help him and didn't foresee
any problem getting the job done with the time remaining. * Present position as
Deputy Assessor entails doing physical inspections, most of the bookwork, responsible
for putting together depreciation schedules and rate schedules for that year. Does
a detailed ratio study at the end of the year on what level of assessment they ended
up with. Attends instructional meetings by the County. Has handled Board of Reviews.
* Lived in Andover since August, 1977. * Would have weekends and evenings available,
and his wife has helped him somewhat in the past on bookwork. * Is not doing any nor
applying for any other part-time position. * Preferred not to work on Sunday unless
a resident would set up an appointment. * Was employed as Deputy Assessor for Wadena
Regular City COI.I,,~il Me€: , ,¡g
July 17, 1979 - Minutes
Page 2
(Interview Assessor Applicants, Continued)
County for Meadow Township. Other years he was employed by the townships themselves.
This item is to be added to the Agenda for Council action.
Resident Forum
Dave Dutton, 4053 Genie Drive - took a petition to neighbors on Genie Drive asking
them lf they would like the Council to reconsider the decision last week to blacktop
the street. There are 23 lots on the street, and he has 12 signatures of those who
would like the street in. All residents know about the petition, some residents
didn't want to sign a petition but are not necessarily opposed, with about three or
four that are opposed. It was Attorney Hawkin's opinion that since the entire project
has been terminated, the legal notice requirements are going to have to be gone through
again. However, Council could go so far as to take bids prior to the public hearing.
Mr. Davidson stated if the Council choses, the plans and specifications could be
prepared as they are surveying the Section 17 project and bids for Genie Drive could
be asked for as an alternate. In the meantime, a public hearing could be held and a
decision made as to whether to order the improvement. Council felt it would be
cheaper if this street could be bid with the larger project. This item is to be
added to the Agenda for Council action.
Agenda Approval
MOTION by Peach, Seconded by Jacobson, that the Agenda as published be approved with
the following additions: Sg, Alladin Acres; Sh, DeGardner Road; Si, Prairie Road
Bridge; Sj, 133rd Avenue Improvement; 9b, Assessor; and lOa, Probationary Increase;
and Delete Sd. Motion carried unanimously.
Discussion - CAB Interceptor with Metropolitan Council
Lee Starr, with the Metro Council's local planning assistance program, and John
Harrington, with the Environmental Planning Division, addressed the Council:---
Mr. Starr explained that the Metro Council is currently reviewing plans and specifications
for the Anoka interceptor. The facility as designed extends from approximately 4,000
feet west of the Anoka plant extending north, branch to the west and east and terminate
at Trunk Highway 47. Anoka has requested that consideration be given to expanding
the scope of the project to include an extension from #47 to the Rum River, as they
would like to provide facilities in that area and want to coordinate the construction
of the metropolitan facility with local utility installation. That extension, along
with the other easterly extension, would hook up with the existing Anoka Northeast
in-place interceptor, which is designed to provide service to western Andover tributary
to what is currently known as CAB Interceptor. Anoka has indicated they have received
letters and Resolutions from Andover supporting the facility as designed within Anoka
and the extension. Metro Council staff is considering the wisdom of constructing
the segment at this time or delaying it until some future date when it would actually
be needed to provide service to western Andover. He wished to clarify the City's
position on this and to get information on local sewer service schedulings. The current
Comprehensive Sewer Plan of Andover indicates that the general timing of service to
this portion of the city is 1985 to 1990. It would be beneficial to them to know
whether that would be closer to 1985 or closer to 1990.
Mayor Windschitl noted the/eF8~~tNª on the Rum at lS9th for CAB Interceptor to service
approximately 2400 people in Andover. The City has a divide line at Round Lake
where it falls one way or the other by gravity, and it was the hope that when sewer
wouldœ installed, that the lift station would not be needed off the Coon Rapids
interceptor. The hope was that at some point the interceptor in place now that is not
being used could be used through the Anoka internal system.
Regular City Council Meeting
July 17, 1979 - Minutes
Page 3
(Discussion - CAB Interceptor with Metro Council, Continued)
Mr. Starr stated it was always the intent that the CAB Interceptor system would
include an eventual extension to the Anoka Northeast. The method through Ramsey
coming across the Rum at 159th into Andover has been rejected primarily because of
cost considerations. The intent in this plan is to service all the area that you
propose to be tributary to the CAB Interceptor from a local system that would receive
its metropolitan sewer connection at the existing terminus at the Anoka Northeast.
He thought it was a 30- or 36-inch facility in place.
Mayor Windschitl stated that there is no development of any significant size in the
western portion of the City. There are a few small lots in the area and a lot of open
area. A portion of the proposed Good Value development may be within the future
service area for the CAB Interceptor, but most of it is within the Coon Rapids interceptor
lines. Mr. Davidson noted that if that CAB interceptor would become available to the
City, the urban service district could be expanded to the east to use the capacity
made available to us through the Coon Rapids interceptor.
Mr. Starr stated that the estimated cost for the extension from #47 to the Rum River
is $600,000. From a metropolitan perspective, they would be somewhat reluctant to
make that kind of investment in a facility that would be under utilized perhaps for
some years to come. However, if Andover's service needs are closer to 1985, they
might reconsider. The completion date for this interceptor is late 1980 or early 1981.
Mayor Windschitl noted that the City has been conservative with the extension of sewer
lines, as we do not want to extend sewer lines and not have them used either. The
present sewer lines are being used. He noted the Woodland Terrace proposed development
of 226 units and it is assumed the sewer line will be extended west for that area.
Mr. Starr noted that the City's Comprehensive Sewer Plans indicated that the subsequent
extension of the sewer line to the west and the north would occur in '76 and 'ì8.
Mayor Windschitl stated that the schedule is behind schedule. The City is essentially
going in an orderly fashion extending trunks as new development occurs. He noted that
it is extremely difficult for the City to project a time as to when the land in the
service district would be developed, noting the land owned by Good Value and the
uncertainty of their plans for development. The Mayor didn't feel that there was an
immediate need for sewer service at this time. He stressed that Andover would like
the capacity from Anoka available to the City from an economic standpoint to avoid
building a lift station for the Coon Rapids interceptor, but there is no pressing need
for it. If it was staged out over a period of time, the City could gauge its development
with it.
Mr. Davidson stated as far as they can tell, the present Comprehensive Sewer Plan
still holds. Of all the areas in Andover where development seems to be eminent, the
area of County Roads 9 and 16 has the greatest growth potential, also noting the
suggested development of Good Value Homes. He wouldn't want to change the Comprehensive
Plan at this point; but if it drastically changes over the next five years, the
schedule probably would need adjusting.
In talking about interim utilization of Anoka's internal system, Mr. Starr didn't
believe there is anything that would restrict that. The issue would be whether or not
Anoka would be willing to enter into some interim arrangement with Andover. One thing
the Metro Council and West Control Commission staff has suggested to Anoka is perhaps
delaying this because Andover's needs do not appear eminent and working out some
arrangements for some limited flow from Andover through the Anoka internal system;
and at such time as developments in Anoka raised the demand for the shared capacity,
they would initiate action to provide the CAB interceptor connection. He didn't
know Anoka's plans, but through they felt there may be some things happening in eastern
Anoka that would require that capacity.
Regular City COL....;il Me!:: _ ,ng
July 17, 1979 - Minutes
Page 4
(Discussion - CAB Interceptor with Metro Council, Continued)
Mr. Starr stated that as of yet a cost benefit analysis has not been made relative to
building it today even though the use may be beyond five years versus delaying it for
the period of time and dealing with the development that may take place adjacent to
it. Such a study may be done.
Council generally agreed that they didn't see an immediate need for the construction
of this extension at this time as long as the City's future service needs in this
area when they occur would be accommodated. The northern portion of the tributary
area in Andover is all larger lots, and there has been no significant problems up
there at all. The City's request for this is because of the lift station question
and the City's ability to move eastward with the urban service line at some point in
the future.
Mr. Dutton - asked when the project would be coming into their area. Mayor Windschitl
stated that this proposal is to cross the Rum considerably below what was presented
before, some where south of the Anoka Senior High School. It wi 11 be many years before
it gets that far, if ever, simply because of the cost of running the interceptor
lines that far. The hope with the City's sewer ordinances is to prevent the line from
being extended.
Terra Firma Estates Variance
Ed Maki, Terra Firma Estates, 405 Andall Street, Lino Lakes, requested a variance to
place a manufactured home onto an R-l district as opposed to an R-5 district.
Mayor Windschitl stated that in looking at the City's ordinances, this is a mobile
home by any definition, including the new Rum River Ordinance defined by the State.
The zoning regulation provides zoning districts for this type of home. He is at the
point of questioning the wisdom or the desire of putting this type of home into a
regular residential area.
Mr. Maki argued that whereas the mobile home has a permanent attached frame with
permanently attached wheels, the manufactured home has temporarily detached wheels
where it will be permanently attached to a basement on site. The home is fully
accepted by the State of Minnesota. The building structure is the same as a stick-
built home except it is built in a factory.
Mayor Windschitl stated that the Council has to decide what they think the definition
is between mobile home, modular home, manufactured home, or conventional built
house. The ordinance we are working with sets aside a zoning district, and he felt
the intent was to try to retain the local districts and to retain similiar-type
developments in them. He felt it was unreasonable to stick another type of development
into one type of development. The fact that one manufactured home got in, however,it
got here, doesn't necessarily mean there has to be two. Assuming the Council would
allow this one, he thought we would then start having difficulties having to sort
through any type of home that could be taken off wheels.
Mr. Maki explained that Terra Firma owns the lot and has sold the lot and house as
a combination. The home is 960 square feet, 24 x 40, similiar to a Wausau home
except it is brought in in two sections. The building permit was applied for by him.
He is building the home for Michael Czech. A loan was approved by FHA on it. Mr.
Maki then showed photographs of the proposed structure. He estimated the average home
in that neighborhood would sell for $52,000 with a garage, and he felt that his manu-
factured home was camparable to a stick-built home per square foot, according to FHA
appraisers. They have optional 4-12 pitch roofs, but that is not what this person chose.
Councilman Jacobson personally had trouble with the definition in the ordinance and
felt it was outdated; however, according to the definition in the Ordinance, it does
not fit in an R-l district. Councilman Orttel stated that it appears that they are
Regular City COLA".:il ~le(:_ .flg
July 17, 1979 - Minutes
Page 5
(Terra Firma Estates Variance)
built like a stick-built home, but they certainly don't look like a stick-built home,
and that is the problem the neighborhood has with it -- 12-3 pitch" l-foot overhangs,
etc. They are paying for these options in the stick-built home in the existing
neighborhood, and the difference is instantly noticeable.
Attorney Hawkins stated they are treating this as a manufactured home according to
their application, which, under our Ordinance, would be in an R-5 district. The
issue is that a manufactured home needs a variance to be put in the R-l district. He
explained that the State Building Code only governs the construction of homes, it
doesn't govern the location of them. It is entirely up to the City if they want to
set classifications for the various housing units and restrict them. There is a
question whether or not there is a valid distinction between a manufactured house and
a single-family stick house so as to treat them differently. That would be an issue
for the court to raise as to whether or not we're making a valid distinction in
separating the two. The ordinance when it was adopted seemed to suggest there is.
There has been talk about depreciating property values, appearance differences, etc.,
and those would be the arguments the City would put forth in substantiating its
separation of these two housing units.
Testimony from residents was taken:
Lloyd Reimann, 2813 142nd Avenue - felt the city should follow the ordinances. This
house lS belng sold for $44,000 without land; houses in that neighborhood are selling
for $64,000 or more with the land. There is a high water table there, and he felt that
it is the wrong area for a rambler. The split entry next door has water in its
basement. If the ordinance would ever be changed to allow these in, even in an R-S,
he suggested that an attached garage be required, as that makes it look that much
nicer in an area.
Paul Ness, ¿83~ 142nd Avenue - lives across the street and one house down from this
vacant lot. He Just purchased into the neighborhood and is familiar with the values
ln the area. He is very concerned with the possibility of bringing in what he considers
a lower level in the neighborhood. An FHA Inspector commented two weeks ago that just
vlewing the neighborhood he could point out the modular home and said this is one
thing that does bring down the value ln the neighborhood. In tne Inspector's jUdgement,
this is one thing that may devalue his property. His neighbor has a rambler, and they
constantly have water problems; apparentlY burning uut 7 sump pumps in the last five
years because ot the water table. Ihe other manutactured home in the neighborhood
does stand out.
John Howard, 2824 142nd Avenue - When ne bought his lot, Gilbert Menkveld made him
sign a contract statlng ne would bUlld an attached garage within one year so that he
didn't depreciate the value of the property in the area. Mr. Maki stated that this
home does not have an attached garage, but he thought it was planned to build one
next year.
Owen Jordet, 2613 140th Lane NW - talked with Mr. Maki about the type of construction
used in the building, and it sounded comparable; but after some consultation with the
neighbors and after seeing some of the homes that are a derivative of his product,
he is opposed. A 12-3 pitch bothered him, as he felt it is not right for Minnesota
winters. He was concerned with styrofoam in the walls and wires for metal strapping
to brace the walls. From what he has seen, the houses look rather cheap and not
comparable to what is in the neighborhood. He asked Mr. Maki several questions on
the construction of the home to which Mr. Maki replied that they use 16-inch centers;
double plates, truss rafters; house dimentions are 24 x 40 with no garage; full 11-
course basement, 12-inch block; brought in on a trailer in two sections; CDX plywood
sheeting; masonite siding; 2x8 floor joists with 2xlO rim joists for additional
strength to the exterior; roof pitch is enough to insulate the attic.
Regular City CO~n_iljMe& oIg
July 17, 1979 - Minutes
Page 6
(Terra Firma Estates Variance)
Wayne Newhouse, 2624 140th Lane NW - just moved into the area. 140th is developed
except for the lot across from his house. He wouldn't care for one of these houses
to be built across from his lot after he paid the price he has. It's a big investment
in the $60,000 area.
Steve Nichols, 2634 140th Lane - is the outside appearance going to look like the other
modular home? Mr. Makl stated it would be similiar. Mr. Nichols - it doesn't belong
in that neighborhood.
Mr. Maki stated that dealers have sold higher priced manufactured homes, and asked if
a higher-priced home was put in there, would it be acceptable? Discussion between
Council and Mr. Maki was again on the City's justification for that type of housing
being placed in its own district and on the fundamental problems of the house's
exterior appearance, with Mr. Maki arguing that it meets the uniform building standards
of the City and State and that the Council is discriminating against a house. Mayor
Windschitl asked who reimburses the existing resident across the street or next door
that has a substantial devaluation because this type of house appears. He felt the
elected officials have an obligation to protect the residents that are here.
Attorney Hawkins clarified that if the Council is going to deny the Variance, the
reason it would not be approved is that there is a difference in housing units just
as there is a difference between mobile homes and single family housing; and the courts
have upheld the discrimination and the separation of those two units. We are not
excluding them from the City, but we want them located in one separate section
where that type of unit is compatible with the surrounding housing units, just like
mobile homes are located in one section, businesses in one section, apartment buildings
in another, etc.
MOTION by Jacobson, Seconded by Peach, to deny a Variance for Terra Firma Estates for
the construction of a manufactured housing unit on Parcel 2835 of the Green Acres
Subdivision, City of Andover, for the following reaSOnS: 1) That by definition of
Ordinance 8, Section EEE and Ordinance No.6, Section la, such manufactured housing
is not permitted in an R-l District; 2) Manufactured housing by definition is only
allowed in an R-S District; 3) The granting of such a variance would tend to devaluate
existing property in the area; and 4) There was public opposition to the granting
of the variance. (See Resolution R60-9) Discussion: Councilman Jacobson stated
he appreciated Mr. Maki's problem and still has a problem with the definition as the
City has it, and he'd like to see the Council ask the Planning and Zoning Commission
to look at the definition to see if it can be better defined to be more applicable.
P & Z Chairman d'Arcy Bosell stated they will deal specifically with that definition
at the next P & Z meeting.
Mr. Reimann - asked if Mr. Maki would put that home in the middle of a trailer court,
because that would put him in the same position the residents are in now. Mr. Maki
replied he would not put it in a trailer court, and it would not be allowed there.
Dennis Simpson, Forest Lake, Terra Firma - has been a contractor for 16 years. He
knows and has sold the house, and believes in the home. It is not going to devalue
any of the other houses in the area. If anything, it is going to improve the area.
The only thing they are complaining about is that it doesn't have an attached garage
and it comes in on wheels. The home itself is better built than he built his own home.
Ronde Peterson, 2835 142nd Avenue - lives directly across the street in the rambler.
She has terrible water problems. Nobody would want to live there and build a full
basement. Mayor Windschitl replied that the Building Inspector would be requiring
whatever water tests are necessary. Attorney Hawkins also stated that there is another
manufactured home located there, but that was never approved by the City as the permit
was issued without consultation with the Councilor Attorney; and we don't acknowledgå
that that is properly there at this point in time.
Motion carried unanimously.
Regular City C,_oIcil f1e, .ng
July 17, 1979 - Minutes
Page 7
Recess at 9:12; reconvene at 9:23 p.m.
Pine Hills Addition Final Plat
Engineer Davidson stated they have inspected the street and recommended acceptance
subject to the last density tests and subject to a maintenance bond of $1500. He
understood those tests were taken today but results are not yet known. Attorney
Hawkins stated he received the abstract yesterday and has not yet, had a chance to
review it. He should have that done within the next week. On the discussion of the
temporary cul de sac on lS9th, it was thought that it is a separate document from the
final plat, and the motion should include the receipt of the properly executed
documents of the various easements.
Mr. O'Malley - stated he did not yet have copies of the hard shells and has not yet
received approval from the County Surveyor. It was noted that the Council has
nothing to approve if the final plat is not here, as normalJY the hard shells are
here when the final plat is approved.
MOTION by Jacobson, Seconded by Lachinski, to delay action on Pine Hills Addition
Final Plat until the first regularly scheduled meeting in the month of August to allow
for review by the Attorney of legal matters and the Engineer of data that is not yet
available to him and review by the Anoka County Surveyor. Motion carried unanimously.
Woodland Terrace - Special Use Permit
Robert Parta, Attorney in Anoka, represented Mr. Carlson, who could not be present
this evening.
Attorney Hawkins reviewed the Resolution he had drafted for approval of the Special
Use Permit for Woodland Terrace including the quad- and twin-home layout, overall
layout, the reasons found in the P & Z recommendation, contingent upon review and
acceptance of the final plat, providing that the quad- and twin-units have a maximum
square feet per unit of 1200, and providing that before issuance of building permits
the organizational documents for the Homeowners' Association and the restrictive
convenents covering the parcels within the proposed development are provided.
Mayor Windschitl informed Wes Mand, Park Board Chairman, of some of the Council's
concern over the park dedication of the ability of the area to handle the open space
aspects of the development with this type of density (Reference Council Minutes of
July 11, 1979, meeting). Mr. Mand stated they haven't done any comparison with other
cities that have similiar-type housing. Chairman Bosell explained that the plat
has not been approved and the question of the park dedication is still very negotiable.
This is before the Council in a conceptual stage only to get all concerns prior to
time and expense spent by the developer on the plat.
Mr. Hawkins explained that the documents provided by Mr. Carlson of a typical quad
drawing, a typical twin home drawing and conceptual preliminary plat are incorporated
into the Special Use Permit. The overall plan is to show how the lots were joined
and everything ties together, not as a plat layout. However, we're only concerned
with the development as it applies to each individual lot and how the buildings will
be situated on each lot. He saw no problem with leaving out the proposed plat map
if the Council chose to do so. Mayor Windschitl was concerned with Section 3 in the
Resolution and wondered if that would bind the City to that specific layout when the
preliminary plat actually has not yet been approved. He felt more comfortable if that
was not incorporated in the Special Use Permit.
MOTION by Lachinski, Seconded by Peach, introducing a Resolution for Special Use
Permlt for Lawrence B. Carlson ... (...showing a quad and twin home layout for the
property described in Part 1...) (...adjacent property values...correction on second
page, part b) (Special Use Permit for the proposed area known as Woodland Terrace
for planned unit development in accordance with plans submitted to the City) (See
Resolution R61-9) Discussion: Mr. Parta noted that he has not discussed the
Regul ar City COullcil Mee. dIg
July 17, 1979 - Minutes
Page 8
(Woodland Terrace - Special Use Permit, Continued)
Homeowners' Association with Mr. Carlson, and stated the way it is proposed it is
conceivable that there may not be a Homeowners' Association. Mayor Windschitl stated
that Mr. Carlson stated there would be. Mr. Hawkins stated the question is whether
you sell just the home area or the entire lot. Selling the entire lot, there would be
no common area and everyone would maintain their own yards. If he sold just the
building site, you would have to have a Homeowners' Association. This section was
put in the Resolution because Mr. Carlson had indicated that he would be selling just
the building itself and that he wanted to protect his investment.
VOTE ON MOTION: YES-Lachinski, Orttel, Peach, Windschitl; NO-Jacobson
t10tion carried.
Councilman Jacobson - When I looked at the layouts of the doubles and the quads, I
remembered that by approving the motion as read I would be approving that type of
housing there. I am not opposed to a PUD development; I just don't think what is
proposed is what I consider to be a PUD housing. I consider it to be something in
the center with green area around it and other things. By voting for this motion as
worded, I would be committed to the doubles and quads on lots as they are, and I
don't feel that that is the right kind of PUD development. I'm not opposed to the PUD
per se.
Stanley Skog Variance
Mr. Hawkins has contacted the State Building Division. The garage is categorized
under Group M occupancy, which a private garage cannot exceed 1,000 square feet in
area. The other alternative would be to call it a commercial building and vary from
it to allow him to have a commercial building in that zone, or to require him to put
a wall up. There are no provisions to vary from that section in the Building Code.
Discussion was on the events that occurred; that the Council has no alternative but
to deny the Variance because they do not have the authority to vary from the Building
Code; that Mr. Skog was told that the City had no authority and it was his insistence
to proceed with the variance request; and therefore, it was generally agreed that the
variance fee should not be refunded.
MOTION by Jacobson, Seconded by Peach, that the City of Andover deny the Variance
request by Mr. Stanley Skog at 577 lS8th Avenue to vary from the State Building Code
to build a garage in excess of 1,000 square feet. Reasons for the denial are the
State Building Code does not authorize the construction of a private garage in excess
of 1,000 square feet, and there is no provision for the City Council, City of Andover,
to vary from the State Building Code. (See Resolution R62-9)
VOTE ON MOTION: YES-Jacobson, Lachinski, Peach, Windschitl; NO-Orttel
Motion carried.
Alladin Acres
Attorney Hawkins advised that to expedite the project the Council can treat it as a
4/5 project and initiate it on your own Resolution. Mr. Davidson stated that holding
a public hearing in 30 days as required by 429 proceedings would detain the project,
as they projected awarding bids for the Section 17 road improvement project on
August 21. He also stated they would be able to keep the costs of the Alladin Acres
project separate from the project already ordered.
MOTION by Orttel, Seconded by Jacobson, that August 7 be set as the date for Public
Hearlng on Street and Storm Sewer Improvements in the Alladin Acres Addition, and
that the individuals concerned be notified as such; and that the Engineering Firm of
TKDA be authorized to prepare final plans and specifications for the project so as to
allow it to be bid as an alternate to the rest of the improvement area; as a feasibility
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(Alladin Acres, Continued)
study was prepared, the project was terminated, and we have now had a request to re-
instate it. (See Resolution R63-9) Motion carried unanimously.
DeGardner Road
There was a brief discussion on the confusion over whether or not Mr. DeGardner needed
to put bituminous surfacing on the road, which the Council approved its location on
July 11, 1979. The Resolution passed by the Council on requiring bituminous surfacing
was applicable to all preliminary plats and all other streets proposed for acceptance
and maintenance by the City not filed as of June 5, 1979. The Clerk noted that the
lower portion of the propsoed road was filed prior to June S. It was the Council's
recollection that all proposals prior to June 5 had been denied by the Council.
The Clerk was directed to research as to the date the plans for the lower portion of
the proposed road were filed with the City to find out if DeGardner had an active
application as of June 5.
Prairie Road Bridge
Mr. Davidson stated the plans and specifications for the bridge approaches have been
prepared. To use State Aid funds, it must be designed to minimum rural State Aid
standards of 50 mph. 1300 feet of roadway must beoconstructed starting approximately
900 feet south of Andover Boulevard. The Council has received a letter relating to
rural versus urban section costs, in that it is less costly building to rural standards.
The estimated cost for grading and base work is $42,741.50. If it is not blacktopped
at this time, the State Aid Division must have a definite year in which it will be
blacktopped. He suggested bidding the blacktop as a unit that can be added or deleted
as the Council chooses. Attorney Hawkins reported he has received the easement
descriptions and will be contacting the owners. He didn't know if there would be any
problem acquiring easements or not. The Council expressed concern that easements had
not yet been acquired; Mr. Davidson advised that the contract not be awarded until
the easements are acquired. He has set the completion date by August 31.
MOTION by Lachinski, Seconded by Jacobson, that we approve the Plans and Specifications
as prepared by TKDA for the bridge approach on the Prairie Road Bridge Project and
to authorize TKDA to advertise for bids. (See Resolution R64-9) Discussion: Bids
can be held for 30 days; and if there is a problem obtaining the right of way, we
can extend that 30 days with the contractor's approval. Attorney Hawkins stated the
City will know within the 30 days whether the easement is acquired or whether condemnation
is required. Motion carried unanimously.
Surfacing 133rd Avenue
Mr. Davidson reported they have received the feasibility study from Consulting
Engineers Diversified from Coon Rapids to surface 133rd Avenue. They are holding
a public hearing in Coon Rapids on August 7. Normally in circumstances like this
Andover should hold a public hearing for its residents affected to determine whether
it is a feasible improvement for them and order it the same as through a 429 procedure.
The estimated cost per front foot is $35.99 for the street portion and $12.78 per
front foot for driveways, with the entire cost for the City of Andover at $37,747
for 747 feet of frontage assessable. It was the Council's feeling that the costs in
the feasibility report were extremely high and that a representative from TKDA should
attend the public hearing in Coon Rapids to obtain all the facts.
Equipment Bonds
Attorney Hawkins explained he solicited two quotations on the sale of the City's $85,000
equipment Certificates of Indebtedness to finance the purchase of the new road grader.
The State Bank in Anoka indicated they were unable to bid at this time; the First
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(Equipment Bonds, Continued)
National Bank indicated they woùld purchase the entire issue at 6 percent simple
interest. It is set up on a five-year basis with equal installments of $17,000.
He recommended adoption of the Resolution awarding the Certificates to the First
National Bank. By law the City is required to levy 5 percent in excess of the
principal and interest due in anyone year less the amount pledged for the repayment.
In the Resolution, he provided for a tax levy in 1980 of $23,205, and it reduces
itself as the principal is paid off. Because there is nothing budgeted for this
specifically at this time, we must levy for 1980 for that amount. The levy can be
canceled if the funds are put in a separate account for this. The City doesn't end
up levying any more, but by law you are required to put this on as a special levy to
'guarantee payment of any indebtedness.
MOTION by Lachinski, Seconded by Jacobson, entering a Resolution authorizing issuance
of Certificates of Indebtedness prescribing certificate form and making tax levy as
presented by the Attorney for the purpose of paying for a motor grader. (See
Resolution R65-9) Motion carried unanimously.
Liquor Study Committee
Jim Elling, Chairman of the Liquor Study Committee, reviewed the Committee's
recommendation of a lease-space arrangement for municipal off-sale liquor and a
private on-sale with restaurant facilities. He expressed disappointment in the public
hearing as there wasn't much public representation. In talking with the residents,
he didn't find the kind of opposition to liquor as was found at the public hearing.
He stressed the importance of the location of a municipal liquor store, noting that
ideally the corner of Bunker Lake and Round Lake Boulevards would be a good location.
But he has heard there is public opposition to getting liquor in there. He also
stated that if Andover doesn't do it, it is likely that there will be one in the Anoka
shopping mall on the southwest corner. The primary reason for the recommendation is
for the controlling of liquor within the City.
Mayor Windschitl thanked Mr. Elling and the Committee for the efforts they put forth.
Mr. Elling stated he has all the information and data that they based their recommenda-
tion on.
Discussion was on the law requiring a city, once it reaches a population of 10,000,
to have a general election on the municipal off-sale portion; that if it were voted out
there is a provision for selling the municipal off-sale to private enterprise; that
the city could decide to go with municipal off-sale but not start a store immediately;
that the law also requires an election if the city is desiring to split liquor as
recommended by the Committee; that probably the best argument for providing private
on-sale is to attract a restaurant to the city; that there has been several requests
for both on- and off-sale liquor and these people are waiting for a decision from the
city; that as a rule, people are against a liquor establishment in the residential
area which is the reason for the recommendation of placing them in the General Business
and Light Industrial zones; that the Committee recommended on-sale licenses issued
by lottery based on population, one per year; but that there are problems with this
for the person desiring the license as to coordinating his building with obtaining
the license; that according to State law the City can only issue a maximum of six
private licenses with the Committee recommending one license for every 3500 people;
and once the City issues private on-sale licenses, it has the right to revoke it as well.
Further discussion was that the Council did not wish to have all municipal liquor,
but there was mixed feelings about all private liquor or split liquor in the City.
Councilman Jacobson argued against having liquor in any form, as the law reads that
the only reason the City has to go into private or municipal liquor business is to
control liquor within the City. It seem~g}f you don't issue any licenses, you effectively
control the issue. He felt the fairest/ to put it up for a vote on the next general
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(Liquor Study Committee, Continued)
election ballot in the City. Councilman Peach argued that if all surrounding municipalities
issue liquor, it is coming in on all sides and we are not controlling it but just
i gnori ng it. The Mayor stated that municipal off-sale can be an awful headache if
they are not run right; and it becomes a question of how involved you want your City
staff to become as it adds a fairly significant work load to the City Hall.
The Attorney stated that it is illegal for the City to spend funds on an advisory
election to determine whether the residents want liquor at all. If the Council is
leaning toward split liquor, which requires an election, the normal phraseology in
the election would be shall the City issue private on-sale licenses to restaurants
and hotels and engage in or retain the public off-sale. When the City reaches 10,000
population, based on the last Federal decennial census, just the issue of the City
engaging in public off-sale liquor has to be voted on again.
Mayor Windschitl asked if the City could issue private on-sale in conjunction with a
restaurant and have the City reserve the right to either issue off-sale privately or
go municipal at some pOint in the future, kind of a reverse split liquor. He had
serious reservations about a City our size getting involved in a municipal operation
at this point in time from the ability to manage it. After further discussion, the
Attorney was directed to look into adopting an ordinance setting out the issuance of
private on-sale for those who have qualifying restaurants and hotels, with the City
at this point not getting involved with any liquor at all. Mr. Hawkins explained that
the ordinance is the document under which the City issues the licenses, and in that
any restrictions would be placed, which usually controls to which establishments the
licenses are issued. He knew the City can issue on-sale private; the question is if
it is going to have an effect on the City's right to become involved with off-sale.
He will research this further and report at the August 7 Council.
Councilman Jacobson stated that he would vote against allowing the sale of liquor within
the City.
Planning and Zoning Commission Report
Chairman Bosell requested a joint meeting with Council and P & Z to review the updated
Comprehensive Plan. The Council requested a representative from Midwest Planning be
present as well.
MOTION by Jacobson, Seconded by Peach, that we have a joint meeting with the Planning
and Zoning Commission on Wednesday, August 8, 7:30, to review with Midwest Planning
an update of the Community Development Plan. Motion carried unanimously.
Park/Recreation Commission
Wes Mand, Chairman, indicated that the low bid for the fence for the Crooked Lake
access was $895; and the Council previously authorized up to $800. Discussion was
On the need for that fence, as a nuisance to the adjacent property owner is being
created by people using the boat landing. This fence will stay there even after the
DNR purchases the additional property for improving the boat landing.
MOTION by Lachinski, Seconded by Jacobson, that we authorize a total of $900 for the
purchase and installation of a chain link fence on the Crooked Lake Boat access.
Motion carried unanimously.
In discussion on the percentage of park dedication required by developers, it was
requested that the ordinance previously reviewed by the Council and sent back to the
Park Board for changes be brought before the Council again as soon as possible. There
are some questions relative to the percentage of park dedication when high-density
developments are being propsed in the City.
Councilman Orttel noted that there has been some resident opposition and concern to the
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(Park/Recreation Commission, Continued)
proposed improvement of the boat landing on Crooked Lake, and he suggested that the
Park/Recreation Commission hold a public hearing on it to get resident input. Mr.
Mand stated the City would have the ability to control the number of parking spaces
and can physically limit the ability of the boat landing to carry too large of a boat.
Volunteer Fire Department
Fire Chief Bob Palmer presented the Council with an updated roster of fire fighters and
the June fire calls. He also stated that he was at the Ham Lake Council meeting last
night, and they have approved the Mutual Aid Agreement between Andover and Ham Lake.
This is the agreement that the Attorney drafted previously.
MOTION by Orttel, Seconded by Peach, that the City approve the Reciprocal Fire Service
Agreement between the City of Andover and the City of Ham Lake as,prepared by the
Andover City Attorney and as amended and signed and presented to us by the City of
Ham Lake, and authorize the Mayor and Clerk and Fire Chief to enter into the Agreement.
Discussion: The Chief stated most of the time One tanker with three people is sent
over for mutual aid, and he didn't think that would present a problem. For the most
part there has been five or six people responding to fires during the day. The
Attorney had no problems with the Agreement as written. All liability for accidents
outside the City are covered by insurance. Motion carried unanimously.
Chief Palmer stated it is the Fire Department's recommendation that the $5,000
proposed to be given to the Fire Department for a relief association be divided to
$2,500 for the Relief Association and $2,500 to the fire fighters for responding to
fires, drills, etc., the amount to be determined on a point system.
MOTION by Orttel, Seconded by Lachinski, that we authorize the City Attorney and Fire
Chlef to sit down and draft the organizational papers for the Firemen's Relief
Association.
VOTE ON MOTION: YES-Jacobson, Lachinski, Orttel, Windschitl; ABSTAIN-Peach, as he
is a member of the Fire Department. Motion carried.
Fire Chief Palmer requested that the City pay for the firemen's badges for their
uniforms. The badges will always stay within the City. It amounts to 35 badges
for $352.80. The Council generally had no problem with the request. The Clerk was
directed to make a recommendation as to where the money would come from.
MOTION by Orttel, Seconded by Lachinski, that the City Council authorize the addition
of a sliding step platform for the pump operator on the new pumper truck at a cost of
$150 to be taken from the bond money for the Fire Department. Motion carried unanimously.
MOTION by Lachinski, Seconded by Peach, to authorize the Fire Department to purchase
an RS-10 rescue kit from Advance Ambulance and Equipment Sales, Inc., from funds
donated by the Anoka State Bank and First National Bank. Discussion: Lowest
quote was $1,023; other quotes were on the same equipment. Motion carried unanimously.
The Clerk was directed to draft a letter of thanks to the City of Ramsey for allowing
the Fire Department to park in their building.
There was a lengthy discussion on all the discrepancies found in the Public Services
Building. The contract provides for a $100 a day fine for every day past the completion
date that the building is not finished; the completion date was to be June 2, 1979.
Councilman Peach reported that the PSB Committee met with Mr. Heer on July 2, where
he indicated he would have most of the items completed on Thursday and Friday of that
week. They inspected the building again on July 10, and there were still 106 items,
about 20 items had been done, but the Committee found 20 more deficiencies. To his
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(Volunteer Fire Department, Continued)
knowledge, the State Electrical Inspector has not given final approval either. The
Committee doesn't feel the building is substantially complete because there is
thousands of dollars of work yet to be done. Councilman Peach is scheduled to meet
with Mr. Heer and the presidents of his corporation and that of the Overhead Door
Corporation at the building tomorrow morning to look at these items. It was noted
that the final payment, approximately $60,000, has not been paid yet. Councilman
Peach has asked TKDA to evaluate this list of discrepancies to provide a dollar amount
of the work to be done. Discussion was on whether or not the City should begin
enforcing the liquidated damages of $100 a day; and if so, when that should be imposed.
MOTION by Peach, Seconded by Jacobson, that the Attorney be authorized to send a letter
to Bloomberg, Inc., notifying them that they are in violation of their contract
which expired on June 2, and that we are holding them responsible for liquidated
damages; and direct the City Attorney to pursue the matter. Motion carried unanimously.
Discussion was on the establishing of a pOlicy on how City personnel who are fire
fighters should be paid for fire calls during the working day. The Clerk indicated
incidences where employees would have to leave a job during the normal working day
to fight a fire and then would have to, because of the nature of the job, return to
work and put in overtime hours to complete the job. The question is whether or not
they would be paid overtime, straight time, or nothing because of the fires. There
was at one time a statement that the Fire Department budget would be charged for
employees responding to fires during the working hours. Chief Palmer indicated that
the Department has no problem with paid City employees.
The Clerk was directed to draft a policy for Council approval that a person should be
paid for 40 hours a week; and if a fire necessitated over 40 hours, then nothing
additional would be paid.
Personnel Committee
MOTION by Jacobson, Seconded by Orttel, that we appoint to the Personnel Committee
Mrs. Luella Walch, who lives at 2938 141st Avenue NW, City of Andover. Motion carried
unanimously.
MOTION by Lachinski, Seconded by Peach, to accept the resignation of Tom Babcock
from the Finance Committee. Motion carried unanimously.
Swimming Pool Ordinance
MOTION by Orttel, Seconded by Lachinski, that the Swimming Pool Ordinance be adopted
as written and amended by the Planning Commission and amended to read: or all
outdoor points of entry, in Section 3B. Motion carried unanimously.
City Assessor
Council discussion was on hiring an assessor for the City. During the process of
elimination, the choices were narrowed to the County of Anoka or Steven Kuha. Concern
was expressed by several Councilmen about the ability of a part-time assessor to
complete the physical inspections prior to the deadline and also of the potential
problem of hiring an assessor from your own city.
MOTION by Peach, Seconded by Lachinski, that the City appoint Steven W. Kuha as City
Assessor for this year at a fee of $8,900. Discussion: It was again questioned
whether a part-time person could physically do all the inspections necessary without
working Sundays.
VOTE ON MOTI ON: YES-Lachinski, Peach; NO-Jacobson, Orttel, Windschitl
Motion defeated.
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(City Assessor, Continued)
MOTION by Jacobson, Seconded by Orttel, that we accept the bid by the County of Anoka
as per their letter of May 31, 1979, to do the assessing within the City of Andover
for a period of one year with an option of a one-year renewal.
VOTE ON MOTI ON: YES-Jacobson, Orttel, Windschitl; NO-Lachinski, Peach
Motion carried.
Approval of Claims
MOTION by Jacobson, Seconded by Orttel, that we approve Claims of Check Numbers 2600
through 2603 in the total amount of $9,619.15 from the General Fund. Motion carried
unanimously.
MOTION by Jacobson, Seconded by Orttel, to approve Check Number 288 in the amount of
$7,981.48; Check 289, $50,474.62; Check 290, $20,469.35; Check 291, $11,581.25;
Check No. 292, $18,308.18; and Check 293, $2,619.86. Motion carried unanimously.
MOTION by Peach, Seconded by Orttel, to adjourn. Motion carried unanimously.
Meeting adjourned at 12:44 a.m.
Respectfully submitted,
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