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HomeMy WebLinkAboutPH May 11, 1978 ., -~-- . ~ 01 ANDOVER MEADOWCREEK PUBLIC HEARING - MAY 11, 1978 MINUTES A Public Hearing on the review and discussion on the proposed storm sewer and street improvement for the area known as Meadowcreek Estates was called to order by Mayor Windschitl on May 11, 1978, 7:30 p.m., at the Andover City Hall, 1685 Crosstown Blvd. N.W. Councilpersons Present: Lachinski, McClure, Orttel and VanderLaan Councilpersons Absent: None Also Present: City Engineer, D. R. Kasma; City Clerk, P. K. Lindquist, Mr. Kinghorn, Meadowcreek Baptist Church; and interested residents Mr. Kasma explained the proposed storm sewer system which would consist of two outlets into Crooked Lake. One at the southern end of Heather and Jonquil Sts. and an emergency overflow which would discharge into the lake in times of extremely wet years. Another one would be at 136th & Jonquil which would drain into the existing 18" culvert under Bunker Lake Blvd. and drain into the Meadowcreek Baptist Church Pond. The streets would consist of a 4" gravel base and 1 1/2" bituminous surface, 32 ft. in width with concrete curb and gutter. The total cost of the project is an estimated $256,900.00. Both the storm sewer and street would be assessed on a front footage basis. The estimated cost per front foot on the storm sewer is $7.85 and streets, $18.85. A typical 100 ft.. lot would be assessed at approximately $2670.00. On 20 years at 7% interest, the annual payment would be $253.00. If the project was ordered tonight, it could be complete by October 1st and the assessment would appear on the 1979 taxes. The storm sewer drainage would not solve the weed problem in the lake but with bituminous streets there will be less sand and dirt washing in. Also, if the Meadowcreek Baptist Church approves the use of their pond, an alternate ponding area would not have to be proposed and the area north of Bunker Lake Blvd. would not be assessed. If the Church would not grant an easement for the use of their pond, they would have to lay new pipe and these northern properties would benefit from the storm sewer construction. The storm sewer assessment could be on a square footage basis as was done in other areas, but on the lots abutting Crooked Lake, only approx. 40 ft. would be assessable and the majority of the inner lots would be fully assessed. The storm sewer figured on front footage would be much fairer since all properties would benefit equally from the project. Also to assess on a square footage basis would add to the project cost in that the engineering costs would be greater since they would have to survey each lot and shoot elevations. Councilperson Lachinski asked Mr. Kasma whether curb and gutter is needed on the service road. Mr. Kasma didn't have an answer but, if the project is ordered, they will look into it and decide what is best for the people and the City of Andover. In order to further reduce the cost of the project there will be no seed or sod in the contract. There will be a minimum of 3" topsoil. If driveways have to be torn up during the construction, they will replace whatever is damaged. If the property ovmers want blacktop up to their garage, they will have to make arrangements with the contractor. Mayor Windschitl asked Mr. Kinghorn if he had any comments. Mr. Kinghorn stated the congregation met last evening and it was a unanimous decision they would like to be of service to the community and the City of Andover and would be happy to allow them to use the pond. One stipulation was they would like ihe Church to always own the pond and another that the pond remain as it is, a scenic spot. ~Ær. Kasma stated these stipulations are no problem. The City Attorney will make the necessary arrangements to obtain an easement Meadowcreek Pur,. ~ Hearing May 11, 1978 - Minutes Page 2 from the Church. Mayor Windschitl thanked the Church for their cooperation. Testimony was then open to the pUblic. Don Wick, 13617 Heather St. N.W. - questioned if all that storm sewer pipe is needed, especially the area around l35th and Heather. Mr. Kasma said if they can eliminate some of the pipe in the final design, they will. Mr. Wick stated his main concern was the cost since it would mean he would be paying a dollar a day for this project over the next 20 years. Ed Petsuch, 3060 Bunker Lake Blvd. N.W. - asked what the figures were on the petition. Mayor Windschitl said there were 44 yes votes, 35 nos, 17 of which are parcels owned by a construction company, and 7 no opinions. Mr. Petsuch would like the dust problem eliminated. Bituminous streets would solve that and hoped the Church planned on either laying bituminous or at least an oil base on their road across the street from his house. Mr. Petsuch then reminded the affected residents not only will they be paying a special assessment on their taxes, but the improvement will raise the value of their property and they will end up paying more in total. real estate taxes. In the discussion that followed on what taxes are based on, estimated value, limited value or assessed value, Mayor Windschitl read the following excerpt from a property tax calculation sheet: "Basically, the ASSESSED VALUE times MILL RATE equals PROPERTY TAX... 11 Also questioned was why the service road along Bunker Lake Blvd. has to be paved. Mr. Kasma said the service road was a part of the plat as a service road is a County requirement. Steve Simonds, 13404 Jonquil St. N.W. - asked what the increase would be on a $3,000.00 improvement. He was told it varied due to the fludUation in mill rates. He then asked how often there would be an extremely wet year. Mr. Kasma said every 10 years. Mr. Simonds also asked if there were any grant funds available to help finance projects like this. No one was aware of any. Ron Wolfe, 13601 Heather St. N.W. - questioned the reason for the front footage storm sewer assessment as opposed to the square footage and wanted to know if the Council had any preference. Mayor Windschitl stated in previous projects there were some parcels not assessed at all for storm sewer and the argument is that the entire area is benefitted and, therefore, should be assessed equally. Mr. Wolfe then asked if they could get any credit if they put in a concrete driveway instead of blacktop. Mr. Kasma thought some consideration could be given to this but at this time he did not know what or how much. Councilperson Lachinski asked what the policy was on driveway width. Mr. Kasma said they haven't set any minimum since most people in a residential area want a 12, 16 or 24' driveway, and they haven't run into anything unreasonable. Don Emmerich, Emmerich Construction - asked why they were using insurmountable curbs insteal of surmountable. Mr. Kasma said insurmountable is a permanent curb and keeps traffic in the street. Mr. Emmerich questioned the cost difference and tIT. Kasma stated there wasn't that much differenÅ“in cost and the insurmountable is a better curb. Meadowcreek is an almost fully developed area - if it was a new area to be developed, they would use surmountable in order to avoid curb cuts. Councilperson McClure stated there was a question in his mind as to this Council's policy on putting water in the lake. It has been his understanding that the Council really did not want to dump directly in the lake. Re asked Mr. Kasma if it could be done another way. Mr. Kasma said it was feasible to purchase land for a ponding area but only 12.9 acres of land would drain into the lake out of the total area. If they were --> - - ,,~ ,.". "_.,,,- Meadowcreek Pub. e Hearing May 11, 1978 - Minutes Page 3 draining 40 or 60 acres, it would be a different matter. If they went for ponding areas, it could double the cost of the project. Councilperson McClure then asked Mr. Kasma if he foresaw any problems with Coon Creek Watershed. Mr. Kasma said no since the drainage pipe at the southern end is an existing outlet and the northern end is just an emergency outlet. Mayor Windschitl stated he was also opposed to draining into the lake but since the area involved is so small, he couldn't see causing the residents a double cost. The record should show it was done for the reasons of the plat and we should not allow any future drainage into the lake in the case of new developments in that area. Mayor Windschitl asked the audience if there were any additional petitions or changes in the petition. The gentleman owning Parcel #6350 stated he now votes no. (Parcel #6350 is shown as being owned by Don Hand, 13464 Jonquil St. N.W.) The count is now 43 yes, 36 no and 7 no opinion. MOTION by McClure, seconded by Vanderlaan, to close the Public Input portion of the hearing. Motion carried unanimously. There was no further Council discussion. MOTION by Vanderlaan, seconded by McClure, introducing a Resolution ordering the firm of Toltz, King, Duvall and Anderson to prepare Final Plans and Specifications for the installation of street and storm sewer improvement for the West 1/2 of the Southwest 1/4 of Sec. 33, Twp. 32, Range 24, Anoka County, Minn. also known as Meadowcreek Estates. (See Res. 53-8) VOTE ON MOTION: YES - McClure, Orttel, VanderLaan, Windschitl PRESENT - Lachinski Councilperson Lachinski present vote reflects the fact he is affected by the project. Motion carried. MOTION by Orttel, seconded by Lachinski, to close the Hearing. Motion carried unanimously. Hearing closed 8:50 p.m. :'pt~lY submitted: /i,~¿¿:ød- ae Ellen B e Recording Secretary