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HomeMy WebLinkAboutMarch 26, 1985 e<<, 01 ANDOVER REGULAR PLANNING AND ZONING COMMISSION MEETING MARCH 26, 1985 MINUTES The regularly scheduled Andover Planning and Zoning Commission was called to order by Acting Chairman Don Spotts at 7:30 P.M., Tuesday, March 26,1985 at the Andover City Hall, 1685 Crosstown Boulevard N.W., Andover, MN. Commissioners Present: Commissioners Absent: Also Present: Apel; Jovanovich; Rogers Bosell; Jacobson (arrived at 7:55) Dave Almgren, Building Official; Jim Schrantz, City Engineer; Lawrence B. Carlson, Curt Adams, Woodland Development; others Approval of Minutes March 12, 1985 MOTION by Rogers, seconded by Jovanovich to approve the minutes of March 12, 1985 as written. Motion carried on a 3 yes, 1 present (Apel) vote. Woodland Terrace Special Use Permit and Preliminary Plat Public Hearing (Comm. fll~85-2) Acting Chairman Spotts opened the public hearing. ,arry Koshak, Hokanson-Anderson - representing Mr. Carlson - explained that the plat is 82.7 acres and encompasses the property that is south of Bunker Lake Boulevard extending south to the Coon Rapids city limits. On the east it borders the Assembly of God Church property and abuts the development along Crooked Lake; to the west the property borders Chapman's Additions and Weise's Additions. The existing zoning is R-4 and it is proposed as a Planned Unit Development. There are a total of 163 single family lots with two areas of condominiums for a total of 241 units. The condominium units will be located in a cluster along Bunker Lake Boulevard and also next to the park. There is one commercial unit in the northwest corner of Bunker Lake Boulevard. The commercial space is for an office building. The proposed density is 2.64 units per acre. The park dedication is 2.63 acres. The lots are approximately 12,000 square feet each. John Shaffer, 13360 Jonquil Street N.W. - asked if any of this had been approved. It was noted that Mr. Carl son submitted a sketch pl an to the City Council and Pl anni ng Commi ssi on previously but nothing has been approved as yet. Curt Adams, Woodland Development - stated that the cOndominiums in the northeast corner along Bunker Lake Boulevard would have two units up and two units down; the roof lines will be kept down with vaulted ceilings in the units. Russ Sibinski, 3423 - 135th Avenue N.W. - asked if the families will own the property or if they are going to be rental units. Mr. Adams stated that they will be owned. The condominium owners will belong to a'home- owners association. Faith Prigge, 13404 Jonquil Street N.W. - couldn't understand why there has to be multiple units in a single family area. Regular Planning Co ssion Mt Ing March 26, 1985 - Minutes Page 2 (Woodland Terrace, Cont.) Mike Keene, 3137 - 135th Lane N.W. - asked the price range for the units and if there will be any two story homes. Curt Adams - noted that there will be two story single family units. The townhouses next to the park will range from $95,000 to $120,000. The condominiums in the northeast corner will range in price from $55,000 - $75,000. The single family units will range in price from $95,000 to $150,000 and from $70,000 to $85,000. Faith Prigge - asked if Woodland Development designs the single family homes. Mr. Adams explained that they first select models from different builders which are approved by their architectural committee. Also, if a lot owner has his own plans, they are also approved by their office. Mrs. Prigge asked how they plan to build on the woorde lots. Mr. Adams noted that they will clear out the brush but will try to save as many trees as possible. Bob Loftus, 13233 Lily Street N.W. - asked about the traffic problem. Acting Chairman Spotts noted that in order for Mr. Carlson to make this project go, he has to have approval from the Anoka County Highway Department for their access to the County Roads (Bunker Lake Boulevard and Round Lake Boulevard). (Chairman Jacobson arrived at this time [7:55J) 1im Larson, 13315 Lily Street N.W. - noted that in the southern part of the plat, there will ~robab1y be 2.2 cars per unit and suggested putting in stop lights on the entrance to Round Lake Boulevard. Curt Adams noted that according to the County Highway Department, Round Lake Boulevard has been built for four lanes. Jeff Neubauer, 3522 - 135th AvenueN.W. - expressed concern about the traffic problem on Round Lake Boulevard and also stated that the speed limit is too high. Jerry Domino, 3422 - 135th Lane N.W. - asked how the utilities will be handled. Chairman Jacobson noted that the developer petitions for the services and the city puts them in. Mr. Domino asked how this will affect them. Jim SchrantL explained that in order to develop this property, the city will have to increase their capacity with a well and possibly a water tower. The property owners who benefit from the services will be assessed. Mrs. Prigge expressed concern about where the children from all of the houses will go to school. Chairman Jacobson noted that the city cannot deny a plat because of the number of children that might possibly live there. City Engineer Schrantz also noted that the school district follows developments and are aware of what is coming. Sylvia Britton, Woodland Development - stated that the school district has been notified about this plat. Jerry Domino asked who maintains the park. Chairman Jacobson noted that the city will take over the maintenance. Dan Irman, 3422 - l35th Avenue N.W. - asked if there will be any tax increase because of Regular Planning Commission Meeting March 26, 1985 - Minutes Page 3 ,Woodland Terrace, Cont.) the park being developed. Chairman Jacobson explained that when someone develops property, they either give land or money or both. Mr. Carlson needs to go before the Park Board to present his plan. Mr. Adams noted that the proposed park will have a soccer field, 2 ball fields and a tot lot. Commissioner Spotts asked what they plan to do with Outlot "A". Mr. Adams noted that it will be used for a drainage system. Mr. Priggerasked what the time frame is for the second phase. Mr. Adams stated it is two years. Linda Roberts, 3442 - 135th Avenue N.W. - asked if there will be standing water in the pond in the park. Larry Koshak explained that the ponds are designed to be dry ponds. After a rainfall the water will seep away within a short period of time. There will be an outlet that will drain the water over to the Rum River. These are not stagnant ponds. Mike Keene - asked what obligation Mr. Carlson is under to complete the project. Chainnan Jacobson noted that once the plat is finaled, he has to comply with everything that is shown. If, for some reason Mr. Carlson sold the land, the new owner would still lave to comply with the final plat. If he wanted to change it, he would have to come back to the Planning Commission and the City Council. Sandra Jeanotte, 3512 - 135th Avenue N.W. - asked if Mr. Carlson owns the property. Mr. Carlson noted that he does own the property. Mrs. Prigge asked what the rationale is for a PUD. Chainnan Jacobson explained that it is for mixed uses. He wants to do things that he normally wou1dnLt be able to do. Mrs. Prigge felt that it should be left at R-4. Chairman Jacobson noted that if it was developed with only single family dwellings he would be able to get three units per acre. Mr.Domino asked what the developer's experience is. Lary Carlson stated that they have done 25 developments in the area inCluding LakeRidge, White Oaks, Woodland Ridge and Fox Meadows. These are all quality developments. He also noted that 75-80% of their sales have come from referrals. Mr. Domino asked if the city is proposing to provide any type of bonding such as Industrial Revenue Bonds for this project. Mr. Carlson noted that the city will provide some bonding but not IRB's. Most of it will be done with private monies. Mr. Carlson also noted that this type of project will provide the city with mixed uses, which are not available in the city now. Discussion continued on the traffic problem on Round Lake Boulevard. Rosemary Kirkevold, 13311 Round Lake Boulevard stated that the county has been working on the traffic problem ~n that road for the last couple of years. Bob Palmer, Andover Fire Chief - noted that the County is going to widen County Roa.d 20 in hopes of funneling the traffic down Hanson Boulevard instead of Round Lake Boulevard. Regular Planning Cv",mission /vlt::cting March 26, 1985 - Minutes Page 4 (Woodland Terrace, Cont.) Recess 8:52 - Reconvene 9:10 The Planning Commission concurred that there is nO proDlem with thePlannecl Unit Development concept for this property. Commissioner Rogers asked if there will De covenants on the property. Mr. Adams noted that there will be. Chairman Jacobson suggested taking a straw vote to see if the Commission is in favor of the PUD. If they are not in favor, it would not make sense to go ahead with the PUDlic Hearing on the plat. MOTION by Jacobson, seconded by Ape1 that the Commission would recommencl and approve the concept of a Planned Unit Development known as Woodland Terrace. Motion carriecl unanimouslY. Chairman Jacobson noted once again that this is merely a straw vote sti\tl.n9 tha,t the Planning Commission feels that the PUD is reasonable for this piece of property. Jim Schrantz noted that he spoke to the County traffic engineer and he stilted tha.t Narcissus Street doesn't line up with the existing street. Chairman Jacobson felt that we should wait for the county to respond to this plat in writing before doing anything. Mr. Schrantz also noted that the City of Coon Rapids would like to see ~ilY Street extended but would not want Narcissus Street extended into Coon Rapids. Chairman Jacobson also stated that we would like to have something on record from the Coon ;reek Watershed District. There was some discussion regarding the Rum River Watershed and the drainage from this plat. Chairman Jacobson asked Mr. Carlson if he had thought about sidewalks on l33rcl ~ane. Mr. Carlson stated that he was not impressed with the suggestion. He stated that he would prefer changing the street location rather than having to put in sidewalks. Chai rman Jacobson thought that out10ts were not a 11 owed in pl ats. Mr. Schrantz statecl that out10ts to prevent access are not permitted. Chairman Jacobson askecl how retains the ownership of the out1ots. Mr. Carlson stated that he does. Outlots A & B are basicallY for drainage. They will be dedicated to the city. . Mr. Carlson presented a plan to the Commission showing single family lots in the northeast corner where the condominiums are proposed to go. He wasn't sure if the condos would sell and would like to have the option of changing that area to single family. It was noted that Mr. Carlson could possibly present two different plans to the Council. However, when the plat is fina1ed he will have to choose one or the other. Outlot C could be given to the property owners adjoining it. subject to the necessary easements. This item will be continued on April 9, 1985. Shore1and Manaqement Ordinance (Comm.ft2~85~1) The secretary noted that she spoke to Molly Comeau of the Department of Natural Resources and Ms. Comeau would 1 ike to have a meeting with the Planning Commission before a public hearing is held on the ordinance. Ms. Comeau also mentionecl that the DNR is not in favor of the lot sizes and setbacks that the city has listed in the orclinance and asked Regular Planning Commission Meeting March 26, 1985 - Minutes Page 5 :Shoreland Management Ordinance, Cont.) why the City doesn't want to adopt what the State is suggesting. Chairman Jacobson requested that the secretary contact Ms. Comeau requesting the DNR's comments in writing and informing them that a public hearing will be held on this ordinance on April 23, 1985 if they wish to attend. MOTION by Apel, seconded by Rogers to adjourn. Motion carried unanimously. Meeting adjourned at 10:35 P.M. Respectfully submitted, uw Vicki Volk, Commission Secretary