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HomeMy WebLinkAboutJCC March 10, 1977 CITY of ANDOVER SPECIAL CITY COUNCIL/PLANNING AND ZONING COMMISSION MEETING March 10, 1977 MINUTES A Special Meeting of the Andover City Council and the Andover Planning and Zoning Commission was called to order at 7:30 P,M, by Mayor Gerald Windschitl at the Andover Community Center, 1685 Crosstown Boulevard NW, Anoka, Minnesota, Council Members Present: Ted Lachinski, Robert McClure (arrived at 7:55), Ken Orttel and Mary VanderLaan Commissioners Present: d'Arcy Bosell, Walter Bruns, James Elling, Chairman Don Jacobson, John Johanson, and Ralph Kishel Commissioner Absent: Larry Retzlaff Also Present: Patricia K, Lindquist - City Clerk, Wes Mand - Park and Recreation Commission Member, and Shirley Hatfield - reporter for KANO radio , Agenda Approval , Motion by Councilman Lachinski, seconded by Councilman Orttel, that the Agenda be approved with the following additions: SA - Crocus Street maintenance problem 5B - Lawsuit papers from Beckman 5C - Set date for meeting with the Metropolitan Council staff 5D - Utility truck Motion carried unanimously, PRELIMINARY METROPOLITAN SYSTEM STATEMENT Mayor Windschitl had discussed with Jim Barton (regarding the statement) the folloWing: 1) airport - the airport portion is being revised and should be' ready before October of this year, There is nothing definite on this riow, 2) population projections - the Metropolitan Council is reviewing in order to get it revised and Andover should document to them where growth is expected and over what period of time, 3) Sandy Dean, of 'the Metropolitan Council staff, may be at our meeting, Special City Council/Planning and Zoning Commission Meeting Minutes - March 10, 1977 Page 2 Chairman Jacobson had previously sent a letter (copy attached) to Mr, Dean. Since the Council had not had the opportunity to review the letter ahead of time, Chairman Jacobson read his letter and the group discussed, compared, and commented on it and the systems statement, Page 1 - population - now the population is split about 50/50 between the rural and urban areas, Refer to page 18 - according to that and their population estimate for page 2, we are going to lose over 3,000 people in the rural area, They are proposing 2,6 people per household, whereas most polls show an average of 4 persons per household, In summary, those present felt that the population estimates in this report are wrong and unrealistic. It was suggested that Andover prepare a study regarding population - existing population figures should be broken down on a map, Page 2 - housing - discussed the following: low cost housing; the statement indicates Andover must provide for low and moderate income housing ~ how does Andover "provide"? by private developer or deleting the minimum allowable floor area in the zoning Ordinance or ?; low cost housing requires public utilities which raises the land costs which makes housing prohibitive for low or moderate income families; referred to and discussed pages 154 and 155 of the Community Development Plan; there is ,no definition of low cost housing, In summary, Andover should ask for a clarification on "housing". , Pages 4, 5, 6, and 7 - Transportation - discussed: where the proposed highways are to go, where all the figures and statements came from, the , error in the total of "47,500 person trips" in Andover in 1990, asked for traff,ic counts from Anoka County, and it appears that the MTC has no plans for a bus route in Andover, therefore, must the City continue to pay for busing that doesn't or will not exist1 I Page 9 - Roadways - They compared the characteristics on page 9 with the map on page 13 which shows, for example, CSAH #7, which the County is putting $7,000,000 into, as a "Collector" along with Hanson Boulevard and Roundl Lake Boulevard, The whole map is totally unrealistic. Discussion on whether it made any difference to them (Met Council) if the map was correct as long as #65 and #10 are shown accurately, Two items mentioned that werelnot on the map but should be are Prairie Road as a MSAH and the Rum River Crossing, Page 14 l airports - discussed: getting an answer from them now on the future airport plans before proceeding any further with this planning, premature development, and the statement on page 15 regarding seaplane operations on Round Lake - it should be corrected, Special City Council/Planning and Zoning Commission Meeting Minutes - March 10, 1977 Page 3 Page 18 - Waste Management - The T,K,D,A, (June, 1976) storm sewer plan was discussed which provides for combining with the Coon Rapids Interceptor, According to their predictions, Andover would be unable to plan or have any industrial use at all, Their employment figures show that employment has doubled and there is no industry, This portion needs clarification, Recreation and Open Space - On page 25 the park they list now belongs to Ramsey, Regional Trails - discussed who is putting in the trails, Recess 9:18 to 9:40 Plan Content Guidelines The Council and Commission went through the guideline page by page and discussed the items that were inaccurate or that Andover has a problem with, Page 7(a) - discussed how the inventory of existing and future information on housing is to be accomplished and whether it would be an invasion of privacy, Discussed how they (Met Council) derive the power to force Andover and the rest of the metropolitan area to comply with these documents. Airport 1 discussed the problem with Wold and that they operate as a separate 'entity so therefore the City of Andover would receive nothing if an airport took over the 74% of the City land they would require, , Page 8 - ,The City Council wishes a definition of the statement on page 8 - (2) (Policies on accommodating and protecting existing and planned metropolitan systems and their capacities,) Page 9 - !these items would require a large and expensive study. The City Council would like to know if Met Council is willing to pay for this, I Page 10 - The Council wishes clarification on 2C (location, type and capacity lof all existing treatment facilities , , ,) and on page 11 - 3A (Description and location map of existing sewerage problems, , ,), Page 12 J Sa (Areas of the community where on-site systems are permitted , , , ,) ~ould involve a major study to complete, The statements concerning housing on pages 13 & 17 need clarification, I Briefly discussed the "Rules & Regulations" sent out by the Metropolitan Council. I They appear to be conflicting, contradictory and not very understandable, I Special City Council/Planning and Zoning Commission Meeting Minutes - March 10, 1977 Page 4 The Metropolitan Council is holding a public hearing on Wednesday, March 16th at 1:30 P,M, and 7:30 P,M, Discussed having representatives attend the meeting and/or writing a letter expressing Andover's views and opinions. Commissioner Bruns and Commissioner Elling and, if possible, Councilman Lachinski would be willing to go to the hearing, Councilman Lachinski gave copies to those present of a letter from Bernard Steffen to the Ramsey City Council, He went to a Ramsey meeting last night. He explained a portion of the Ramser Plan, Their City is divided into Urban (l-acre lots), Transition (22-acre lots), and Rural (5-acre lots), There will be no sewer plan until C,A,B, gets there so they are having to come up with additional lot restrictions, They are not going to have City sewer in the Transition or Rural areas, The on-site systems will be covered by strict ordinances, Ramsey is asking for grant money to help pay for this, If Andover is having to put in ponds, etc" the City should be asking for grant money also, Councilman Lachinski said that Ramsey's Attorney attends the Metropolitan Council meetings as a Ramsey representative to better express their views, Mr, Lachinski feels Andover should give serious consideration to hiring Bernard Steffan as an aide. Patricia K, Lindquist was directed to compose a letter stating all the questions, clarification needed, and definitions requested from the Metropolitan Council after the discussion held tonight, The Council will look it over on Tuesday, March 15th and then send it to the Met Council staff, SA - Crocus Street maintenance problem I Crocus Street, from 138th Avenue to 140th Lane, is a disaster of mud and water and la1most impassable, The City Engineer has stated that the contracto~ had the wrong crown on the road which is causing this problem, The mud will have to be taken out and Class 5 dumped in and spread, Discussed 'the allowance in the budget for road improvement; how much it will cost;! whether the contractor would pay for the improvement; and the fact that this road will be torn up and blacktop and curb put in this summer if final plans are approved, Counci1person VanderLaan was concerned ~bout other road problems in the City and if this improvement takes !¡; ofl the road budget, then what happens, Motion by Commissioner Lachinski, seconded by Commissioner Ortte1, that , we authorize Patricia K, Lindquist to coordinate with James Thurston to improve! Crocus Street, from 138th to 140th, only to make it passable, Efforts to be coordinated with the contractor inasmuch as he is responsible for the extreme poor condition of Crocus Street, Because of the critical condition of the road, the road must be fixed whether or not the contractor is wi11inglto do the work at his expense, In the event that the City must perform the work, it will be billed back to the contractor. Special City Council/Planning and Zoning Commission Meeting Minutes - March 10, 1977 Page 5 Vote on motion: yes - McClure, Lachinski, Orttel, Windschitl; no - VanderLaan, Motion carried, 5B - Lawsuit papers from Beckman The City was served papers today, Arnold Beckman, who did the streets in Green Acres, went bankrupt and now Anoka Ready Mi~ is suing the City of Andover, The City's Engineering firm, T,K.D,A" is aware of this, 5C - Set date for meeting with the Met Council staff Motion by Councilman Orttel, seconded by Councilman McClure, that the City Council set Thursday, April 7th, as a meeting date with representatives from the Metropolitan Council to discuss the Preliminary Systems Statement, Motion carried unanimously, 5D - Utility Truck The Council referred to a memo from Pat Lindquist regarding a truck that the City might be interested in purchasing, After a discussion on reasons for buying it, the Clerk was directed to make a report of - cost figures - how much would be saved - who would drive it - the better service the citizens would receive, etc. Ad;ournment I Motion by Councilman McClure, seconded by Councilman Orttel, to adjourn, Motion carried unanimously, I Meeting adjourned at 11:15 P,M, I ¡J .Ctrl~ ~fj~'ð~~ \ ,\ ~1 e iis J, Harls n , ! Commission q)erk l\ '? ~ <- <, ., ~ .. f ¡> (\ 'J', 1\ \ I. , ',' ar.:::äteO poweR aSSOCIOL1LJO (~lk T.z.íO(!T<, rYlí~)rleS()t(J 5'5'330 . pborJ(! 612-441-.~121 . (:CDX 910-S7!i-3902 Mr. Sandy Dean, Planner Metropolitan Council 300 Metro Square Building 7th and Robert Streets St. Paul, Minnesota 55101 Dear Mr. Dean: Enclosed are my comments on the Metropolitan Council's preliminary draft of the Metro System Statement for the City of Andover, Anoka County, Minnesota. For ease in deciphering my comments, I will go through the preliminary draft page by page. Page I, Part I - Population, Employment and Housing Need Projections - I cite the population statistics as listed in Table 1 for the City of Andover to be far too low. You will note the City has grown from 3,830 to 8,295 in just the six years between 1970 and 1976. Your population forecast by 1990 of 9,500 I believe is not consistent with past growth patterns and the number of new housing developments within the City of Andover. An increase of 1,200 people between 1976 and 1990 I do not believe can be substantiated. The population increase for the year 2000 of 11,200 I believe is also significantly too low. The reasons for these forecasts being low will be considered when we talk later in this letter about airport improvements within the City of Andover. Also on Page 1 you talk about the expansion of urban service area during the 1980s. I might point out that already in the northwest part of Andover,basically along County Road 9, a significant amount of construction has taken place and this geographic area should probably be looked at for inclusion within the urban service area in the very near future. Page 2, Paragraph 3 - You discuss the need for additional housing units to replace housing which may be removed due to age, blight I and disaster. Since the City of Andover is relatively new and expanding, the age and blight criteria would not be partic~larly applicable. On Page 2, Paragraph 4 you speak about the requirement for low and moderate income housing and state any comprehensive plan must contain , a program for carrying out a low and moderate income housing program. My question to you is how does a community assume this responsibility. Should this rather be the responsibility of private development in the area. I would also point out . . Page Two that the City's zoning regulations and ordinances do not preclude low and moderate income housing but are.only. minimums required· to protect the health and welfare of the City's residents. To lower our standards in zoning and in building standards would be a detriment to the welfare of the people of Andover. The reason I bring this out is that in Paragraph 5 on Page 2, it says the City's housing program should provide for codes and ordinances which permit the construction of modest cost housing. I believe this area will be very difficult for not only our community, but others to implement. If you have any suggestions as to how we can do it, I would appreciate your letting me know. Under Metropolitan Facilities, Part A, Transportation, Page 5, the preliminary draft speaks about anew Trunk Highway number 10 which will parallel to the north by about one-half mile the existing Highway number 10. You state in Paragraph 1 on Page 5 that the interchange locations for this new freeway have not yet been determined. The City of Andover will need a determination on exits and entries onto this new road in order to intelligently plan its road program in the future. I understand the Minnesota Highway Department is currently doing planning in this area and it would be imperative we receive information from either that department or you as to plans,in order that the City may plan effectively what needs to be done to make the City's roads and the Highway Department's roads compatible. It is extremely difficult to plan comprehensively for the City when there are so many missing elements and inputs from outside sources. Trunk Highway 65, which is discussed on the bottom of Page 5, I wourd have no quarrel with; however, this would be premised upon the fact that no new metropolitan airport is sited for Anoka within the next 20 to 25 years. If a new airport is planned for this area, plans for existing Trunk Highway 65 would probably be totally inadequate. I Under Mass Transit on Page 6 you state, "A specific transit plan for the metropolitan area, applying these concepts to actuall service, will be prepared by the Metropolitan Transit Commission by the end of 1977." Here again, it is difficult to plan when the wishes of other agencies are not known. You also go on to speak about existing transit services in th~ city which have not been analyzed ror consistency and that existing bus service routes and schedules are not fixed. Here again, the problem for planning is hampered by solid outlines from the MTC. I Under General Planning Considerations at the bottom of Page 6, you state the highway system and transportation policy plan are based upon the populatiòn figures given on Page 1. Since Page Three I am assuming the population figures on Page 1 , Table 1 are in error, I must also assume your highway system and policy plan are also in error. On Page 7 in the last paragraph you indicate the City of Andover must submit a traffic assignment zone plan. My question to you is who pays for this rather expensive undertaking? I certainly hope the City of Andover will not be expected to contribute any sizable amounts of money toward this venture without considerable assistance from funds allocated by the Metropolitan Council. On Page 9, Table A 2, Functional Classification System for Roadways - I might point out that under the headings Minor Arterial, Collector and Local, the City of Andover may have some difficulty. I don't believe the standard suggestion would b~ entirely applicable to the City because of large rural areas vs. urban areas. It seems to me entirely feasible for Andover to install a large amount of Class 5 roads in the city which would be adequate for its needs into the foreseeable future rather than using paving as is suggested. On the map called 1990, Transit Plan Designated as Figure 3, you indicated only one intermodal transfer terminal in the Anoka area. I think you should probably look at expanding transit plans north and east of the city of Anoka to accommodate the expected population increase. Page 14, Subsection B, Airport - Quite frankly, Sandy, I find this section the most troublesome and the most disturbing. I am well aware the Metropolitan Airports Commission did suggest the Township of Grow as a site for a future metrop~litan airport in the early 1980s. "hile that plan has apparently shelved for the preßent, it appears from your preliminary system statement which begins on Page 14, that this area is still under active consideration as a new airpor~ site if and when it is needed. I guess this is what gives me the problem, the if and when it is needed. I All th~ way through this airport subsection we are apparently to keef the airport search area open for possible acquisition by the MAC at some future date. I see where the MAC is revising its air traffic demands and airport needs. This should be ready in late 1977. But, the City of Andover must now plan for this airport search area and make its plans known to the Metropolitan Council. Should a major new airport be sited in the I present City of Andover, population figures will skyrocket. It would require the expansion of city sewer and water,not only to the airport proper, but to all the auxiliary businesses which will pop up because of the airport. This will also require additional city fire, schools, utilities, roads and probably a host of other things I can't even think of at the present time. - . Page Four If the City of Andover is planning now to include the year 2000, and is revising its ordinances and zoning to meet these expected demands, I would point out that if an airport is located in the City, the whole comprehensive plan would be no good. It is, therefore, imperative the city know of the MAC's plans for our area. But yet, at the' same time, I understand that nobody has yet determined what those plans will be. It seems we are caught in the middle. He must plan for any contingency but yet we are not sure what those contingencies are. Apparently the Metropolitan Council's solution to this problem is found on Page 15, Paragraph 2. "Land use in Andover seems to be met by the location of this search area in the rural use region. Planning that is compatible with the preservation of rural land use will also tend to preserve the site for timely acquisition and airport development." It appears the Metropolitan Council wishes the majority of Andover to remain largely rural residential and rural agricultural usage. I think this philosophy will be extremely difficult for the City of Andover,from a financial point of view, to adhere to. Our city must grow. The way it can grow is planned stage development to the north and east.' I think the airport issue probably represents an insoluble problem both to the city and Metropolitan Council at the present time. In Subsection C, Haste Management, Page 18, Second Paragraph, you state the daily average load flow in 1990 is .81 million gallons. This fact is based on a residential population of 8,500 with no anticipated flow from industry. I might point out that the location of a major airport in the City of Andover will greatly increase the need for major interceptors to serve the community. . It appears to me at the bottom of the second paragraph there may be possible problems downstream from constrictors in present interceptors and this is the reason a total flow of .81 mgd in 1990 is Andover's allotment. Perhaps the Council should look at revising this flow estimate in the line of possible airport development with its auxiliary business establishments. Perhaps the Metropolitan Council and the Hastewater Commission shoul~ look at increasing the size of these interceptors before! 1990. . Also on Page 18, Paragraph 3, you state, "The ultimate capacity available to your community in a particular interceptor may no't be stated because it has not yet been determined." You stated the ffi,CC is scheduled to be done with a planning study ~n 1979. I say that is great, but how in the world are we in Andover to plan if we do not have facts and figures about wastewater flow until late 1979? Page Five In the bill which set up the land planning act, Section 6, Page 2, it states we must submit to the Metropolitan Council our plans prior .to October 1, 1978. If the wastewater study is not to be finished until 1979, that makes planning very difficult. On Page 19 under the title for both the Anoka northeast interceptor MSB-7034 and the Coon Rapids interceptor MSB-525, you state you do not know the exact ultimate capacity of these interceptors and that information will not be ready until 1979. Here again, this makes planning extremely difficult. In summary, I find the preliminary system statement for the city of Andover having insufficient details in the area of population density, airport information and sewer information. Without those three areas very clearly oùtlined by the Metropolitan Council, it will be extremely difficult for the City to make reasonable judgQents and undertake planning activities which will be in compliance with the land planning bill. I hope you will be able to give me some satisfactory answers to the questions I have raised. In conclusion, I want to point out this letter is a reason of my own observations on the draft you have submitted to me. D~l , .fl3lìD Don Jacobs n, Chairman Plannin~ d Zoning Commission City of Andover DJ:dl