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HomeMy WebLinkAboutPH December 10, 1975 , ~' f---"" ; ~/ ~ CITY of ANDOVER PUBLIC HEAlUNG .,.- HOO BLOCK GRANT /"~, DECEMBER 10, 1975 '~ ,. MINUTES Pursuant to notice published thereof, a ~ub1ic Hearing covering the BUD Block Gra t was called to order by Mayor Richard J. Schneider, December 10, 1975, 7:25 P.M., at the Andover Community Center, 1685 Crosstown Blvd. NoW., Ano a, Minnesota. Councilpe present: Holasek, Rither, VanderLaa'n, Windschitl" Counci1pe absent: None Also pres City Administrator, Norman Werner; City Engineer, D.R. Kasma; Jerry Lapham of the Andover Park & Recreation Commission; Glen Shaw from Program Land; Lyle Bradley; Dave Jack, Planning and Zoning Chairman; Shirley Hatfiel from the Anoka Union; Helen Frantz and Jerome Wagner. Ro er Nut Pro ert Befo e beginning the H~ Grant Hearing the Council met with Mr. & Mrs. Roger Nut , properjZy'owners of 2410 Bunker Lake Boulevard N,.W, Mr. Nutt asked the Council to stOp the Sanitary Sewer 160 feet short of the planned distance n Bunker Lake Boulevard which would terminate the pipe line at his'prope ty line. He stated that he was mis-informed when contacting the " City Hall asking whether his property was included in the program. ~ Mr. sma recommended that the project be completed as planned. He stated that the FHA financing over a 30 year period is the best financing they will ever get. Mr. Menkveld, property owner of the property directly north of r. Nutt's property has stated that he will be requesting sanitary sewer ser ice in the near future. This means that the Nutt property would then hav to be served with sanitary sewer at a more expensive cost. i MOTION by Councilperson Rither, seconded by Councilperson Holasek that ~he City Engi eer contact the contractor Austin P. Keller to find out if he will charge fo the 160 feet contracted for if it is put in or not and the Council will make a decisiop based on the findings at the Regular Council December 16, 1975. Mo ion carried unanimously. HOO Block Grant Hearin Dewe Kasma first explained the Housing and Urban Development (HOO) Block Gra t, including eligible projects, requirements, ,minimum and ,maximum grants av ilable (ranging from $25,000 to $500,000), and the necessity of citizen i volvement. The grant,appltcation procedure at this time stipulates that the re-application be submitted to the Metropolitan Council and the State pla ning Agency by February 15, 1976 and to BUD by March 15, 1976. Then the , inal application must be submitted to the Metro Council and the State Pla ning Agency by May 15, 1976 and to BUD by June 15, 1976. The final response rom BUD will be received by the City by July 15, 1976. ("") The folIo ing questions were posed by the Council and audience: '-~ Lapham-- Is this an outright grant or a low interest loan? Kasma-- Yes, it is an outright grant, it will never have 'to be repaid. ~- HUD Bloc Grant Hearjñg--December 10, 1975 Page 2 ~ ~ Mayor Sc neider-- How much time and money will be involved in preparing application and getting the project raady to submit? Kasma-- This should be minimal and in other projects I've been involved in they have sent their own paople out to help prepare the final appl$cation. Also some communities will drop out because of red tape wh~ch will help us. Lapham-- ,bJ' According to the memo on the Meeting held on November 13, 1975, point 8, the project ,must relate to low and moderate incomes to be con$idered, is that right? (See attachment A) Kasms-- Yes, they are very specific as to low and moderate income. It has been mainly an urban grant program for redevelopingJ~:overty areas within major cities. Lib- raries, fire stations, etc. have only been granted in stricfty poverty areas. Lapham-- 0. uJ ' Would storm sewers be an eligible project? KaSnui-- No, possibly in a strictly poverty area but not here. Lapham-- (,0 What about a project that would benefit the whole ~ Co) - City such as the preservation of a historical site? If you cbarged no admi$8ion and it were available to other areas. Kasma-- I think it has ,good possibilities. Lapham-- ~¡¡). Do we have a definite~figure of what moderate income is? Kasma-- Ten thousand is being considered moderate. The City is fir&t rated as a whole on the overall income of the ,City and the other 60 points available are given on specific areas. Lapham-- , Could this include possibly the acquisition and reno- h -v) , vation of the Andover School Hoùse or the acquisition of the Round Lake area for a pt~serve and parkland. Kasma-- It's worth a try. The school house could fit under Code enforcement. Public improvements to arrest deteriora- tion can be an eligible project. This is mostly in limited income areas. Lapham-- Like resLoration of park facilities within poverty areas? KaStna...· Right. ~~ ~- Lapham-- Would an overall park plan ba eligible? Kasma-- No. r- HUD Bloc Grant Hearing--December 10, 1975 Page 3 ~ Would aComprehensi'Ve Plan be good background for Lapham-- - submitting a project? Kasma-- Yes, very much so. You have to have a three year program showing what will be done in that period of time to complete the project. A Comprehensive Plan makes it work. At his·time Mr. Lyle Br~ley gave a presentation on the possible acquisition and deve opment of the , Round Lake Area as a project to submit for a HUn Grant. (See att chment B~ C) Kasma-- This has real possibilities. It has a story, With Lyle:\;s slide show and an -accompaniment of a narrative it will make a good presentation, The whole cOlllllunity can benefit from a project of this type, it's not exclusive of anyone as long as no admission is charged. Its worth a shot, If it doesnt(lt work there are always other areas to~ook,such as the Land and Water Conser- vation Act, Mayor Sc eider-- 3im Barton thought Lawcon Grant would be a better place to go with a project of this nature. Kasma-- Possibly but I think its worth a trY with HUn. - ~ Councilpe sOn Holasek-- Were you planning to use the existing buildings for storage, etc.? Bradley-- Yes, this same type of thing was done in Columbia Heights and helps to keep the costs at a minimum. Councilpe son Holasek-- How would they qualify as fire proof? You stated in your presentation that the facility in Anoka being used by the Anoka County Historical Society was an old building and disgracefully, inadequate in that area. The buildings in question here are no better. e Brad ley-- There are many reasonable ways to go on this. The main thing right now is a common place for storage of items of historical significance,itc. so that they are not lost and there is no danger of misunderstandings about what belongs to whom. Lapham-- About how much are we talking about for the land acquisi- tion? Bradley-- ~enty five percent of it is unbuildable land but 75% is. prime building land. I estimate somewhere in the area of $1000.00 per acre. -, Councilpe son-- There is some activity ~ccurring at the northern end of that VanderLaa land. Four percent is in the sketch plan stage right now. It concerns some 876 acres and some of the land could ~e acquired through park d~dication. HUn might supplement this, ~-, - H1JD Bloc Grant Hearing--December 10, 1975 Page 4 Brad ley- Communi¢ations have broken down between the land, owner of - the area and the City and someone is going to have to pick it up again. At, bis time Mr. Glen Shaw of Program Land introduced himself. Shaw-- I don't understand how you expect t):>'Æce;iNe a HUD Grant for your City when you have,:vi'i,t;~¡'¡ll,ly((ilitninatað !-' low income people from your City by ordinance. You've set yourselj~s up as uppercruat here in Andover and now maybe it will hurt you. Kasma-- Thats not true. We have 4,100 acres zoned as urban and that is over 50% of the total acreage of the City. Shaw-- We would be interest4d in selling any or all of the land but we will not negotia~e on price in public. When you talk about buildable or'unbuildable lots you have to consider that if 2 out of 20 lots are buildable on Lake frontage the two 100s would be worth enough to make up for the unbuildable ones. Purcb.4~e by cash or long terms would make a difference also. Mayor Sch eider-- We:re talking about a great deal of land. - Bradley-- The park will be for all of the people of the area and a greal -..-/ deal of land is needed. Shaw-- r1>rogram Land would be interested in negod:iating with the City on this park as a benefit to everyone. Councilpe son Holasek-- Arentt some of the buildings on the property already sold? Shaw-- Menkveld owns one that is being as(éssed at $40,000 and would like to get rid of it. There'is still the house and three big buildings. I I Councilpe son Holasek-- These buildings could probably be used for youth activities etc. I'm very interested in"the project, it will benefit people, for generations to come. It is definitly a plus point that the current owner is agreeable. Lapham-- I think the project should be included as part of the Comprehensive Plan for this City. Mayor Sch eider-- Mr. Bradley is to be comøended and thanked for his dedi- cated attention to this project. Councllpe son-- How detailed does the presentation have to be as to total VanderLa acres, could a possible approximation be submitted? -~ At this time, for the pre-application it can be approximate. Kasma-- Lyle's slide show along with a report pointing out the wide variety of people it would be available to (Scouts, school groups, senior citizens, etc.) and a City , map would be more than adequate. - HUD Bloc Grant Hearing--December 10, 1975 PageS - What is the difference betweenHUD and Lawcon? Councilp rson Holasek-- ,j Kasma-- JUD could be anywhere from 1% to 1007. of the total project cost and Lawcon would be a set per~entage. Lapham-- What will it cost for preperation of the application? Kasma-- It would depend alot on the amount of volunteer work. The hours I spend on the pr~ject are paid by the hour. What we need is a storybook type presentation t~lling them: 1) this is what we have; 2) this is what we need; 3) this is what we want. After Mr. Bradley and his volunteers get it together we can sit down and ~ave a short meeting to go over it before it's submitted. Shaw-- I think you should emphasize a larger area and include ~noka in order to raise your low income population. Mayor Sc neider-- Can more than one project be submitted? Kasma-- Yes, but each project is rated seperately and then' they average them together. So they should be looked at care- fully and the best project selected so you don't drag down a good project. - MOTION b Windschitl, seconded by Holasek, that the City Council make application '- for a Grant for $450,000 for the purchaseyaf 300 acres around the Round Lake Area. ÞtJo ðtti"&jOfMW"ï A di cussion then ensued on the necessity of all citizen participation and that the ed~Ú·abpeoplè,arji~;'èfy.qspecific on this point. They stipulate two public he rings priò'i' 'to ap'p'licšt1on and if a motion were made at this time it would ullify the next hearing. Mr. Kasma advised that the motion be with- drawn to e technically correct in the hearing process. Councilperson Winds chit withdrew his motion. Mrs. Ha't£iel stated she had understood they woulld be discussing the possi- bility of acquiring andlor improving the Andover School House as a project. Councilpe sOn Rither said it was not possible on a contract for deed, and that the Andov r Community Club wants it taken for tax purposes. Possibly it could be consid red as an addtf::i!onal project to submit to BUD or it may have to be handled d fferently. Coun ilperson Rither formally requested that the Andover'Schô,9).House he placed on the agenda under Old Business of the Regular Council Meeting to be held on D cember 16, 1975, so a decision can be made befòre ~anuary 1, 1976. MOTION by Councilperson Rither, seconded by Councilperson VanderLaan that the BUD Block Grant Hearing be continued to January 6, 1976 at 7:45 P.M. at the Andover C mmunity Center. Motion carried unanimously. ,.-->, -, .- ~ CITY 01 A·NDOVER -- ,REPOR'¡[' OF MEETING - NØV~1V1fH¡;rtH}.'~97? . 2:}9 PO'lv:\. ~ ANDOVER COMMUNITY CENTER S,IJ JECT: COMMUNITY DEVELOPMENT BLOCK GRANtS AT ENDINGI JAMES BARTON - METROPOLITAN COUNCIL D.R. KASMA - TOLTZ, KING, DUVALL, ANDEJ~SON RICHARD SCHNEIDER - ANDOVER MAYOR NORMAN WERNER - ANDOVER ADMINISTRATOR PATRICIA LINDQUIST - A)NDOVER CLERK LYLE BRADLEY - BICENTENNIAL COMMITTEE The £011 ing points of information Were made by Mr, Barton: 1. ow and moderate income families (number and percentage) n area benefitting from grant wf3igh the heaviest on the final ecisiort On an application. Z. elationship to the Development Framework Guide and the doption by the City of a Comprehensive Development Plan re important factors of consideration. 3, ark and Opep Spaces applications would fair better under Lawcon Gr,nt. ,.-.. 4. Comprehensive S!;orm Sewer Plan would probably not í~t -....J nto Item No.1, inasmuc:.h as it would benefit the entir.e Ci1zy. 5. anitary Sewer could do very well for a specific area if Item No. , ould tie into the application. I 6. 900,000 to $1,000,000 should be availabie to the communities 7. inneapo1'ìs and St. Paul are not included in the above funding 8. rojects must relate to low and moderate income peoples to ven receive consideration. 9. II eligible comm\1nities do not apply, which increases the ! hances for a grant by those who do. 10. everal projects can be inclúded in one grant request; it mU,st e decided that each will balance out the other. Meeting c1 sed at 3 :30 P. M. I I ,.-', . ; ì '. I . . - ~'~< '-' ~ ~ , , Overview of, Round Lake Site in Andover, Minnesota - ,It is rare when an area combines, historical significanoe, geographical ',proximitYiesthetic quality., wildlife cbmpatibility, recreational diversity, . and struct a1 readiIiess. , Round Lake in Andover, Ninnesota has all those qualities. The community has the op ortunity to develop for present and future citizens an educational- recreation 1 area that is u\'lequalled in Minnesota. A 300-acre site bordering the north and west shores of the lake could make all 100 fe sible activities a reality. Once the land is purchased, the activities and facilities could be implemented 'as follows: " 1. Much 1 bor and materials could be furnished, by volunteer help over a >-10 y ar development period. Scouts, Iù!, garden clubs, museum buffs, , " commun ty historical groups, school groups, and private citizens have all in icated strong interest in supporting this project. 2. Direct financial help either in dollars or professional expertise would be ava able from:, oka Hennepin School District oka County Soil & Water Board oka County Historical Society F deral Soil Conservation Service ,~ N esota Depar,t;ment of Natural Resources ''--..¿ U tural Science for Youth Foundation U ture Conservancy ea Tribal Council ,In add tion, due to the regionalism of the site, there might be some assist nce forthcoming from individual ,communities or Metropolitan Open S ace Committee. 3. Build' gs currently on t,he site could be utilized for most of the indool:' activi ies listed on the feasibility list. 4. Activi. ies with noise profiles, such as snm;l1\obiles, model airplanes, a motorc cles, firear\ll shooting, and motor boats ,ibuld not be compatible on thi small area. If, 'however, the entire 850-acre tract Has obtained, there ould be ample compatible space for these activities, with the except On of motor þoats on the lake. Decisions. de today. are wiser when their effects are programmed fifty years into the future. Further information is available from: ~le Bradley - 421-1663 Jerome Lapbam, - 421-8519 Dewey Kasma - 224-7891 ('" ,j : "",mJ,E ACTIVITIES AT ANDOVER ROmID LAKE Sl'"J ~ ~ *Marsh Board alk Citizen Collections Center Touch and S e Animal l1useUDI Horse Trails *Indoor Rifl Range Archaeological Outdoor Lab Bike/Dogsle Trails Education Resource Center Ch ildren ' s 00, Old Farm Activity MuseUJ1l **I'lanetariu Astrononv Lab Children's Playground Picnic Area Outdoor Cafe Ghostley Genetics Demo **Outdoor The tre/Band Shell Historical Rotogravure *Historical ocuments Library iH:-Tennis Courts Paleo/Osteo ogy Lab Community Garden Area Ch ildren ' s ishing Pier **Horticulture Greenhouse Orienteerin Course Self-Guiding Nature Trail *Fresh\~ater aboratoI"/ Animal Tracking Trail' Archery Ran e Primitive Camping Site Geological rail *Obstacle Course Indian Buri 1 Site *Peatlands Research Lab **Solar Ener Heating Plant *Handball Practice Court Loon Nestin Refuge *Photo Lab/Display Area . Tree Top \va k Career Exploration Lab !1ilitary Mu eUDI Book Shop Soil Profil Demo 4H/Scouting Center Wildflower arden Aviation/Auto Huseum Hiking/Jogg g Trail Wood Duck Project Area Kelsey Clay Pit Demo Anoka County Hall of Fame Ski/Snowsho Trails Canada Goose Refuge ,,~, Mineralogy isplay Snow Study Lab '--/ *Arboretum G den Fur Trade Historical Display *Peteler Inn Reconstruction Tarp Nature Center Skating Are s Reptile Pit Swan Nestin gration Winter Wildlife Feeding Area Backpacking Foreign Language Trail **Brick Kiln Children Snow Sliding Hill sports Hemo Animal/Plant Study Lab *Aquarium Non-motorized Canoe Area Arts and Cr fts Activity Center, Church Outdoor Worship Area Garden/Fiel Crop Research Plots Bluebird House Trail Falconry Fi ld Trial Area \-linter Camping Demonstration Area Wildlife Ar ist's Lab an~ Gallery Native American PO\~-'''¡ow Site Hater Table Monitoring Station *Noc·turnal "Tunnel" *Plei.stocene Outdoor Diorama !~teorological Station Glass Botto ed Boat or Pier Historical Haterials Storage Observation Tower \vindmill Energy ¡<linter Fish Observation House Ethnic Center Sundial & ant Cloc k Outdoor Contest Area Blind Touch rail Fossil Walk I Poisonous P ant Living Diorama Minnesota Tree Trail Foot Powere \Vater \'/heel Toy Train for Observations !11nn. State Organisms on Site Kids Plant Haze Totem Pole Eatable Plants Trail Historical Center House on Stilts r~\ $SOO-$15OO I , / *Items costin ~ **Items costin $1500-$5000 Above List of Activities Compiled by: Dr. \olilliam Andberg L~'le Bradley Jerome ',v"lgner