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HomeMy WebLinkAboutJanuary 8, 1985 ~ 0& ANDOVER REGULAR PLANNING AND ZONING COMMISSION MEETING JANUARY 8, 19~ AGENDA Call to order - 7:30 P.M. Approval of Minutes - 12/11/84 1. Comm. #12-84-1 Ord. 8, Sec. 6.02 - Townhouses/Condos/Apartments ~ 0& AN DOVER REGULAR PLANNING AND ZONING COMMISSION MEETING JANUARY 8, 1985 MINUTES The regularly scheduled Andover Planning and Zoning Commission meeting was called to order by Chairman Donald Jacobson at 7:30 P.M., Tuesday, January 8, 1985 at the Andover City Hall, 1685 Crosstown Boulevard N.W., Andover, Minnesota. Commissioners Present: Commissioners Absent: Also Present: Apel; Bosell; Rogers; Spotts Jovanovich Lary Carlson; Sylvia Britton; Mayor Windschitl; City Building Inspector, Dave Almgren; City Engineer, James Schrantz Approval of Minutes December 11, 1984 Page 1, John Thomsen SUP, second paragrpah, second sentence, the first word should be they rather than the. Page 3, 8th paragraph, first sentence, the word 'is' should be 'if'. MOTION by Spotts, seconded by Rogers to approve the minutes of December 11,1984 as corrected. Motion carried on a 4 yes, 2 present (Bosell, Apel) vote. Chairman Jacobson, recently appointed Chairman by the City Council, noted that in reading Robert's Rules of Order he has learned that the Chairman will not vote on motions. He also noted that the Planning Commission needs to have a swearing-in ceremony and asked the secretary to check on who should give the oath of office. The swearing-in ceremony will be on the next Planning Commission agenda. Woodland Terrace Sketch Plan Lary Carlson, developer - explained that Woodland Terrace is a major subdivision that will be south of Bunker Lake Boulevard and east of Round Lake Boulevard. Curt Adams - noted that he has been working on this plan for several months. They will work with the existing park so that there will be a safe play area for the children. He noted that they plan to hit different markets with the project and many different buyers. Mr. Carlson stated that they have never been involved in a project like this, so he contacted several different architectural firms and asked who the best planners are. They have chosen to use Hoskins and Young from St. Paul. Curt Adams - stated that he has talked to MnDOT and the County Highway Department and they said there should be one entry onto Bunker Lake Boulevard and one onto Round Lake Boulevard. However, they (the developers) felt the need to have two entries onto Round Lake Boulevard. Ponding is a critical part of the project. There is a 24" storm sewer in the northeast part of the project. Ponding would not hold water for any period of time, probably only for a few days. There are three different areas to drain into - one is Pond #122 in the northeast; Crooked Lake; and the southeast portion of the plat drains naturally into the Rum River Watershed. The project will be done in phases; the first phase is 40 acres and is composed of twin homes, condominiums, town homes and single family homes. There will be 5 units per cluster in the townhomes and the twin homes will have zero lot lines. Regular Planning Commission Meeting January 8, 1985 - Minutes Page 2 (Woodland Terrace, Cont.) Mr. Adams also noted that there will be eight units per cluster of rental units. An office building is proposed that will be 15,000 square feet. The first phase will include 1.4 acres for the office building, 3.6 acres for rental units, 13.5 acres for park, 6.9 acres for condominiums and 5.1 acres for twin homes. The western part of the property will be upper income homes and the east part will be more moderate income homes. The parkland will contain an area in the north for the smaller children; going south the parkland will be for ages 5-12 and the southern portion of the park is proposed for the teenage group. Mr. Adams presented drawings of the different types of dwellings in different styles. The office building will be similar in design to the homes. Also, after discussion at the City Council meeting, Mr. Adams changed the plan to extend Lily Street through. Mr. Carlson also noted that the City Council expressed concern over the rental properties in terms to density and zoning. Mayor Windschitl explained that the only rezoning that would be required would be for the office building. Mr. Adams stated that some of the lots are larger than what is required; 13,400 square feet rather than 11,400 square feet. Commissioner Apel felt that it would a well thought out project. The other Commissioners concurred with Commissioner Apel. Chairman Jacobson noted that there is property next to this and also across the street that is already zoned for office buildings. He also suggested that Mr. Carlson and Mr. Adams check Ordinance 8, Section 4.18 before they go ahead. When a Special Use Permit is issued, what is presented will be tied to that permit. He also noted that sanitary sewer and water have to petitioned for. Two concerns of Chairman Jacobson's are the traffic going onto Round Lake Boulevard and in the bottom right hand corner of the plat there is a strip of land that does not do anything. Dave Almgren noted that the plan is not quite accurate. Mr. Carlson should check on the relationship of the house to the easement on Lily Street. He also suggested that in the area of the town homes and condominiums, they should make sure there is adequate parking. Mayor Windschitl stated that this is the only parcel of land in the city that will enable us to get to the properties on Lily Street. It was noted that those people on Lily Street now have to get their mail through the Coon Rapids Post Office when they are actually in the City of Andover. Ordinance 8, Section 6.02 - Townhouses/Condos/Apartments (Comm. #12-84-1) Commissioner Spotts noted that he checked with the cities of Brooklyn Park, Brooklyn Center and Champlin and they have areas that are zoned for three or more dwelling units. Commissioner Bosell felt that one major point is whether townhouses, etc. are in fact single family homes. A single family home is a detached dwelling. Our definitions should be checked to see if they are correct. Commissioner Rogers noted that his problem is density. Regular Planning Commission Meeting January 8, 1985 - Minutes Page 3 (Townhouses/Condos/Apartments, Cont.) Mr. Jacobson suggested that Section 4.19 of Ordinance 8 be changed to include condominiums, and carriage homes as well as townhouses. Also, the third line from the bottom should be changed to read: 'Each dwelling unit has at least the minimum square footage requirement as listed in Ordinance 8, Section 6.02.' He also suggested changing Section 6.02 as follows: One family homes - leave as is. Two family homes - take that out and make it two or more family. Three or more family - take out. Take out 1 Bedroom Units and 2 or more bedrooms; leave efficiency units in. Under Floor Area Per Dwelling Unit - under R-5 change 600 square feet to 960 square feet. Change two family homes to two or more family homes. Take out 1 Bedroom, 2 bedroom and each additional bedroom. Leave efficiency unit in. Chairman Jacobson noted that by doing this, we are increasing the density. Commissioner Apel stated that he liked that because it simplifies the chart and increases the lot size and the unit size. Recess 8:40 - Reconvene 8:45 Commissioner Bosell noted that Bill Hawkins said that even though the applicant has paid his money for a plat, we can change the rules mid-stream. Mayor Windschitl felt that the minimum square footage should 960 no matter what it is, 1 unit or 4 together. He asked if there is some way we can still give the developer some flexibility but say that if you have 40 acres the maximum number of units is ___' City Engineer Schrantz noted that the definition for Apartment has to be changed to read: 'Includes buildings with three or more dwelling units and efficiency units.' It was suggested that Ordinance 8, Section 6.02 be changed to read as follows: Lot Area Per Dwelling Unit (Sq. Ft.) R-l R-2 R-3 R-4 R-5 M-l M-2 1 Family Home *2 or more family homes (per unit) Apartments Efficiency Unit 1 Bedroom Units 2 or more bedroom 2! A. 1 A. 20,000 5,000 11 ,400 5,500 8,550 3,750 4,000 5,000 6,000 3,000 4,000 5,000 Floor Area Per Dwelling Unit (Sq. Ft.) 1 family home *2 or more family homes *Apartments Efficiency Unit 1 Bedroom 2 Bedroom Each Add. Bedroom 960 1200 960 960 960 960 960 960 500 700 750 150 500 700 750 150 Garages (Sq. Ft.) 440 440 440 440 220+ 220+ 220+ 1 space 1 sp. 1 space multiple family development exceed a density 100% higher than that would if single family criteria were used for that appropriate zoning district. *In no case shall a would be obtainable Regular Planning Commission Meeting January 8, 1985 - Minutes Page 4 (Townhouses/Condos/Apartments, Cont.) The secretary was asked to type a new chart for Section 6.02 for the next meeting and the City Engineer was also asked to write down his ideas on lot sizes and square footages for units. A definition must be put in the ordinance for Carriage Home/Manor Home and one for Condo- minimums and Townhouses. This item will be discussed at the next regularly scheduled meeting. MOTION by Rogers, seconded by Apel to adjourn. Motion carried. Meeting adjourned at 10:15 P.M. Respectfully submitted, U'W Vicki Volk Commission Secretary