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HomeMy WebLinkAboutAugust 28, 1984 ~ 01 ANDOVER REGULAR PLANNING AND ZONING COMMISSION MEETING AUGUST 28, 1984 AGENDA Call to order - 7:30 P.M. Approval of Minutes - August 6 & 14, 1984 1. Comm. #7-84-2 Cunningham Addition Preliminary Plat Public Hearing, Cont. Ordinance 8 Update Work Session 2. ~ 01 AN DOVER REGULAR PLANNING AND ZONING COMMISSION MEETING AUGUST 28, 1984 MINUTES The Regularly Scheduled Andover Planning and Zoning Commission meeting was called to order by Chairman Don Spotts at 7:30 P.M., Tuesday, August 28, 1984 at the Andover City Hall, 1685 Crosstown Boulevard N.W., Andover, Minnesota. Commissioners Present: Commissioners Absent: Also Present: Apel; Bosell; Jacobson; Jovanovich; Perry; Rogers None City Engineer, Jim Schrantz; Building Inspector, Dave Almgren; Robert DeGardner; others Approval of Minutes August 6, 1984 MOTION by Rogers, seconded by Apel to approve the minutes of August 6, 1984 as written. Motion carried on a 5 yes, 2 present (Jacobson, Jovanovich) vote. August 14, 1984 MOTION by Jacobson, seconded by Bosell to approve the minutes of August 14, 1984 as written. Motion carried on a 6 yes, 1 present (Jovanovich) vote. Cunningham Addition Preliminary Plat Public Hearing, Cont. (Comm. #7-84-2) Chairman Spotts noted that because the plat that was submitted after the last Planning Commission meeting is so completely different from the previous plat, the Andover Review Committee felt that it should be treated as a sketch plan rather than a preliminary plat. Commissioner Bosell noted that other developers have changed their preliminary plats and have not had to start over with a sketch plan. She didn't feel that we should be starting over with a sketch plan. City Engineer Schrantz stated that the Planning Commission has to decide if they agree with the Review Committee or if they want to treat this plan as the preliminary plat. Commissioner Apel agreed with Commissioner Bosell that it should be the preliminary plat. Robert DeGardner, developer of Cunningham Addition - stated that he met with the people who opposed the plat at the last meeting and because of their concerns, he changed the plat. He came back with a plat that doesn't have the concerns that were expressed at the last meeting. Chairman Spotts felt that if we assume the last plat was the sketch plan and this is the preliminary plat then we should be doing it right. City Engineer Schrantz noted that this item is on the September 4th Council agenda for ,onceptual approval as a sketch plan. Commissioner Jacobson felt that if the council is reviewing it on September 4th, it should be treated as a sketch plan. The other plat had prior approval several years ago. Because Regular Planning Commission Meeting August 28, 1984 - Minutes Page 2 {Cunningham Addition, Cont.) of the radical difference in the two plats, the Council should look at it again. Commissioner Bosell noted that there have been plats that have never gone through the sketch plan stage. Commiss10ner Apel noted that his concern is saving some time for Mr. DeGardner so that he can get started this construction season. Commissioner Jacobson stated that the change has been so major the public should have an opportunity to present their opinions. Allan Grayson, 13954 Crocus Street N.W. - noted that he was the only one at the last meeting and the plat as presented tonight meets with his approval. Commissioner Bosell stated that there were two residents at the last meeting and that Mr. Grayson was the only one who commented about the plat. Mr. Madsen's concern was Crocus Street. City Engineer Schrantz noted that the three northerly lots still have the same problem as before. The sewer still needs to be field located as we don't want the sewer line at the property line. Except for the street vacation, all of the other problems have been taken care of. There is a problem with soil boring #4, which should be disposed of also. Commissioner Bosell noted that that will not hold up the plat because it is an engineering item. It should be reviewed and rechecked. Mr. DeGardner suggested that the city could require a soil test before a building permit is issued. Commissioner noted that the city cannot approve a plat that has any unbuildable lots on it, so it will have to be taken care of prior to approval by the Council. She then asked if Lot 3 can meet the 60 foot requirement from the intersection. City Engineer Schrantz stated that was his other concern. As long as the lot is a minimum width for a corner lot, it has to be buildable. We have never restricted driveways on corner lots before. The problem is having a street and a driveway too close together. Commissioner Jacobson asked if Mr. DeGardner stated that he does not. plat has to be approved. Commissioner Jacobson asked if the assessments have been figured out. City Engineer Schrantz stated that the county said they are about $32,000; however, Mr. Schrantz felt that they are more. He also noted that the Park Board will review this plat on August 30, 1984. DeGardner has sole ownership of the property. Mr. Before the State of Minnesota will give him title, the Councilman Jacobson asked if there has been any conversation with the former owner who might try to reclaim this property. Mr. DeGardner noted that he has not spoken to him. Commissioner Bosell noted that the following items need to be on the plat: The dimension and surface of Dahlia Street; legend should state 9 single family residential lots; the density needs to be shown; the number of miles of road should be shown; and the park issue eeds to be dealt with. Discussion centered on the grading and filling that needs to be done prioer to final approval of the plat with Mr. Madsen stating it would be a waste of money to place fill on the lots and then dig it up for the basements. Commissioner Apel noted that it must be shown that the lots are buildable before the plat is approved. Regular Planning Commission Meeting August 28, 1984 - Minutes Page 3 (Cunningham Addition, Cont.) MOTION by Apel, seconded by Jacobson to close the public hearing. Motion carried unanimously. MOTION by Bosell, seconded by Apel that the Andover Planning and Zoning Commission recommend to the City Council approval of the preliminary plat of Cunningham Addition on the property described as 'All that part of the NW! and the NE! of Section 33, Township 32, Range 24, Anoka County, Minnesota, which lies northerly of the north line of Lot 1, Block 4, Northwoods Addition Plat 2 and its extension westerly to Branch Ditch No.5 which lies easterly of Branch Ditch No.5 as now located in said NW! and which lies westerly of Crocus Street N.W. and PARK in said Northwoods Addition Plat 2. Subject to an easement for road purposes over the north 66 feet of the Northwest! of Section 33 lying easterly of Branch Ditch No. 5 and over the north 66 feet of the Northeast! of Section 33 lying westerly of Park in Northwoods Addition Plat 2. Subject to easements of record, if any~. noting the following: 1) that the proposed vacation of easement on Lot 3, Block 1 be vacated and that the vacated portion rema in as a util ity easement for purposes of sanitary sewer facil ities with in that easement and that easement line be 10 feet removed from the sanitary sewer line; 2) that the soils report dated February 6, 1978 be updated as to the determination by the soils engineer as to the notation of mottled water elevation on soil boring #4; 3) that the title to this property be researched by the city attorney in lieu of the fact that this property was purchased as tax forfeited land to make certain the developer has the right to develop this property; 4) The plat was reviewed by the City Engineer and the Andover Review Committee and we have received comments from that committee noting conformance to the en~ineering standards; 5) A public hearing was held with input received from the neighborhood; 6) The plat is in compliance with the Comprehensive Plan and presents no hazard to the neighborhood or adjacent land. This approval will be contingent upon the following items being taken care of: 1) Lots 1 and 2, Block 1 be shaded to indicate fill in areas where needed; 2) Lot 3, Block 1 be restricted to the driveway location being on the westerly portion of the property; 3) Park Board decision. Discussion: City Engineer Schrantz noted that the Andover Review Committee didn't review this plat in great detail. There are some engineering things that need to be taken care of. He stated that he would like to address some items before it goes to the Council. Commissioner Jacobson noted that a public hearing still hasn't been held on the vacation of easement. He felt that there are a number of things that need to be changed so that it should come back to us. It was decided that the plat, as redrawn, should come back to the Commission for its next meeting. Vote on motion: Yes - Bosell, Apel, Rogers, Jovanovich, Spotts; No - Perry, Jacobson. Motion carried. This will go to the Planning Commission on September 11th and to the Council on September 18th. Recess 9:00 - Reconvene 9:15. At this time, the Planning Commission worked on the draft of Ordinance 8. Commissioner Perry felt that there should be a business district in the Urban area that is less than 2! acres in size. Commissioner Apel noted that we would have to come up with some property that would be zoned for that. Regular Planning Commission Meeting August 28, 1984 - Minutes Page 4 (Ordinance 8 Update, Cont.) Chairman Spotts noted that the Mayor felt we should look at what Maple Grove and Blaine are doing with their flex zoning. Commissioner Bosell stated that we have the Planned Unit Development section in the ordinance which is the same thing as flex zoning. Commissioner Jacobson felt that the PUD is better than flex zoning because with flex zoning, the developers have too much of a chance of making lot sizes smaller. It was also noted that we need a definition for condominiums, which will read as follows: 'A form of individual ownership within a building which entails jOint ownership and responsib- ility for maintenance and repairs of the land and other common property of the building.' Going through the definitions section of the ordinance, Commissioner Jacobson noted that the following changes and corrections need to be made: (A) Accessory Use or Structures. New wording: A use or structure or portion of a structure subordinate to and servlng the principal use or structure and customarily incidental thereto. (D) Airport or Heliport. new wording: Any land or structure which is used or intended for use, for the landing and take-off of any manned aircraft, ....... (M) Buildable Lot. new wording: A lot that meets 60% of the requirements of that zoning district provided it was a lot of record prior to the adoption of Ordinance 8, adopted Jan- uary 1, 1971. (N) Building. New wording. Any structure having a roof which may provide shelter or enclosure of persons, animals or chattle. When said structures are divided by party walls......... (P) Business. Any occupation, employment or enterprise wherein merchandise is exhibited or sold or where services are offered for compensation. (AAAA) Planned Unit Development (PUD). In the fifth sentence, the word shall will be changed to 'may'. The secretary will prepare a landscaping section which will be discussed at the next meeting. Commissioner Perry felt that it should be noted in the ordinance what businesses would be allowed in the sewered area and those that would be allowed in the non-sewered area or how big the lots would have to be in the non-sewered area fo~ certain businesses. The secretary was asked to check with Mr. Schrantz to see whether the number of SAC units for certain businesses should be included in this ordinance. MOTION by Rogers to adjourn. Motion carried. Meeting adjourned at 10:17 P.M. Respectfully submitted, U'W ~icki Volk Commission Secretary