HomeMy WebLinkAboutPH February 10, 1977
. CITY of ANDOVER
PUBLIC 'EATII::G - ?Z32UAT'Y 10, 1977
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Pursurant to notice ~ublished thereof, A Public :learinG on the rro~osed 1977 Street
<.1.nd Storm ScrlCr Project in the :rorth1'loods and red Oaks Hanar Addition A.re.'ls \'IGS
called to order by ;-Iayor Jerold ~:.:indGchitl on February 10, 1977, 7:35 ~).!':l., at tile
Andover City :I.:tll, 1685 Crosstown Boulevard ?i'.7 J AnokrrJ ;.annesota.
Councilperson.s :9resent: L.::tchinG~·dJ EcClure, Crttel, VanderLaan
Council?ersons absent: ;-i'one
Also present: City "Snsinoer, D. TI. l:asm3.; T~<:~A En,~incerJ Rex Stoc~;n'!ellj
Ci ty Attorney t ',"'. G. ::a'.'.'kins; City Fiscal Consul taut,
I:. D. Forness; and City Cler~;:, P. K. Lindquist. Also,
np~roximately 275 residents.
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è~yor oindschitl introduced the City Council and Staff, ·he hearinG was then turned
over to the City 5nzincer, D. ~. KasDa.
ìT. K~SDa revicTIed the inforMational letter sent previously to all the affected
reside~t8, and eX?lained the reason for the project, gave a project descri~tion
including rroject cost, financin~, rroject ti~e schedule, and ~ave his reco~mendations.
He also discussed alternate plans and anGTIcred several anticipated questions in
advance. DJ.:Ds 1:!ere dicplaycd showinG the results of the petitions received to-date,
the Coon Cree!: '::ater Shed area, the -prorosed street and storrl seVIer syste~ affectinQ:
~~orth'.'¡oods and ~cd On.ks :!é1!1or a.rea, where the proposed storM drainace ponds vrould 'be
located, etc. Glides of bitu~inous berm versus concrete curb and sutters ~ere also
shovm. The Couhcil and reside~ts were reminded that a~y neIT in~rQve~ents in the City
of Andover r::.ust: have the apljroval of the Coon Creek ','!aters'::;'èd,-_ Board who require that
the rate of w~t~r runnin~ into Coon Creek not be ~ore th~n it is tod~y.
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The procedure for thio ZearinG io to have ~c~bers of the Council have }oints clarified,
Er. :1"ar¡kins to clarify the drainage of '.':ater into SQ)';1eone else's :propcrty, a.nd then
take questions fro~ resi1entG fror:! the rorthwoods project first, then the Red O<1.ks
~~anor pro j ec t.
~~ayor ;·,~ind3chitl: In looldn0' at the costs involved, especially ,'¡here the '::.059 a
square foot t~~es into account ~uyin~ land for pondinG at ~300 an acre on l~nd
acquisition, this could balloon on us, so~o of which could not be assessed until land
\1a8 developed a~8und it. If we don't acquire the land at ~30a an acre, ~elrc lookinG
at so~e substantially hisher starn S8ITer costs for the whole ~roject. ~;e're also
divertin~ fro~ f ?rocedurc t~~t the old Council followed in h;vinc each of the ?rojects
pay for the i~,?,rove!1e::1ts they set. :-~O'N ':te're really expandin:; this. In ::::ed Oo.I~'s
case, couldn't he h3.VC utilized t~e 1Jond in tbe Dart area !1orth of l40th Avenue, ':'hi8
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"~fay, isn't thero a da:l!;er of coni!!:; b3.ck to ?cd Caks .so~e day ':rith another asse.ss!1ent
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~hen the Douds ~ere develoned?
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~1r. ìCasr.:a: ':·e did lool: at hO\'1 r:lUch '::e could :put into the exi3tinc; !Jark Ctrc3.. Those
ponds are beine u::;ed to their r:laximurJ already. T:herc is a hi~h Ground \':ater table in
the City of A:1dovcr, Ð.!1d you only Cet 80 much storase capacity out of the~n. Also, if
the Gouncil dCFided they ria!1t to ~ut otrccts o.nd ßtorr.l sewers in ~ed Oaks, you ':rant
to Get then 1:1 t11C ~ost econo~ical ~ay. ~hc collection systeM that io proposed
'.r requires that yeu é'.cquire the land fol" the ~Jonds. If the }Jrice Gets tcP ex})oTIsive, v.re
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can Modify our GY3tG~ to deterrJine ":hcther it is chca:pe!' to build a s;:;allcr l10nd nnd
?i?e it b '300n 8r-ecl;: or is it cheQ~er to :9ond the area TIhcre it stand3. This can àe
decided in tho noxt nonths ì'lhilo "I,'G ~rc in the planniTIG staGe. ~c ~re deviatin: fro~
:9é1st :policy of not ché..!'[';inS undevelo~Jed 10;21d. ":.'0 CQuld <1.cquirc the land nt ~hatever
price . ." fund ?D.rt of it out of FGr~ Fu~ds because it cnn be dGvGlo~ed into
lS reClulreG.,
~D..rk3 in addition.; D.21d t.:tI:e thiD 500 acres that sur:!"ounds this area in its entirety
arrd char.so everybody Qn acrease asseSSMcnt for the C03t of tnese ~onds and the
develo~r;e:'1t o:!' the:'1. If we c!1.o.r.:=;c evcry~)ody in that area the vay they o.re tad.?.], t~cy
l1re not biG C:l'JU'Sì1 to trt:-:e cnre oft :10 :1.~C.'l. ?oncls \':ill have to I)e dur; out é1S è.evelo?-
!':!ents ~!'o':r. Soe.eoody 1:3.8 to !,D..y for that cost. r~e f d ho..ve to co~e back and reassess
:people for thic 3dditional cost. :'n\:in.:; the 8 tand that the 8tor~ Gc~crG o..re i!lstalled
~err.'l:1nently , ':.re need this larse n~O'tnt of lnnd if ~c ~re not coinScto dcvelo~ it now.
''':12 CO~tld GUY leGs lanù nor¡, bl..l t '.'IOulcl h::vc to develop it, build it up, '":'I'adc ~" and
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the develoy::::ont C03t ~'I-:)uld h'lvC to be ~'Jei:::hcd o.cain,'3t huyin.<:; the I'<'1':; lo.r..d. It'D the
o""aty's obliSQtic~ to sae th:l.t you:;ct cT1ou.::;h ncmcy fro!1 the devGlo~cr to do ':1119. t hflS
to be done. If YOll nocd r'J.ore c:t~JQcit~r for the 'pond, you CGn just cr[l.de it nut. Tho.t
ùoes:1.' t ;1:1.Ve to Dc done every ti~e é1. sD311 p~rce1 of lo..nd is dcvelo::¡ed. l :oney could
be ~ut i~to Q rcvolvin~ fu~d so t:J..:J.t WCJ t'.<1::e sure .....iG Get onou.=;h :r.!oney. In tho finis~ed
:;1"'oduct, tl1c D~T ',!Quld li};::a <'1 5-foot c1e:Jth .30 that the ~rou~d vGtcr D~intairr.3 a fresh
flo':I, 3ut if !1othin,::; develo~.3 iT). tho nc~~t t','!Q years, ~e rron't ~~ke any i~~rovoment3
in the !J:JYlds. '::'ho Council viII o!11y ic~rovc th038 ,ond3 DGGed on whC!.t they ~et rocoi~t3
fo!". r:;hi,s could boco~e part of ;:rour overall Par~ Plan. ~·.·e rms t provide Îor the '.'Jorst
stor:1 o..nd i'lO~.3t floodins, and there has to òe p~ovisions for 0tor~ d~~inin0 as the
land develor3. It a:::r;!'::;D..rG ""lc've ::;ot to solve this on Q co~~rchen3ive b~sis. Pondo
are the cheaI1cot ~ethod.
~ounc il :Jors on I.!",c11in..-:;l:i: Asked :~. :~s~a to ex~lain the ~17,lO cost fa:' the cOë1bined
~:'aject ~ith concrete curb and cutter, the 3,vcro...'3e fi~ure beins hi.:=her th.:J.n the other
individu~l ~~oject3. (:'r , l:as~a: "re 1001:ed at this as one }J!'ojcct. It'G a r:!tttter
of rounclinc:; nu~òc:::'G off ta ~ut thc~ into ~erspective. ':'he ::13.Cni tude i3 not Goins to
c h,,,,, co,) ~~3t 0ill it coot to ~ot the o.reQ to "be purc::wsed to Q point vhere you could
'.'.':1.1];: on thc!'c i.n the.. t G...:o..n~? (,,~ 'l:asr::.ct: ~,7c have estinated, if ~" Cé'..n be bou;:;ht
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for ~30,OOO, it ','/ill cost :55,000 to r,:.....3.dc off the area to r:a:'::e it G3ssGntio.11y
a )latc~u-ty~e ~rco. OXCC?t for t~e ~onù.) In the Dc,at the ~.059 ~er G~U8~C fO:Jt is
c'har~ed if YQur I ~)!':~crt~~ d~Qin~ int~ the st~rr.1 se\~rer - i tsclf . ·...'}'.c~o the red lines Qrc
on t~n mqn ove~'rL~~n- ·!1~~de l~ bA·~- ~~-v'ced by t~c ~~or-l ~e"'e- If i1:'..tcr is not
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d:-al!llnc l:1to the stor~ scuer, it c1.ro.ins into the ?ondG. It sce~s a~]!'opriatc to
ch~!'ce all aÎ tIlc rro:crti~s the 3.:'.::18 rateJ t:tU3 lOïlCrin~ the ~.059 a square foot.
"~ "~"'n' ~)o_,-v ""t'o'" t"\0 "r0:l- ","-0' ~ 052 a -0ual'e foot but hO a"d ovo~"o"o 01-0
c_.... ~~--'-->.'-. ~_ .~·~_lo., ._ .....L.. 1-..- c, ~'-oJ~' w'). u-:i < , ~~. -,i." U
0..100 IJ3YS ~.!,)07Ifor the )ondinc. ':'he!'c is D.. 1e':.:I.1 Question, if \':.:ttcr runs off their
back yard ~nd nqt into t11e De~er ~i,c, it has not been our p31icy to ~3SC3S the~ for
that o.re.:t. If ~~ou dO:1.'t Cet D. ù:i_rcct benefit fro!:1 it, you just don't ray for it.
:!o'.'Iever, if a dc¡vcloycr :::;uts in streets and stO!'~:l SC':rcrs in é1 nev,' 2_rea, all :property
". h . bcnefited in addition to tho dcvclorer's !"Jro~erty sb.ould !}ay their fair share.
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A developer 31~CHtlc'b' t 11QVC t8 ':;12T 2.11 of the cost in the fu turc J 'bu tit depends en the
Calm::: iI's --'--'cllic,j ~11030 CCttL1:: òanofit y::ust also }Jay thei:- fair sh3.rc.
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I 1, 600 ~.cres
Councilne~~o~ n~ttcl: Do Y8U h:1ve D.nythin.::; sho~'lÌnG' ~".'h3.t the GnCOTJ)D.3SC3?
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'.',.. ~>.D.G''':i/J..: If ~'::::lC ';:onc1.s '."forc co~str1J.cted in this ~50 acres o.nd t!lD.t ...ro.tcr never rJe~t to
,- , GoO:J. 8ree::, ;. ...: "1n';:",., 1 Y>o....·dn't.,' 1ð· -:.1 ...,'" . t M 1"(, in thi:l 9,00::1 :J.cres, their
_.1 .... "......_...0._ ~ "..;l 0;.;...1 c..-.._ a....;¡""_01.-',,-,CI1 SO.,c....ore
C~=CC33 rJé1t:::!' \'Jould be net by those three 2Jonds. So that 1,600 acres could be anynhe~e
in thic 9,O:J:] .::'.C:'03. 'ore've ,r;ot <) ]oncli!lC nl~C.:t3 in t~e City of Andover. ':,'}W::1. they Qro
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.:111 ~0:13tructcc1., ':¡O Ò.O::1tt need o.:t'.y other ~')o:t'.cl.ìn.: é.1.:::-CQS ÒeC3.HGC '-'to ~lCtVe hyc1r<:-'_llic;!>./.ly
to.::cn care of 0',1.]:' C:CCQSG 1"1.1:"1 0~f. '?ou CQ!1 to.::e t!1C TIoney that c.. c1.ovolOl-:C:'" ;::oulc1
Gjcncl for Y:):lc1.s 2nd :':nt it :":1. D. re-volv'i::D fund to help UD o.cc:ui~'c D.!"'.d c1cveloþ these
:"\onds. '.7e'd e:::>tn'blis:1 E1. 1:>cSl1.1Q!, rovolvin~ fund 30 that ~ïhGn the ;J:::moy did cm:lO i!1
1.,'/0 could o.Cr:;.".I7.r·:) t~iG 12.nc!, tic it into tIle ;::ar~:s SYGtc!"-1¡ and ì':hon this lo..nd is
utiDQtely develo?od, ~c'd ~D.VC 3a~e money to do GO.
8ouncil::crGon Crttcl: Y·:Ju' re <?G!:in: ~ed Co.~:3, ate., to ~lD.Y for tho ini ti.':'ll T'JrcÌ1o..:>c,
fnb\re c1evclD=J~'::8nt to )3.:' ·~n·," t~le a::S!'!l.c1in:::;; C'.nd then \'.'011"0 tl1.rnin:; it é".:::'onnd ';¡hen
ttosa l"0:1Q:J are .::tt crl.~.'1c::!..ty ,"1.!1d G:J.y:Ln.::; <:ny r:ü'..! dovelo:;J!'_1e~t ~)[tY3 for DU:....c~~Q.3in,:; Ð..nc1
u::::,cradins. (n.8t :r:8cc:JGo.:""'i1y) ~ha GlZl::1S of the :londs dOCS!llt '::80::: correct.
c=. l::1.S~-_1o.: 3eC.:1U3G o~ the cround ele:-:1ent, they are 3Ì1ó1_11m; and '.';01 d 1i\:0 to Got as
:::uch :1o.turo..1 ~jo:ndin::; withont c:-:cnvo.tinc;. ':'110 :Y~'ice is!l't \"0r:~Gd out yet. ':.'ho.t ~'!C'r8
tryins to do ~aTI l3 cGta~lish a Dolicy 0.3 to hou tIlis pondin~ nhoulc1 be financed.)
GOHncil-:Jer,:::o::1 ·V·..."11c1.erT,,'1O':'1: ~Ic..8 ev·3l"Y ::¡ctitic:1 to-cle.te been r8:;:Y'o3c::ltoc1 on tho.t ~T:>":::?
(:-::.~. ::<10n::..: cv.:;:,~rt:-Ür;..s t!lc.t ~lttS "!JGO~l rccc:'·,.rod c::CO~'it for t~1::3C rccciveJ tQ~li:~1t. ~hc
;::,oo:yle ':¡no ¿:>,lrc·:"1.(~Y· h,~.ve c. street OJvioll31y don't r;::\nt the .st02:"J GC'.'ier.)
~<cce:J8 to ctrG.i,::;:ltC:r.. out 2.~,ct:L tiO:1:J. ?u"olic ~:ca~"in,:=; rCC0:!1VenC3 Q t ?: L:-O.
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::r-. ~'~[l3;.1o.: I~ lo.n:::l (;08t i::: t.lll} ~cc1 C\".~:3 are,:?'. '.'¡ant to -:;1,0:,0 ,"1_Yl Q(;rÐ i:1.3'tcG..d of ";300
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o.nc1 t:1é".t '::,]·,.11d. 11:)::'''8 t~'..o.:1. fir::'.~cc 2.:'.:0' f1.1t.n:'::"c cost Y'JU :~1iC'"ht have.
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h'et~ t":::J~ ",'~Q I O~):;CGO~ to tho .sto.!:"::-: :JGr:o:;.... c:.. t~10 ~ondi~S ~~o'o.sG18 r:ith 110 nontion
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23 in fo.vop 8: ':;-:;Ol~:'"J 80':.:9¡'" a¡~cl bi tn~.linous ò:-ir.! st~oot.G, 2.3 in favo~ of concrct0 cu::'o
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C'..nd ::;uttO¡~ o.~d 3-:crr: GC·:.'·3':-, .:lnct 3 1':i t:-: !10 0::7i:1io21. So t!1c tÌli!1:;' 118.8 t10Y2d C'.ll OV0::'
tho ~;ìC\.lJ. G~l t:;-:;.cl o:.':'r:,-!1:-'cl :-::ecl 00.2:.3 ~lQti~io:1, th'.)~o '.'.r.:t3 D.~~Qro~tly .G080 ~iGundcrGt~ndinG.
FD:" G::Q:::~ll,:; , J~l'J ¿;t~~Got !l0.cl cvc:....y :::)::~C O]~):)88d to it o.nd thi3 icn1t 8~C','l11 en our J'"J-:1:}
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:',r.:t;J :-:2.~c.'Jc::1tad .\.:) I ~1i'''' C8u:!.cil did Do~~ia~ Gta!"~ se~e~3.)
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P"lb1ic ~Ieo.ri!1'3 - Feb~ua.ry 10, 1977
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!'ly unofficial survey froa th8 neic;hòor3 in ~y .:trea, Red Oa1,;:s Faurt~ Addition, is we
~ould very m~c~ like to have streots; and if it meanS GettinG severs to Got t~e streets,
','.'8 YJa!l t thetl.
Terry !(2uthe!~ - IhQ+l Crossto'\m
:¡o one even D'Jthored to "bring a }Jctitio!l around. I find ~yse1f i~ the awkard )osition
of è.QvinS a street, and yet ~o1re in t~c ¿evclop~8nt area. Despite that, I thirr~,;:
it's a rrecossary i~~rove~ent.
Hichael T-!orro';¡ - 1!~013 Yukon Street
~ihy will the Council ~eetinG '00 closed to the public? (It isn1t, just the citizen
input part.) If the ~roject is 30 ordarod, ~hat in?ut do the citizens havo before
the pr8ject is co~)leted? (l-Í!". Kas::1<1: The engineer ?reoonts final pla~3 once to
the Cou!'J.cil, then bide arc taken on it. ~;o\'! is the ti~e ~hcn basic facts h2ve to be
brouGht out. There Q~O a ~~~òer of CheC~?8ints alo~s the ~ay, and ~8 ca~ study the
v~rious QltGr~QtivGG ~lon~ the way. Also, in order to ~ut water i~to COO~ Cree~,
the Coon C:reek ':"D.tcrsÎ-10d 3oD.rd said they \':111 revi8'.~¡ one project <1t a tiDe. If
~orthwood3 Goes by itself to~iGht, they ~ill look at that and ~ill require the T>ondinG
unless we have a pondi~c area so~e· place to trade off.)
?O:1 Stoesz
If you 8011 your house, you ~ust ,ut ~oney into escro~ to pay this ~3scssm8nt. H01:.'
does t!lat i'lorl:? (Hr. I!a',?l:ins: Once the project is ordered, t!lon if it is financed
throuGh F2A or VA, they ';¡ill requi:-e l~- tir.:cs the estinated 3.SSeS3r.10nt ;ut in an
escrow account until tho final ~s3ess~ent. After tho assess~ent is finalizod, whcttever
is left over viII be returned to hi~.)
I:. Stoo3Z: '.-:::w.t ha~Dens if t~10 3.sseSSr:lont doesn't incro.so our' ;:ro:gerty value?
(!'''1r. Ha ','.'i:ins: If it doesn't ir.c!'Ð.GC the tlCtr!:et value of your house, you have the riGht
to appeal it. There is a trial in district cou:-t.)
V'0'T1 ¡y .... ,I ,",,1~'; Sc~ond'8d by ;·~cClurc, to cloGe the ~~blic i~~ut portio~ for the
.-)-.I.1",J by La"vhJ.n,~_:........, Ditu:;1inous .5trcctc o..nd StGrr.! ..53v,'O::""S in the :~orth\'.'Oodg and ?cd 00..;:8 .A.::-ea. C3..rried
un"ni~ously, I
Gouncilpcrson HcClure can vote O!1 :~ort;1'..¡:>odG and ~ed Oaks 1, 2, and .3, but not :?ed
Oaks ?ourth Add:1. tion \':he:'o :1e Ii vaG.
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niSCU83ion :,y the Council on the !1roject:::;:
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C:Ju~cil;.e!':Jon ;·-icClure: 66 out of 113 lots D.!'e opposed to storr! GO~'lers in the ~';orth-
"'ood" ~dditi~n Itl~~'1i~" ~~D-ovi~~tely 5n ~o~~ent ~-e on~o~ed ~o "~o-rn ~~.,~-~ ~here
.. y_' ...._'......:....lL~:..,<,;..,.:;'.:_~~_.,.... .J.:~_.... C<.J. ':;:'''' l".ül"._..O~\,VJ.-.).
is no ::1ention of streets in tlw.t ~etition. ~eelG ITe need aDore accu!'ctte count be~orc
a decision can ~8 ~ade. Feels \':0 C:J.ll't :;!ut in streets \'.'ithout stOI':'J se';:erG.
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!·íayor ':Ji~dss~i tl: In the :~orth':¡oods Q.rsrt there' G Ii ttle douòt that there's !10re than
50 uercent o~noded to ths nroject.
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AttOl"n8Y !-:D.\".'~-:i~:J: Any poti tion3 .Gub~i t ted after tho ::-;ublicati8n 0 f the Ylotice or
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any ~'crson tal:irt~ thei:- n:!.:::;.cs on or off tho petitions are of n8 consequence. There's
Got t8 'be a cutoff da.to. ':::J.o 10.:;: is ~ot 35 r-arC8:1t of the pC0:91e that live in the
area, but of p9~J10 th2t o~n 35 ~c~cont of t:lC land th:J.t front3 on the :rojsct.
I'ubUc 2e~rin0 - February 10, 1977
!':in'1tes - ~o..~3 10
I!ayor ','Iindschitl: OytiO~D available to tho Council: 1) to continue the :.:ublic
hearinGs if ":¡"3 focI thoro's ßdditio~~l encinecrin~ or citize~ in~ut that mic;ht b8
desira"ble; 2) orier t'h", ~!'ojoct; 3) te!'!':inQte the y!'oject or one of the projects.
Cou~cil~erson C!'ttol: ~h0 only ~ay you TIould !'Gco~~ond puttin1 in stroots in I';ortll-
'::00.13 i3 ~ith ctorn sower (yes) ~nd tilC only r.ray '.ore can rUn tho stO::'!:l GO'.'rO!' directly
i::1to Coon Greel: is if r:e :pond in ~cd Oa1:3. ',":0 have the ~Qjority of )coplc o?poGcd
to stora serrc!'s. (r.!r. I:asP.1a: C8ncral consonsus that no bo dy li~;:cs stortI se"'!ers, but
they ~re neccss~ry bocausG of your responsibility for those streets.)
;:¡o ° on OXQctly ¡7h:lt :;coTÙe ·,"'D.::1t. Scet'!G to be D.. tU:"!1Et:'o'..1nd <'lS to \'(hother
lSCUS.3l0n ':r::'ts
the ~cop1e ~~nt Gt~Gots ~nd stor~ Ge~G~s. Pcel·JIe ,..-he o.l:"eady hD..V0 òlD.c!:top in
7Torthv;o'Jds don't ~D..nt 8tar~ se~ers. A need ';';as felt to Get D.. no~e accu:'D..tc ideo. 0 f
exactly ';,'hat ','.':1.3 ':!anted. j.::-. Dic~: LenninG volunteered to poll <111 of the :people
in :ì:Jrth1:.rood3 to set a ~ore accuro.te idca of tàeir opinions. i~8t people were oPPOGed
to the stO:'M .sorters but not to strDcts be:ause of the trc:.';,8ndous fi~ancial bu~don
on thc~ D..l~c~iy.
Cou~cil?erso::1 La.chins!:i: Feels so~e cO~.i!Jitr.;e!1t to the Green Acrea's area to Get a
Gtreet bac1: to t~le!:ï Sor;,:) hor: as they already have their i~~rove~Qnto. Isn't there
some rray to run ~D..ter ovc!~ thG ::trcets out to '~','hc::-e it's al-:ír:;' s been ~oin,c;? Also
doesn't feel tho "[Jotitio:1s fro~ ~cd Oaks rÐpresents DCo?le's feeli:l~8 no;., .
c·;r. :Cas~.'i.Q: Ce~tai::1 ~Îlace3 ca~ h~vo ~~tor run across, but you ~cod a 1 pG~ccnt Grado
to do tho.. t. ':.10 ! 0..180 :wcd !,C!'~iS3io::1 f~o!:l ~~". Slyzu::: to run \':0.. tc:' in his ditch,
There is a :}Di:lt 1'lhero ",'fO could cut a ~olG in tho curb and let ~~ter rU:l out, ""d I'''l
as!'ceable to :".1a:dnG t~1c)S8 chanS8s. ~lo':"8ver , GOO feet is as fa!' .::to you r:ant to lot
~atcr run on to) of the Gtreot, 'because rr~tcl.~ 1':ill brea~: u~ the street TI~cre it stands
in thc Gu:,J,'1. I' 11 s~:ir.1lnÚc:"e I ca.::} to cot the job done i:'10:'8 ocon:Jt:.icall:r. -::e'rs
fa.ced ;'!it~l:-,:2.'li~,:; you 0. coad fi:1ish8d !)l"08.'J.ct als'J.)
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COnSC:lDUS 1':0.8 t~l'Jre is D. ;):"0 blc!:1 in l:::1o':¡in.:; ...Ú1<1 t the ::;00:;:-10 in rod. O:J.I:s r:ant. It
seo;,3 ~~~~ ~no·..l'~ ~~~ c~an~4n~ their ~i~~~ }~st ~co?lc ~ant bitu~inous bri:1 no':¡,
..... ,"",-I" .:.'~ ~.:._~~ <-,_ c;, .. .L :..>.......L _> d _ ... '.'-'o..J.
but in the CTIQ ~o3t ~~ll ~a:lt C01"!cretc curb and cutte~. It iG :;:oGsibly a ::1Ísta'!:e to
inforn "]001'11co of' tho cost <1!1-:1 c:!1~icc of b2.tutli~oUG b;Ï:h.1 1.'.'!1G:l :'te' VB already ado:pted.
° ' curb and cutter.
a POllCY of c~~Gret8
Crai'" ::'ellctic~-' 1- 14,,,)16 Ç11Jin:l :3t::.-ect
'::~10n t:!1iG ~ctit~o:l first canG out, a lot o~ rco)lc ~cren't aTIo.re of all the fac ts.
I ::-lOver 1:!18;,'" anV't}li!1.r: a'Jout t'hc p~nd3. I have cÌ1~!1~ed ~y i:1ind--c1on I t li!·:c the w!lolc
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ido~ of it. DJ~'t see hOIT YOTI CÐ.n uso the cD.rlier "'Cetitions ...,-110::1 r:e didn' t ~:no':¡ all
tho facts. (C:o'..t!1cil didn.'t ~:"'10':! o.òcut the tl0ndinG' u!1til tho Coa~ Crcc~: ~ate~sh8d told
tbcn Ð. cou:~lc ;·,'CI0::.3 2':;0.)
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!-IOTIO'; ~y Lacl"1in.31:i, Seconded by8!'ttol, to continuo the Pu:Jlic ~~earins on t~e St:Jrr:l
r'~,,,,,,,... 3.21d I"'t·,.,cn../- .........oi....,...~ i.., th..... ··:J......~11'"oorl~ ...,.....O~ un..\.-41 0·-0 ":):m. 1;'0' ......uo'.....y 17 "t tb
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Andover C2ty Lal ; ~nd ~ould requcot that ~c Ilnd out the lnfor~atlon ¿ortaln2nc to
t:'10 d::-o.ina::;o o.lohc; l!.¡.Oth Avc::}ue ~)a!'ticula!'l7/ \...ith respect t8 Ke:l 31yzu!:. (DiscUDsio:1:
In o~dcr- to :J.:l.ve! t:1C ::'10:10:;." to ~:ty the c:1:;i::1ecr to CO:".1C up ','lith altcrnatives for ?~orth-
':;'oodG, Er. LC!l::1i 1~ D..c:,"oed to C.2nV8.G the :rorth':mods torritoY'Y r:itl1 the several l)ro~osalG.
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Alco ',':ill i!1clud~ <J. sc])arate 2lr:J~K)3al to s]lit the costs 'bet'.'lOon the tì~'o projects.
~~02."tÌiWOOd3 ~co?l:; do n'Jt ':,'3nt to ~JQY for Red C:t1:'s starn Ge'::Gr .:1ncl ~ndinG. ~i'o!'th·..,·oods
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·:.:ould th::Jn 'bo :;:;D.yi:¡~ 3 to It c·znts fc:' stort1 scr::ers rat~lÐr tho..n tho 3.052 if the !)~ojcct
iG CGr:1~i:l'8d ..:ith ~cc1 Oc.7:s. ;:;;h3t cost could easily GO u:p dopendin,::; 011 '::h:tt co.rt. be
Pu'ol:Lc :!co.rins - 7c'b:'tw.r;:r 10, 1977
l!inu t e 3 - :?'D.SO 11
vlor1:ed out ':lith ¡-i:-. S1:yzuk. >_OF9VC:''' , t~lC :To:-thnoods ~roject Carl dU:-.12) their ï:3.tcr into
Go::m C!'oo~;: c~l:.~ if they o.re c,::Jtlbinod uith ~8d Oaks in order to cat D.)TrOvc.l fron the
Goon GreG~: ':,;:tto!~Dhcc1 3co..rd. '.".,... LCr!.nil1C ~'lill tal!>: 1,'Ii th tho Ji ty Clor~: on tho !:cthod
...... . of tal:inc tho ~)ctition Gincc sho i3 fo.~ilia.r VIi th the entire D.3GOGG~cnt ýroccdure.
"SituninouG ::ìr.t~ ',':ill !lot ;JO D.n o~}tion aV3ila~1c. I-:r. Lcnnirr: is to Got firral estino.tod
fiGure coats fro:.1 !~. Ko..::;na. "!Jcfo:'G tD.l:in.:; [¡is yeti tion to the :::::OOl-,lo.)
~;otio:n cD.:'ri3d urrê1ninol~.:::ly.
...... . 7orno33: T}l:'cO ':::tl.~~c3tion;J di:-ccted tOf:o..r::l the Council :'c,:;,o.rdin3' :~orth\'.'ood.s:
1) ~Iicht si::llÜify :-J3.ttOY'3 if ~eo~~lc 1:noïl ';:hcthæ- t11G ~OU!lC il is Ol" i::; :10t r,oi!1'; to
con3idcr .street;:; ':.rit:l:::Jut :::;t8r~1 .sC';:Cl~:::;; 2) /J.:;;."e you C;·'Ji!1D to i~si3t on conc~otc curb
D.:1d Guttc:-? "è12 3) T~'lo:'c Q!"C trIo sideD to t!lis iS3uc a!1à ~oth sidcs ohould 'be
~c~:'eGe!lted ~he~ the ~ctitio!1 is p~S38d D.:-ound. (GoTI8ral consensus is GtroetG ','fill
not ')e ;.>ut i~ '::it~1Cut .::taY'r1 00':.'8:'3; concrete curb an-:' ,3tlttC!" ~'¡.::o in tho :'oCld :::;trmdar::1
ado:;ted 1~.8t j::"lY 01~ ....TnnG; 'both sides \':ill '00 reproGcntcd.)
Discu::wiO!1 0:1 ::-:'ed. 8.:t:'::::; Project: Council~J2.!'::;on !!cGlure ':!ill 80e th:tt a~ Ð.ccuY'Ð.t;e solI
is ta~:cn :;....c..:;c:c'!.in..':; t:-::o _:"'co~le':::; fcclin,:;,:: . If the :iorthrIaod3 ::l'ajcct i3 scpa..!'atcd fro;]
!:cd Co.~::3 <1nd ~:ortb·.roocL:: cloc,sm' t ~:::lve tD :x::.y fa:- lateralo iYl the ~cd C.:I.1:3 sto!'::! .sortor,
thiG incra303 tl:0 cost f::-or.:' ~.O:J9 ):JY' squ.:lre foot to ~.O72 ~ -,'~ .". D. sqUD.:'c foot
fCJl'"' t!18 st8l':-.! 3C':r:;:~ irr ~·3d '.JCl~::::>. 0:1 0. 15~ ::3qu.::rc foot lot it \7Quld i::1c!'D..c:;c o.bout
:'200. :~i~:1t '!Jo difficult to 0.d::~i:'li~tcr t~c different C~3tS.
7ho d3cisiorr 3:i.'Juld bc )ost~)oncd on. thO:::>8 t1.71til the 17t~ '.ïho~ r:e rIill no.va :::orc
infor:--;[', tiol1 nbou"t ~'cti. tio!1s ['end c.l t·3::'~l-:C. ti.v:JG to .study. ~!o:::;t irr ::o!'th'::'Jad:J r,'cY'c o?:?oscd
to t~1.3 ~:"o2.Jo.::.::'.l o.t t.:;.c :~ri.c2::; t~:Qt '.'t:J::'c ~;rc,::;c21ted. If t~e:;r d::m't Co .:thco.d ':.ri th t~e
=,r'ojcct D.::1d ~oc1 0.:1.::':; still ·::D.:1t.s to, =:od 00.l:8 :Jtill c!lds u:) ~:<1:7in,~ th-:; hi,Ghc:;.... ::;2'ico.
Gonc~al COl1'::C~::;U8 t:"lctt t!w t·:..·o ::-:,ojact;:; :::::l:o;J.ld be voted on GC::-Q.Y'.:¡tJly.
i;';YI1rO:T :J7 L.2cl:5_:1;J~:i, ::;cco~dcd ~y O!'ttcl, tho.t t~e City Cou!lcil, ~ity of ~'~ovGr,
contir:..uc t:-:3 ?'J.~.)l:L--:: =~cQY'irr:-; orr t:~Q 3tor~1 ':;c~·.'c:.'" :md St:'Gct P!'ojact :'::1 t:13 ?cd 00.:::3
G.rca ~ll..til 7Qò:,~uC'.:"Y 17 o.t ,J:30 ).::r. D.t t~lC ~'L:"1dovcr Ci t:r 2~all.
VCT~: Ye:::>-L.:'..c::irr:":;::i, C:-ttelJ T]o.:1dc::.~L:J,c.!l, ',·,'i:;ld:::>chitl; Pro.sOD. t-!:c8:1u:,o
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~Ic.:t:'in~ r:;Jnti~~11J1 to :;::'C)'J::-u,:>,,:;,'y 17, 1977
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