HomeMy WebLinkAboutSP/PH June 18, 1975
CITY of ANDOVER
SPECIAL MEETING & CONTINUED PUBLIC HEARINGS
JUNE 18, 1975
A Special Meeting of the Andover City Council was called to order by Mayor,
Richard J. Schn~ider, on June 18, 1975, 7:15 P.M., Andover Community Center,
1685 crosstow~Boulevard N. W., Anoka, Minnesota; for the purpose of dbscussing
the .' ,L£';ter of onditions" (Exhibit X) with a:' Farmers Home Administration
representative.
Mr. Ralph Maki of the F.H.A. presented the "Letter of Conditions" to the City
Council and adv1sed them that all conditions must be agreed upon by the City
before they will proceed any further with the loan application.
Mr. Maki noted Ithat although the F. H. A. will not be making daily inspections
as such, the reports covering same must be on file in the City Offices; and the
engineer will supply a full summary of expenses to-date, as the project moves along.
Meeting infOrmJllY adjourned at 7:30 P. M.
A C=';uu.d "'~Ik H..dn, in. "n.m S.w.. .nd S,..., Cnu,'mtinn Imp.ovum."
in Auditor's Subdivision No. 82, was called to order on June 18, 1975,7:35 P.M.,
by Mayor, Rich~rd J. Schneider, at the Andover Community Center, 1685 Crosstown
Boulevard N. W., Anoka, Minnesota.
Councilpersons present: Holasek, Rither, VanderLaan, Windschitl
Councilpersons absent : None
Also present: City Engineer, D.'R. Kasma; City Attorney, William Hawkins;
City Clerk, Pat Lindquist; Reporter, Shirley Hatfield; and
approximately 60 residents.
Engineer Kasm covered briefly facts and information brought forth at the Public
Hearing on Jun 12; and read, and explained, a letter dated June 18 from T. K. D. A.
to the City Co eil, outlining cost estimates on the project for the area north of
143rd Avenue Auditor's Subdivision No. 82 (Exhibit A_2 attached). He noted that
the costs would be the same whether the storm sewer drained into Round Lake or
into the area w st of the Subdivision.
The Hearing wa then turned over to the residents for statements and questions.
(Staff response shown in parentheses.)
Art Speak r - 14346 Woodbine Street N. W.
ASke~ if the people at the end of the system nearest Round Lake would
have problem with the drainage should there be an extremely heavy rain;
and hi w the system would keep from filling with sand if the roads were
not u graded.
Continued PubL I .-fearing - u ..ne 18, 1975
Minutes - Page 2
(Dewey Kasma - No, there would not be a problem with drainage for those at
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the end of the system; and yes, there will be sand going into the catch basin,
however, the City maintenance crew must keep the system clean and in good
working cÓndition. )
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Stated that it was easy to see that the system was never going to be
cheap~r, therefore, he was in favor of doing the whole project now.
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John Lofstrom _ 3608 - 144th Avenue N. W.
Asked if the people would get assessed again if only part of the system
went in now, and the rest later; and stated that if the system is going to
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have to go in later, would just as soon have it now.
(Dewey K¿sma - You can only be assessed one time for the area that is
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beneflted. )
Jim Olsonl_ 14289 Underclift Street N. W.
Asked why the people south of 143rd should pay for the trunk running
northlof 145rd; and stated that to justify a charge, the line on
undeiclift should be left in. Suggested running the storm water to
Roun Lake Blvd.
(Dewey Ktma - When doing just a small project like this, there is a
problem, I hereas, if the project is done only once, everyone pays equally. )
Bob Rudtke - 14417 Woodbine Street N. W.
Aske why he would be assessed if he did not receive any benefit.
( Dewey Ka ma- You would not be assessed if your water was not causing a
problem t you or someone else.)
John Berr, _ 3755 - 143rd Avenue
Inqui ed as to whereih> extra dirt would be going.
(Dewey K sma - It will be stated in the contract that it is to be left in the
area spec fied by the engineer. It would be divided equally within that area;
we are pr bably only talking about 100 yardR if the street improvement is not
ordered. )
Aske if the catch basin would be put in on the corner of 143rd and Xenia-
state that if the ditch remains, the culvert will take take of the water.
(Dewey K sma - Yes, the catch basin would be put in so that the ditch could
b. EU.d 1m.d.Y< .'" <h. onlv.rt ooold ,'Hl b. n.od, bo' In . dUfo'on' m=n<".
We would ave to look at your lot again as far as as sessment to you if the
project is approved. )
Rosella S nsteby - 4100 - 7th Avenue N. W.
State that it is the manner in which the roads are graded that is causing
the p oblem- except for the two houses on Woodbine, and that was caused
by th City. Noted that people signed petitions indicating that the vast
majo ity opposed both the storm sewer and street construction; and that
the C ty Council should respect the wishes of their constituents. Stated
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that when parts of the project are left out, as in the case with the alternate
propdsal, the people left get assessed more. Expres sed concern that a
largel hole would be made where the storm Sewer drainage goes into
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Round Lake.
Public Hearing I une 18, 1 j
Minutes - Page 3
(Dewey Kasma - Yes, there could be an additional assessment---lny estimate
is stating that this is the most it could cost. There should be no hole or pond
at the end bf the system from the drainage; and it will be maintained by the
City.
Askedl if she could get her piping back if the storm sewer were approved.
(Dewey Kasma - If you paid for it, you will get it back, however, you will
have to dig it up yourself. )
Steven I - 14348 Woodbine Street N. W.
Stated: that the water does not come off l44th, but that it does stand on
the co1rner and in the back of one lot.
JoAnne RJdtke - 14417 Woodbine Street N. W.
Asked why all the people had to pay for those that were having drainage
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problems.
(Mayor Schneider - Possibly their water could be coming from your high lot. )
(Dewey Ka1sma - If one lot doesn't get it, the other one will-the water has to
go 'somewhere. )
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LeRoy Nordstrom - 3737 - l43rd Avenue N. W.
Askedl that if the rest of the area needed storm sewer, would he be held
respohsible; and stated that the people having probljems should solve them
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themselves.
(Dewey Kalsma - The smaller the project area, the more expensive it is; and
each lot wtuld be checked before the asses sment. )
Larry Sab - 14417 Vintage Street N. W.
Stated that he had no problems, however, was in favor of putting in the
entire storm sewer system now before the costs went any higher.
Councilpe son Holasek to Engineer Kasma _ If the area south of l43rd was
not includ d in the present project and was done later, what would the costs
be? Mr. asma - approximately lO¢ per square foot.
Councilpe son Windschitl to Engineer Kasma - If the storm sewer on Xenia St.
and the st eet improvement projects were not done n ow, would the ditch on
Xenia Street remain as is? Mr. Kasma - Yes, I would not have enough dirt
'0 fill it, I;" if th, ,'",', WON d,n" th, dit,h" "nld b, fill,d and th,
water fro the last three lots would drain right into the system.
John Meld _ 14211 Vintage Street N. W.
ASkej if the street project were approved and the bids gotten, would the
contr ctors guarantee their bid price even if the price of oil goes way up.
(Dewey K sma - Yes, they cannot escalate the costs per State Law. )
Public Hearing - "une 18, 1975
Minutes - Page 4
Mike Yehle - 3648 l43rd Avenue N. W.
Stated that the catch basin on the corner of l43rd and Underclift which
was scratthed at the June 12 Meeting, should remain "out" as it was
not needed.
Ron Johnson -114416 Vintage Street N. W.
Asked if there would be a problem of sewage from those having septic system
failures r{¡nning into Round Lake.
(Dewey Kasmal - No, this is a sealed system. )
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MOTION by VanderLaan, seconded by Holasek, that the City Council authorize the
City Engineer to prepare Final Plans and Specifications for the installation of Storm
Sewer, Project No. 75-2, in Auditor's Subdivision No. 82, with project to be
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constructed as outlined in the letter from T. K. D. A. to the City Council, dated
June 12, 1975.
Councilperson Holasek gave the following reasons for seconding the motion:
1. Had seen the costs increase from $330.00 average per lot when the problems
first start~d in 1973, to $550.00 average per lot now.
2. It would b very discriminating for the people south of l43rd to be left out,
and end up paying 'considerably more when the project is done in 2 or 3 years.
Councilperson Ri her presented the following comments on the project:
"Based on doc mented evidence, the proposed storm sewer project is necessary.
The engineers presented us with alternate proposals, a) a project directing the
drainage in a esterly direction - this was not feasible, and b) based on a
scaled down ayea, while feasible, does not seem to address the entire drainage
area and prob em, and will eventually result in higher future costs for the area
proposed to b excluded. Similarly, to exclude that portion at this time would
result in a hig er as ses sment for the area receiving the improvement. While
it is recog,t\Ïz ble that the date for future sanitary sewer extension to this area
is unknown, I eel that it is reasonable to as sume that projections by the engineer
of five years r more, based on the capacity in the present trunk main and
development 0 curred to date and what we anticipate to occur, could be longer.
The original p oposal would include both storm sewer and blacktopped streets,
addresses the problem as an area wide problem; is a long term solution rather
than a "bandai type operation". It would appear that the original proposal as
presented on une 12 is the most feasible and economical solution to the problem
which exists. A storm sewer system without bituminous surfacing would result
in siltation an higher maintenance costs. If street surfacing were not included
now, we waul have to rely on cooperation from the residents to prevent the
entry of sand nto the system, and with the rapidly escalating costs of bituminous
material. "
MOTION AMEN ED by Rither, seconded by Vander Laan, to include the entire
project as presented on June 12, including bituminous streets in Auditor's Subdivision
No. 82.
Public Hearing - June 18, 1975
Minutes _ Page 5
Councilperson Windschitl noted that petitions presented by the residents, indicated
that only 12 in fav6r with 51 opposed to the bituminous street construction; and that
he could not justify putting the streets in now knowing the results of the petitions
and the fact that sanitary sewer was not in yet, which when it does come, would
result in the stre~ts being torr. up.
Mayor Schneider loted that he would not be in favor of bituminous if he lived in the
area inasmuch as ¡the tearing up of the streets for sanitary sewer constru~n could
cost as ~ as"the savings made b~'Xing in the blacktop now, o,J. ~ ~
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Councilperson Hotasek stated that he did not see where there would be an extensive
maintenance probiem with the siltation; and cited the storm sewer on Crocus Street
having not requirJd any additional maintenance.
Vote (amendment)l: Yes,-Rithel',"VanderLaan; No - Schneider, Windschitl, Holasek.
Amendment defeated.
MOTION AMENDED by Windschitl, secnnded by Holasek, to delete the catch basin
On the corner lot, the m.anhole on Underclift, and the section of pipe and catch basin
on Underclift. M . Kasma noted that this would only affect one lot, and the owner
of that lot, Mr. ehle, has requested that it be removed. Vote: Yes _ Holasek,
Schneider, Vande Laan, Windschitl; No - Rither. Amendment carried.
Vote (motion): Y s - Holasek, Schneider, VanderLaan, Windschitl; No - Rither.
Motion carried.
John Lofstrom _ 608 l44th Avenue N. W.
Inquired as to ho would be responsible if the system did not work.
(Dewey Kasma - t would be the City, with no cost to the homeowners.)
Steven R keli - 3 20 143rd Avenue N. W.
Stated that he as very disappointed with the decision and the Council, inasmuch
as the Council ersons apparently had little regard for the wishes of their constituents.
(Councilperson H lasek - Our decision was based on concern, not disregard, with this
concern being for the health of the people. )
Mike Yehle - 364 143rd Avenue N. W.
Stated that he elt that the engineer tried to sell the project to collect a higher fee.
(Dewey Kasma _ y record and the record of my Firm, speaks for itself. )
MOTION by Vand rLaan, seconded by Rither, that the Public Hearing for
Storm Sewer and treet Improvement in Auditor's Subdivision No. 82 be terminated.
Motion carried animously.
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ENGINEERS AND ARCHITECTS
1408 PIONEER BUILDING
if v June 18, 1975 SAINT PAUL, MINNESOTA
SSIOI 224-7891
RICHARD M. BARKER
OWEN J. BEATTY
CARREL H. 8ERKOWITZ
ROBERT A. BOVER
JAMES C. BROTEN
ARNDT J. DUVALL
HUQO G. .RICKSON
WILLIAM J. "EYD!:ft
ROYCE It. HAN.EN
Honorable Mayor and City Council STEpHEN M. HARTLEY
CLI,.,.ORC E. JOHNSON
DUWAYNE R. KASMA
Andover, Minnesota 55303 J. THOMAS KIRK
DAVID W. KIRKWOLD
A. DEAN LUNDHOLM
RO.ERT T. MALONEY
R'CHARD D. MENKEN
LEONARD Q. MILLER
Re: Auditor Subdivision No. 82 WAYNE A. OLSON
QUANE T. PREW
Storrri Sewer Construction Program RUDOLPH p, RAITOJl\
ROBERT R. RYoER
Commission No. 63"15 WILLIAM T. SHERICAN
ABE J. SPERLING
"RNOLD M. STEFFES
WALTER W. THORPE
JAM!S E. VOYEN
NATHAN p, WEeE"
GEORGEJ. SCHROEP,ER
CLIFFORD W. HAMBLIN
Gentlemen:
We are writing t report, as authorized by the City Council on June 12, 1975, to
provide an alte r ate storm sewer feasibility report to eliminate the current storm
drainage proble in Auditors Subdivision No. 82. The proposed area to be served
is shown in Figu e No. 1 (Revised).
PROJECT DESC IPTION
The proposed pr ject èonsists'of a storm sewer systern:'includirig 12to 1'8, inch pipe,
catch basins, an yard restoration.
PROJECT COST
The preliminary cost estimate for the storm sewer construction, including 10% con-
tingencies and 1 0/, engineering, legal and administrative cost is $32,700.00.
A detailed cost is attached to this report.
PROJECT FINA CING
We recommend ssessing the entire amount to be benefited property owners.
Storm sewers a e assessed on an area basis. T he boundaries of the drainage
are dete rmined nd each lot within the boundaries is assessed for their area
which drains int the system.
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June 18. 1975
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Storm sewer $32,700 = $.037 per sq. foot
J 879.400
The assessment or an average lot 100 feet in width by 150 feet deep, which
drains entirely i~to the storm Sewer system would be as follows:
Storm sewer construction l5,OOOSFx$.037 perSF= $555.00
Assessments can¡ be paid in full, or paid on an installment basis with property
taxes over a 10 or 15 year period. The annual charges \1Ould be based on a
80/, annual intereJt rate.
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PROJECT TIME SCHEDULE
The proposed tiJe schedule for the project would be the same as outlined at the
June 12. 1975 mJeting.
We will review t I is report at the continued Public Hearing on June 18. 1975.
Very truly yours,
TOLTZ, KING, DUVALL, ANDERSON
AND ASSOCIATES, INCORPORATED
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Mr. alter Arntzen. Building Official
Mr. illiam Hawkins, Attorney
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PRELIMINARY REPORT OF ENGINEER
AUDITORS SUBDIVISION NO. 82 STORM SEWER CONSTRUCTION
ANDOVER. MINNESOTA
COMMISSION NO. 6375
To the City Council:
The undersigned engineer to whom was referred the following improvements:
Storm sewer conjtruction to serve Auditors Subdivision No. 82 Area hereby
report that said iinprovement is feasible and should best be made as proposed
and not in connecÜon with any other improvement as recommended is $32,700.00,
DuWayne R. Kasma,
TOLTZ. KING. DUVALL. ANDERSON
AND ASSOCIATES. INCORPORATED
1408 Pioneer Building
St. Paul, Minnesota 55101
June 18, 1975
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AND ASSOCIATES, INCORPORATED
ENGINEERS AND ARCHITECTS JUNE 18, 1975
PRELIMINARY COST ESTIMATE FOR
ALTERNATE CONSTRUCTION OF STORM SEWERS IN
AUDITORS SUBDIVISION NO. 82
CITY OF ANDOVER. MINNESOTA
COMMISSION NO. 6375
Item Des c ri ption Quantity Unit Price Amount
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1 12"RGP 525 LF $ 10.00 $ 5,250.00
2 15" 3CP 400 LF 11. 00 4,400.00
3 18" CP 750 LF 12.00 9,000.00
4 Catc Basins 11 Ea. 500.00 5,500.00
5 Tops il 90 CY 5.00 450.00
6 Sod 1000 SY 1. 25 1,250.00
E timated Construction Cost $ 25,850.00
C ntingencie s - 100/, 2,585.00
$ 28,435.00
E gineers, Legal, and Administrative - 15o/c 4,265.00
E TIMATED PROJECT COST $ 32,700.00
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CITY of ANDOVER
CONTINUED PUBLIC HEARING - JUNE 18, 1975
MINUTES
A Continued Pubhc Hearing for Street Construction Improvement in Russell Addition,
wasccalled to ord~r by Mayor, Richard J. Schneider, on June 18, 1975, 9:20 P.M.,
at the Andover Co'mmunity Center, 1685 Crosstown Boulevard N. W., Anoka, Minnesota.
Councilpersons pJesent: Holasek, Rither, VanderLaan, Windschitl
Councilpersons absent: None
Also 'present: City Engineer, D. R. Kasma; City Attorney, William Hawkins;
City Clerk, Pat Lindquist; Reporter, Shirley Hatfield; and
approximately 50 residents.
Mayor Schneider read and explained the letter sent to the residents on June 13, with
reference to a statement made at the June 12 Hearing by Walter Arntzep., Building Official,
covering postal dklivery in the Russell Addition (Exhibit X, attached). Mr. Arntzen's
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response to the City Council in a letter dated June 16, was read to the audience by
Mayor Schneider '(Exhibit X-I, attached).
Three petitions f om the area were presented as follows: Kathy Ness (Exhibit A),
James & Bea La ock (Exhibit B), and Clyde Russell, containing 46 signatures
(Exhibit C).
The meeting was turned over to Engineer Kasma. Mr. Kasma read and completely
explained a lette to the City Council, dated June 18, 1975, (Exhibit X-2)¡ and noted
that he had discu sed the roads with Burton Kraabel, City Street Maintenance Contractor,
and it was agree that 4" of Class No..5 gravel should "do the job", and that some
driveway culvert were needed. Mr. Kraabel had advised that there were no areas
requiring an exc ssive amount of gravel to stabilize.
R..H,"', wm 1'" mvH.d '0 pm.n' qu.,<;on, ond ."".m..". (Staff responses
shown in parenth ses.)
Joel Per "ns - 16622 Manniteau Street N. W.
State that a stretch on Manniteau Street was very bad, and that he felt
that his portion should be included in the area to be fixed with the $3,000
contr 'bution from Mr. Russell. Noted that he has had to leave his car on
165t Avenue whenever it rains because of the impassable condition of
Man "teau Street.
MOTION by Van erLaan, seconded by Schneider, that Councilperson Rither's motion
made on June 12, be removed from the table for discussion. Discus sion ensued on this
unanimously.
Clyde Ru sell - 16518 Roanoke Street N. W.
Noted that the City Council appeared to be against using just the $3,000
to fi><! the bad spots. Asked Glen Rogers if he would assist in selecting
the ireas to be repaired, to which Mr. Rogers stated that he would not.
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Glen Rogers - 16647 Manniteau Blvd. N.W.
Stated that he would go with the majority as shown on the petition presented
by Mrl. Russell; and if it were not the Council's decision to just use the $3,000
and rJpair the trouble spots, we would want blacktop. Agreed that some
driveJray culverts were needed on Zuni Street N. W. Asked if before the
incorporation, was it an established policy to take money from 1±e General
Fund to put blacktopping in needed areas.
(Councilperson Holasek - 159th and 179th Avenues were done out of General
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Revenue--I regard this as an error.)
Don AndeJson - 16610 Zuni Street N. W.
Notedlthat it was very apparent that the residents did not want the complete
improvement as proposed for Class #5--now it was an "all or nothing"
situation; and by doing the proposed project now, it would be forcing
Mr. Eussell to develop the area in order to recover the assessment costs.
Rosella Blker - Argon Street N. W.
State1 that if the people owning corner lots were to be given a "break"
on their assessment, so should Mr. Russell, as he owns an extensive
area_
(D.w.y 1,m. . Th... m ,~ l.w. tho! w;U b. co..;d.,.d by Ih. my Co=dl
at the tim of as ses sment - Green Acres and Senior Citizen Deferral Law. )
Ewen Me lellan - 16421 Argon Street N. W.
Sugge ted that Burton Kraabel decide where to put the $3,000 of gravel,
inas uch as he had worked these roads and was familiar with the bad spots.
Wa.yne Ru sell - 163rd Avenue N. W.
Aske Mr. Kasma if he thought it best to maintain a gravel surface for
some time prior to blacktopping; and if eliminating 165th Avenue would
allevi te Mr. Russell's assessment to any degree.
(Dewey K sma - Yes, it is best to have the gravel base down for some time,
however, r. Kraabel told me that there were no sinkholes and very little
gravel wo ld be lost if it were put on this year and blacktop in two to three years.
The remo al of 165th Avenue from the project would certainly be taking the
bulk of th assessment from Mr. Russell.)
Llo - 16627 Manniteau Street N. W.
Aske if the Council was aware of the fact that some of the people wanted
black op rather than gravel if it had to be one or the other.
Councilperson Wi dschitl to Mr. Russell - Do you feel that the 2400 feet which could
be covered by the $3,000 would solve the problem? Mr. Russell - I thought so, and
Ramsey thought ~o, but according to Mr. Kasma, there are different standards now.
Leo Care _ 16452 Zuni Street N. W.
Inquired as to the additional costs if a "few" more feet over the 2400 were
done.¡
(Dewey Kasma - As far as the gravel itself, no, but costs involved to put this
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on an assessment would be considerably more; that is ditching, culverts, packing,
and engin~ering, attorney's, and administrative costs. )
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Councilperson Ho asek pointed out that if the project is approved, the spreading and
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blading work for $3,000 of gravel should still be done by the City of Ramsey.
Rolan EPsln - 16512 Zuni Street N. W.
Asked where the difference was between the 2400' and the 10,000'
in thel estimate.
(Dewey Kasma - The 2400' covers only the bad spots.)
Mike Giesl~ - 16604 Yakima Street N. W.
Noted that the City of Ramsey (then Ramsey Township) had sent out a
letterl some time ago to the residents telling them that they must put in
culverts at their own expense; and now the costs for those not do,ne would
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have to be paid by everyone.
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Tom McCardle -
Expressed the same sentiments as Mr. Gieske, and noted that the ÍI dividuals
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should put in the required culverts first; and this not be included as part
of thj assessment.
Mrs. Rola Epson - 16512 Zuni Street N. W.
State, that she would be happy to put in their own culvert.
Edward Prater - 16435 Zuni Street N. W.
ASke~ if the 2400' proposed to be done with the work done by the
City f Ramsey was guaranteed; and suggested that Burton Kraabel do the
additi¡onal work as he did not feel a guarantee was necessary on that in
excess of the 2400'." ,
(Dewey K~sma - Anytime there is a cost of over $5,000, bids must be taken;
and if Burton Kraabel did the work it would have to be taken from General Funds,
whkh <h. ~onno;¡ ha. ag...d i. no' po,"ibt..'
Councilperson Wi dschitl asked if there were any specific areas where all the residents
agreed on the necessity of fixing; the following residents noted that they only wanted the
bad spots fixed a d that everyone knew where these places existed:
l)Ew n McClellan
2)To McCardle
3) Ev lyn Carey
MOTION by Vand rLaan, seconded by Rither, that the portion of the Public Hearing
permitting citize input, be closed. Motion carried unanimously.
MOTION by Vand rLaan, seconded by Schneider, that the tabled motion by Councilperson
Rither, seconded by Councilperson VanderLaan on June 12, be removed from the table
for discussion. ~ot ion carried unanimously.
The City Council covered all the facts of the citizen input, cost figures, necessity for
a full improvement project, the fixing of only the bad areas, the possible repercus sions
from the residents if only specific areas were fixed and future problems arose, utilizing
City of Ramsey equipment, the need for correction, and forced development in the
rural area.
',Public Hearing ,.Ill11e 18, 1975
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Councilperson Rither's June 12 motion restated - The City Council direct the
Engineer to prepire final plans and specifications for construction of Clas s # 5
gravel roads throhghout the Russell Addition, City of Andover, as outlined in a
report to the Cit~Council, dated June 12, 1975, with the following exc"',,:'-";ion:
165th Avenue N. . from the intersection of 7th Avenue, westerly to Yakima Street.
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Vote on motion: Yes - Rither, VanderLaan; No - Schneider, Holasek, Windschitl.
Motion defeated.
MOTION by Holasek, seconded by Windschitl that the City Council use Mr. Russell's
contribution of $3J 000. 00 to purchase Class #5 Gravel, and that we have the City of
Ramsey apply thi in the area of most need, to be deBÏgnated by the City Engineer,
City Road Supervisor, and the City Road Maintenance Contractor; and continue this
Public Hearing tolNovember 4, 1975, to see if this solves the problem, and if not,
decide on future action at that time. Vote: Yes - Schneider, Holasek, Windschitl;
No - Rither, VanderLaan. Motion carried.
Hearing continued - 10:45 P.M.
Patricia K. Lindq íst
Clerk/Treasurer
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1685 CROSSTOWN BLVD. N.W.
-t~ ANOKA, MINNESOTA 55303
(612) 755-5100
June 13, 1975
TO: RESIDENTS OF RUSSELL ADDITI ON
FROM: RICHARD J. SCHNEIDER, MAYOR
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SUBJECT: MAIL DELIVERY - RUSSELL ADDITION
At the Public Hearing on June 12, 1975, a statement was
made by a member of the City Staff covering mail delivery
into thb Russell Addition.
A mee ing was held on June 13, 1975 with Charles Ward,
Anoka Postmaster, who advised us that this statement of
curtai ing mail service because of poor roads was not
corre t.
An ap logy will be forthcoming from Mr. Arntzen at the
COntin ed Public Hearing on June 18, 1975.
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TO: ANDOVER MAy OR AND CITY. COUNCIL
FROM: WALTER L. ARNTZEN - BUILDING OFFICIAL
SUBJECT: POSTAL DELIVERY - RUSSELL ADDITION
At the plblic Hearing on J"ne 12. Imade a statement pertaining to
the Postmaster. that I now realize was incorrect; I referred to
Mr. Rock as being the Anoka Postmaste:r7 and on Friday, June 13,
I receive1d a call from Charles Ward informing me that he is the
Postmaster for Anoka. Mr. Ralph Kotke, who identified himself
.0 me as I "Rock" is the Superintendent of Mails, and I had just assumed
him to be the Postmaster.
Mr. KotJe had called me in regard to the roads in the Russell Addition,
)Jor¿een IAddition and 159th Avenue ofl County Road 7. He stated that
thc're we~e numerous problems that he would'like corrected. I assured
¡Üm that 159th and Nordeen Addition would be corrected immediately,
however, I requested that he wait {'Or the results of the Public Hearir.g
insofar s the Russell Addition roads. Prior to my speaking with
Mr. Kot e, he telephone City Hall and spoke to the City Clerk, sta..ting
in part t at if corrections were not made, mail delivery would be curtaile¿;.
: apologi e for the fact that I misrepresented the Postmaster, however,
the state ent made in general was correct. Inasmuch as I may not be a"~e
to attend the Continued Public Hearing on June 18, I am asking that you
reaå this letter to the Russell Addition residents, and forward my apology
to them or any inconvenience I may have caused.
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cc; Cha les Ward - Anoka Postmaster
Wil i~,.II]Il G. Hawkins - City Attorney
D. . Kasma - City Engineer
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TKDA TOm, KING, DUVALL, ANDERSON AND ASSOCIATES INCORPORATED
-¥'Y ENGINEERS AND ARCHITECTS
1408 PIONEER BUILDING
~~ SAINT PAUL, MINNESOTA
t~ June 18, 1975 S5101 224-7891
RICHARD M. BARK!R
OWEN J. BEATTY
CARREL. H. BERKOWITZ
ROBERT A. BOYER
JAMES C. BROTEN
ARNDT J. DUVAL.L
HUQO G. EftlCKSON
WILLIAM J. 'EYD!!"
ROYCE B. HANSEN
Honorable Mayor and City Council STEPHEN M. HARTLEY
CLI"ORC E. JOHNSON
City of Andover,! Minnesota 55303 CuWAYNE R. KASMA
J. THOMAS KIRK
Fealibility Report for Construction DAVID w. KIRKWOLD
A. DEAN LUNDHOLM
ROBERT T. MAL.ONEY
IItICHARD D. MENKEN
L.EONARD G. MILLER
Re: WAYNE A. OLSON
DUANE T. FJREW
of Bituminous Street in Russells Addition RUDOL-PH F', RAITO"
ROBERT R. RYDER
Citylof Andover, Minnesota WILLIAM T. SHERICAN
ABE J. SPERLING
ARNOLD M. STEFFES
Commission No. 6374 WALTER W. THORPE
JAMES E. VOYEN
NATHAN '0 WEeER
GEORGE J. SCHROEPFER
CLIFFORD W. HAMBLIN
Gentlemen:
We are writing to report, as authorized by the City Council on June 12, 1975,
on the feasibilitt of construction an improved surfacing of gravel on the following
streets as an a1~ernate to the streets proposed to be constructed in our feasibility
report to the cotncil dated June 12, 197 5~
165th Aven~e NW - Yakima Street NW to Argon Street NW
Maniteau B~vd. NW - Argon Street NW to Argon Street NW
Argon Street NW - 163rd Lane NW to cul-de-sac
Zuni Street NW - 163rd Lane NW to 166th Lane NW
Yakima Str et NW - 165th Avenue NW to 166th Lane NW
166th Lane W - Zuni Street NW to Yakima Street NW
163rd Lane NW - Argon Street NW to Zuni Street NW
The attached map shows the location of these streets.
PROJECT DESCIRIPTION
The proposed pJoject includes sh~ping of the existing sand and clay streets and
placing 4 inches of Class 5 gravel surface at a 20 foot width. The existing surface
drainage is ade uate and is not proposed to be improved at this time except for minor
ditch cleaning a d seve ral cuI ve rt installations.
PROJECT COST
The preliminary¡ cost estimate for gravel surfacing, including 10% contingencies
and 150/, engineering, legal, and administrative costs is $30,300.00.
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Deducting Russell's share for Class 5 gravel of $3, 000. 00 leaves a balance to finance of
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June 18, 1975
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$27,300.00.
A detailed cost estimate is attached to this report.
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PROJECT FINANCING
We recommend lsSeSsing the entire amount of the improvement to the benefiting
property ownersl on an adjusted front footage basis. Adjusted front footage will
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include provisions for corner lots and irregular shaped lots. The estimated front
footage as s e s srrients for this project are:
GraVe1SUrflcing- $27,300 = $1.85
14,900
The assessment for an average lot 200 feet in width would then be 200 feet times
$1.85 equals $3 o 00. The assessment could be paid in full, or paid on an install-
ment basis with property taxes over a 10 or 15 year period. The annual charges
would be based n an 80/c annual interest rate.
PROJECT TIMEI SCHEDULE
T he pro pos ed ti e schedule for the project assuming the Council orders the work,
would be the sa e as presented at the June 12, 1975 meeting.
We will present this report at the continued Public Hearing on June 18, 1975.
Very truly yours,
TOLTZ, KlliG, DUVALL, ANDERSON
AND ASSOCIATES, INCORPORATED
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Mr. Walter Arntzen, Building Official
Mr. Bill Hawkins, City Attorney
PRELIMINARY REPORT OF ENGINEER
RUSSELL ADDITION GRAVEL STREET CONSTRUCTION IN
ANDOVER, MINNESOTA
To the City Council:
The undersigned engineer to whom Was referred the following proposed im-
provement:
Street construction of Russell Addition area including:
165th Avenul NW - Yakima Street NW to Argon Street NW
Mao""au Bl" NW - A,guo ",.., NW ,. Mg.. """"' NW
Argon Stree NW - 163rd Lane NW to cul-de-sac
Zuni Street W - 163rd Lane NW to 166th Lane NW
Yakima Street NW - 165th Avenue NW to 166th Lane NW
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166th Lane NW - Zuni Street NW to Yakima Street NW
163rd Lane W - Argon Street NW to Zuni Street NW
hereby reports t at said improvement is feasible and should best be made as
proposed and no in connection with any other improvements.
The estimated c st of the improvement as recommended is $30,300.00.
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AND ASSOCIATES, INCORPORATED
1408 Pioneer Building
Date: June 18, 1975 St. Paul, Minnesota 55101
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ENGINEERS AND ARCHITECTS JUNE 18, 1975
PRELIMINARY COST ESTIMATE
FOR ALTERNATE GRAVEL STREET CONSTRUCTION IN RUSSELLS ADDITION
CITY OF ANDOVER , MINNESOTA
COMMISSION NO. 6374
Item Description Quantitv Unit Price Amount
1 shapl existing roadways 104 RS $ 25.00 $ 2,600.00
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Class 5 gravel 6,100 Tons 3.50 21,350.00
E~timated Construction Cost
$ 23,950.00
C ntingencies 100/, 2,395.00
Ef'i.mi.'. L"ol, . Admi.i"nl1", 15',\ $ 26,345.00
3,955.00
E TIMATED PROJECT COST $ 30,300.00
Deduct Russell's share 3,000.00
B1 LANCE TO BE FINANCED
$ 27,300.00
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. ']+ 'returnin~ fro', th:~PU:~:~-:8~rin:; on J'me 12. 1975 concerning
the rO'lds in th8 Russell A.ddition I still h'lve sOClle conc,'rns th,t I '''''lnt
. to re_eCllrh'lSiZe ev~n thouGh they were brought up on the night of June
the twelfth.
One concern th'lt I n'lVe is t"e bck of, ,:olicy for the City of
Andover On residents !Ylying: for their O',m i:nprovements. Since tnere is
no ¡.JOlict it is !Jossible thCit we pay for an improveCllent for our area 'lnd
t.len end up fJ:1yìn¿ for .:¡notner area' 5 improve:'1ent 3.150. Even though
the council CIleCllbers s'lid they thought it would be policy -- it is not,
and it ii not in writin3' (Residents of the Russell Addition have found
out for fro"ises to be v'llid they must be in writing.)
I a~ 'llso distressed th,t I Slt at '1 meetin~ for a~out three hours
with mucA of the time bein:; soent by residents g:ving th8ir thoughts on
whlt shol1d be done to the roads (m'linly, use the mon8Y to fill in the
b'ld spotl) but a decision co~ld not be ,".de on this inform'ltion.
I hl'~e a decision C'ln be r9.J.ched th,t will reflect the desires
of the r sidents involved.
ThaDk you for your consiJer'ltion.
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