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HomeMy WebLinkAboutOctober 22, 1985 CITY of ANDOVER REGULAR PLANNING AND ZONING COMMISSION MEETING OCTOBER 22, 1985 - AGENDA Call to Order - 7:30 P.M. Approval of Minutes L Comm. #9-85-3 2. C6mm. #9-85-4 3. Comm. #10-85-2 4. Comm. #8-85-3 5. Comm. #9-85-9 6. Comm. #10-85-3 Prairie Oaks Preliminary Plat Public Hearing CreekRidge Estates Preliminary Plat Public Hearing Wallace Chipman Lot Split Groundwater Heat Pumps, Cont. Ordinance 46, Section 3A, Cont. Good Value Homes Sketch Plan CITY of ANDOVER REGULAR PLANNING AND ZONING COMMISSION MEETING OCTOBER 22, 1985 - MINUTES The Regularly Scheduled Andover Planning and Zoning Commission meeting was called to order by Chairman Don Jacobson at 7:30 P.M., Tuesday, October 22, 1985 at the Andover City Hall, 1685 Crosstown Boulevard N.W., Andover, MN. Commissioners Present: commissioners Absent: Also Present: Boselli Rogersi Jovanovich, Ward Apel Jim Schrantz, City Engineer; Dave Almgren, Building Official; Wallace Chipman; Ken Gust; Bob Grover; Gene Baki others Approval of Minutes October 8, 1985 MOTION by Rogers, seconded by Jovanovich to approve the minutes of October 8, 1985 as written. }1otion carried on a 5 yes, 1 present (Ward) vote. Wallace Chipman Lot Split (Comm. #10-85-2) Wallace Chipman, 16022 Swallow Street N.W. - noted that when they purchased their property, it was bought as two separate lots and they were combined without their knowledge by the person hOlding the contract for deed. They would like to split the lot into two parcels. Chairman Jacobson stated that on either side of him the properties are zoned R-3 but his area is zoned R-l. According to the County, the property is one parcel. Mr. Chipman noted that there are only two other lots in the area that are not built on. Most of the other lots are smaller than his. Commissioner Jovanovich asked how small the lots will be when they are split. Mr. Chipman noted that they will be approximately 130' x 344' each. Commissioner Bosell explained that according to Ordinance 40, there needs to be a hardship for this to be approved. She asked if the hardship could be that the lots were combined. The concensus of the Commission was that the combination of the lots without the Chipman's knowledge could be a hardship. MOTION by Bosell, seconded by Ward that the Andover Planning and Zoning Commission recommend to the City Council approval of a lot split requested by Wallace Chipman for the property described as PIN 15 32 24 32 0029 for the following reasons: 1) This request comes under Ordinance 40 and its Regular Planning Commission Meeting October 22, 1985 - Minutes Page 2 (Chipman Lot Split, Cont.) amendments and requires a variance from Section llAl regarding the resultant lot having the minimum requirements. This lot is zoned R-l and 60% of that requirement is not met by this request. The Planning Commission recommends, however, that under Ordinance 40, Section 4, Appeal Provisions, that this lot would fall under the provisions of that section inasmuch as prior to the time the final payment of the Contract for Deed was made, the former owner combined these lots, therefore, making the one lot of record. We would request the City Council would agree with this determination and approve the lot split request as requested; 2) It appears from the records that this was subdivided before 1971 when the Zoning Ordinance carne into effect and therefore, it is the recommendation that a park dedication fee be paid unless it has already been taken care of. Motion carried unanimously. This will go to the City Council on November 5, 1985. Prairie Oaks Preliminary Plat Public Hearing (Comm. #9-85-3) Gene Bak - noted that the drainage plan will be provided to the City Engineer this week. There will be no drainage easements on Lots 2 and 3. There will be ponding and easements on the rest of the lots however. On the plat, the elevation is incorrect; it should read 898.5. Chairman Jacobson noted that on the legend it should say individual sewage disposal systems. At this time Chairman Jacobson opened the public hearing. Sophie Kozlowski, 1021 Crosstown Boulevard N.W. - noted that she owns a piece of property next to this plat which only has 80 feet of frontage. She asked the developers if they would be interested in purchasing this piece of property as it is no good to her with only 80 feet of frontage. Commissioner Bosell questioned the length of the cul-de-sac and asked if the Commissioners agree that it is the best use of the land. Chairman Jacobson noted that they had agreed that that was the best way to go. Jim Schrantz, City Engineer noted that he tried to get something north/south but nothing worked out. John Bailey, 15380 prairie Road - Noted that he raises pigs and cows and asked if that would interfere with anything. Mr. Jacobson explained to Mr. Bailey that he was there first, so anyone building by him would not be able to do anything about it. ~1r. Bak stated that they would like to get some of the road work done yet this year. MOTION by Bosell, seconded by Rogers to continue this item to November 12, 1985. Motion carried unanimously. Regular Planning Commission Meeting October 22, 1985 - Minutes Page <3 CreekRidge Estates Preliminary Plat Public Hearing (Comm. #9-85-4) Ken Gust, engineer for the developers - stated that the Park Board is considering taking Outlot A and the long lot on the south side of South Coon Creek Drive as park dedication. Commissioner Bosell noted that the lot sizes in Phase I have been changed to meet the Shoreland Management Ordinance. Chairman Jacobson stated that Lots 5, 4, 3 and 2 of Block 1 need to have at least 80 feet of frontage. Also, there are lots in Block 2 and Block 3 that need to be larger. Commissioner Bosell stated that the lots need to have 85 feet of frontage at the building setback line. She also questioned the lots fronting on South Coon Creek Drive, which because it is an MSA street, does not allow any parking. Discussion centered on the sanitary sewer which will only be 5 feet below the grade. Mr. Schrantz noted that there would be no problem serving them with water, but there might be a problem with the sewer. Ms. Bosell asked what will happen with what was originally developer agrees with what the Park Board is recommending. that it will be another lot. park land if the Mr. Gust stated Mr. Schrantz felt that Lots 1 and 2 of Block 6 might be a problem because of the soils. At this time, Chairman Jacobson opened the public hearing. Recess 8:25 - Reconvene 8:39. Wesley Spadgenske, 2934 South Coon Creek loss of trees on the north side of South narrow lots to the west of his property. lots would be. Drive - expressed concern with Coon Creek Drive and also with He asked what the frontage of the the those Mr. Schrantz noted that they would be about 100 feet. Richard Krusemark, 2990 South Coon Creek Drive - concerned that with the number of lots on the west end of South Coon Creek Drive, traffic will become a problem. Mr. Jacobson mentioned the road access on the \vest side of the plat (Kerry and Jonquil Streets). Tom O'Malley, surveyor - noted that the developers and the City Council both feel it should remain as shown on the plat. IIr. Jacobson felt that if those two streets went straight down to South Coon Creek Drive, the lots would be able to access off of them rather than South Coon Creek Drive. Mr. Gust felt there would be a problem running the sewer up those two streets. Also discussed was putting in a service road along South Coon Creek Drive which would eliminate having the driveways front on the road. Hr. Schrantz Regular Planning Commission Meeting October 22, 1985 - Minutes Page 4 (CreekRidge Estates, Cont.) noted that the city just spent $700,000 putting in South Coon Creek Drive and by putting in a service road, we would probably lose a lot of the trees that we fought to save. Ms. Bosell noted that she would be willing to trade off the lots on the south if they didn't have any lots fronting on the north side of South Coon Creek Drive. Chairman Jacobson suggested that Mr. Gust meet with the City Engineer to work out some new street designs. Mr. O'r1alley asked about the possibility of having common driveways on the south side of South Coon Creek Drive. Mr. Jacobson stated that there would still be just as much traffic. Commissioner Bosell noted an objection to the Park Board's recommendation for the land on the south side of South Coon Creek Drive. Merlyn Prochniak, Park Board Chairman - noted tha.t they looked at the number of homes and the size of the lots and the fact that there is no park in the area and decided that a park in that area should be dedicated. He also noted that they have made an agreement with the developer to grade and seed part of that area. The area on the south side of South Coon Creek Drive would be used as an open recreation area. Chairman Jacobson asked Mr. Prochniak if he would take this back to the Park Board with the feelings of the Planning Commission. Mr. Krusemark noted that he would like to see it become a park, but it should be undeveloped. MOTION by Bosell, seconded by Rogers to continue this item to the November 12th meeting. Motion carried unanimously. Groundwater Heat Pump Ordinance (Comm. #8-85-3) Commissioner Ward felt that in Section 1, the word discharging should be changed to discharged. Also, the phrase 'manner acceptable to the City of Andover' is very vague. Commissioner Bosell stated that there is a person on Argon Street who is dispensing water onto his neighbor's property. He would not know what is acceptable until we tell him. Chairman Jacobson suggested changing it to read: 'or discharging in a manner provided for in this ordinance'. Also in Section 1, the following will be added after 'Natural waterways, reservoirs or other means of discharging water through surface disposal may': "only be used upon obtaining prior approval from the City Building Official". Section 5 - add at the end of the section, the following: "Or is in violation of Department of Health standards". Regular Planning Commission Meeting October 22, 1985 - Minutes Page 5 (Groundwater Heat Pump Ord., Cont.) Dave Almgren suggested using Building Official rather than Building Inspector so that he can designate someone else to do some of the things in this ordinance if he doesn't have time. MOTION by Ward, seconded by Rogers that the Andover Planning and Zoning Commission recommend to the City Council adoption of the attached ordinance as it is in the best interest of the public health and safety of the residents of Andover. A public hearing was held and the ordinance was drafted after comments from the public. Vote on motion: Motion carried. Yes - Ward, Jovanovich, Rogers, Jacobson; No - Bosell. This will go to the City Council on Noverr~er 5, 1985. Good Value Homes Sketch Plan (Comm. .#lQ~85-3L John Peterson, stated that Good Value Homes has 188 acres that they have owned for a number of years. Recently they were assessed for water for this property, so they decided to plat it. They have two 40 acre parcels south of M.R. Olson and Heidelberger's properties. The assessments are for all of that except for the easterly most 40 acres. Sixty acres of the property is zoned industrial. The site has a couple of ponds and the creek running through it. It goes from very nice on the west side to some not so nice to the east. The sketch plan shows 408 single family lots. They are suggesting 8 acres for park land plus cash. The park land is a very good location because of Bunker Lake Boulevard and because it is high and dry. There is also a part of the plat where a new fire station will be located. Commissioner Rogers felt that there would be a problem having the entrance to the park and the fire station in the same location. Chairman Jacobson also noted concern with having the park on Bunker Lake Boulevard because children will want to run across Bunker to go to the Speedy Market and people driving past the park will turn to look at what is going on in the park, which could cause accidents. ~1r. Peterson noted that if the park is moved to the south it would not be developed for several years. Moving the park to the east would not be a good idea either. Commissioner Bosell thought that there were plans to have SOme kind of traffic control at that intersection (Bunker Lake Boulevard and Crosstown Boulevard) . Mr. Jacobson noted that there are some_ lots that have double frontage and he asked Mr. Peterson if there is something that can be done to eliminate that. Mr. Peterson stated that they looked at that and the reason for it is so that the street would be built on open land, rather than having to remove trees to put in the street. Ms. Bosell didn't feel that the lots were double frontage lots because they cannot exit onto Bunker Lake Boulevard. Regular Planning Commission Meeting October 22, 1985 - Minutes Page 6 (Good Value Sketch Plan, Cant.) Mr. Peterson also noted that the County has an interest in moving Crooked Lake Boulevard to match up with Crosstown Boulevard. Their plan is to put Crooked Lake Boulevard through the nicest part of Good Value's land. As developers, they would not want to see a 100 foot street through the parcel and they also do not want l33rd along the south side of the plat. l33rd would be constructed as an MSA street. Mr. Jacobson asked what the time frame on the plat would be. Mr. Peterson stated that they would like to come in with a preliminary plat soon and would hope to have homes under construction by next fall. Ordinance Discussion Several ordinance violations in the city were discussed. MOTION by Rogers, seconded by Jovanovich to adjourn. Motion carried unanimously. Meeting adjourned at 10:34 P.~. Respectfully submitted, U-Idb Vicki Volk Commission Secretary