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HomeMy WebLinkAboutNovember 27, 1984 ~ ~ ANDOVER REGULAR PLANNING AND ZONING COMMISSION MEETING NOVEMBER 27, 1984 MINUTES The regularly scheduled Andover Planning and Zoning Commission meeting was called to order by Chairman Don Spotts at 7:30 P.M., Tuesday, November 27,1984 at the Andover City Hall, 1685 Crosstown Boulevard N.W., Andover, Minnesota. Commissioners Present: Commissioners Absent: Also Present: Bosell; Jacobson; Jovanovich; Rogers Perry; Apel City Engineer Jim Schrantz; Councilman Jim Elling; others Approval of Minutes November 13, 1984 Page 5, in the motion, sixth sentence, change creating to create. MOTION by Bosell, seconded by Jacobson to approve the minutes of November 13,1984 as corrected. Motion carried on a 4 yes, 1 present (Rogers) vote. South Coon Creek Drive Rezoning, Cont. (Comm. #10-84-7) Commissioner Bosell noted that the City Engineer was going to check to see how much of the property involved in the rezoning is developable and where the MUSA line actually is. City Engi neer Schrantz stated that the line is as shown on the map. The 1990-2000 1 i ne will remain the same unless the city changes it. The biggest problem is the flood hazard map. Commissioner Bosell asked what the restrictions are in the 100 year flood area. Mr. Schrantz noted that you can fill in the flood fringe area as long as you don't create a backwater. Commissioner Jacobson noted that it's nice to look at the flood map and everything else, but if the Council decides they are not going to build a lift station, any other discussion is meaningless. Without a lift station, the property can not be served with sewer and the people can't develop. Commissioner Bosell asked Councilman Elling if it is still the Council's position that they won't install a lift station. Councilman Elling stated that the majority of the Council feels that way on South Coon Creek Drive. There are not enough parcels to make it cost effective. We will need to put in a lift station to cross the creek to get to Andover Boulevard and Lund's Evergreen Estates. He also noted that the reason the rezoning came about was because one person wanted to get a Special Use Permit for something in that area and it was not allowed in an R-4 district. Dionicio Borja - noted that if it's a wetland, it doesn't mean you can't build on it. If the problem is flooding, you can create a holding pond. Commissioner Bosell stated that we're restricted by the floodway itself. You can't fill it or anything else. In the flood fringe, you can fill. _Juncilman Elling noted that the Coon Creek Watershed Board doesn't want any more holding ponds. He also noted that the 100 feet on either side of the creek is for maintenance by the Watershed Board. Regular Planning Commission Meeting November 27, 1984 - Minutes Page 2 .ir. Borja, using the overhead projector, showed some drawings of the subject area, noting that in a study done by TKDA there are two areas in the city where lift stations were proposed to be installed. One area was Auditor's Subdivision No. 82 and the other is on Crosstown Boulevard going across Coon Creek. If the primary reason for not installing the lift station to serve his property is cost, what about these two lift stations? He also noted that because they now have curb and gutter on their street, their property is more valuable. Mr. Borja felt that if the lift station is installed on Crosstown Boulevard, his property could be served by gravity. Mr. Schrantz stated that the Council had a feasibil ity study done on Shady Knoll Addition and they decided not to build the lift station on Crosstown. The lift station shown in Auditor's Subdivision 82 was not installed because that property was served with gravity. He also noted that the City's development is controlled by the Metropolitan Council. Commissioner Jacobson explained to Mr. Borja that the study he read was done almost 10 years ago and it was only a possibility. Between that time and now, the city got involved in a discussion with the Metropolitan Council and they said that we should not try to build a lot of houses in the country; we should limit the housing to the southern part of the city where the sewer is available. The 1976 study was the best plan at that time but conditions have changed since then. Mr. Schrantz also noted that we need to find out how many of the property owners are interested in having the property remain R-4 and how many still think it's R-l. Perico Arcedo noted that he owns 20 acres in the subject area and is opposed to the rezoning. Chairman Spotts asked what other areas of the city should be developed with sanitary sewer. Mr. Schrantz noted that they had discussed serving the industrial area to the east. Commissioner Jacobson stated that the city is petitioning for a zoning change in this area because without sanitary sewer, it's zoned wrong. The city has taken the position that we will not be serving that area with a lift station. If the zoning is left as it is, we end up confusing the people. We should correct the zoning so that the property owners know what they can and cannot do. MOTION by Jacobson, seconded by Rogers that the Andover Planning and Zoning Commission recommend to the City Council approval of rezoning of that portion now designated R-4 that lies within Sections 28 and 29 as indicated by a map on the final page of the Planning Commission material from R-4 to R-l for the following reasons: 1) The City of Andover has indicated it cannot provide sanitary sewer to the majority of that area without a lift station. The City has taken the position that it doesn't want to build a lift station; 2) Rezoning will end confusion on uses which are or are not permitted in the zoning district; 3) Rezoning will clarify the actual use as indicated. A public hearing was held with 22 landowners notified and six appearing in opposition to the rezoning. Discussion: Mr. Borja asked if the motion could be changed so that if sewer becomes available with the installation of a lift station, the zoning would automatically be changed to R-4. Commissioner Bosell noted that it could not be done because the public hearing needs to be . eld. Vote on motion: Yes - Rogers, Bosell, Jacobson, Jovanovich; No - Spotts. Motion carried. This will go to the City Council on December 18, 1984. Regular Planning Commission Meeting November 27, 1984 - Mi nutes Page 3 Jiscussion - Neck Lots Councilman Elling noted that this item was referred to the Planning Commission because the Mayor and one other Councilman stated that they don't want to end up with a bunch of neck lots in the city. Commissioner Jacobson noted that there is nothing that needs to be done now. The ordinance says that you need to have the required number of feet of frontage at the building setback line. If you don't set up criteria and standards, then that means they are not allowed. He felt that our ordinances are adequate to handle the problem. He asked Councilman Elling if that would satisfy the City Council. Councilman Elling felt the Council would be satisfied. Commissioner Rogers noted that if an individual buys a landlocked piece of property, the city isn't responsible to give him access. MOTION by Jacobson, seconded by Jovanovich that the Planning and Zoning Commission recommend to the City Council the following course of action pertaining to neck lots within the city. After discussion, the Planning Commission finds that the existing ordinances do provide an adequate remedy for the establishment of neck lots in the city. The current platting ordinances are adequate to cover any such lots in new plats. Therefore, the Planning Commission recommends that no changes be made, no priorities. standards or criteria be set up. A variance procedure is included in the ordinances so that the Council can decide these on an individual basis. The Commission also finds that this problem is major enough to create a whole new ordinance. Motion carried unanimously. This will go to the City Council on December 18, 1984. Councilman Elling asked the Commission to consider some action on junk cars in the city as they are getting to be a problem. He suggested that any cars stored outside have to have a current license or they must be in a garage or screened. The main problem is the enforcement of an ordinance dealing with these cars. MOTION by Bosell to adjourn. Motion carried unanimously. Meeting adjourned at 9:30 P.M. Respectfully submitted, f:L. d~ Vicki Volk Commission Secretary