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HomeMy WebLinkAboutAugust 12, 2003 0 0 '~ (}.ú ¡~ q-q-ò3 0 CITY of ANDOVER PLANNING AND ZONING COMMISSION MEETING - AUGUST 12, 2003 The Regular Bi-Monthly Meeting of the Andover Planning and Zoning Commission was called to order by Chairperson Daninger on August 12,2003, 7:04 p.m., at the Andover City Hall, 1685 Crosstown Boulevard NW, Andover, Minnesota. Commissioners present: Chairperson Daninger, Commissioners Tim Kirchoff, Tony Gamache, Rex Greenwald, Jonathan Jasper and Michael Casey. Commissioners absent: Commissioner Dean Vatne. Also present: City Planner, Courtney Bednarz Others ~) APPROVAL OF MINUTES. July 8, 2003 Motion by Gamache, seconded by Kirchoff, to approve the minutes as presented. Motion carried on a 6-ayes, O-nays, I-absent (Vatne) vote. PUBLIC HEARING: LOT SPLIT (02-10) TO CREATE TWO RURAL RESIDENTIAL LOTS FOR PROPERTY LOCATED AT 16287 MAKAH STREET NW. Mr. Bednarz explained this item was mistakenly added to the agenda. There is no need for a Public Hearing to be h~ld because the Planning Commission previously recommended approval of the lot split. This item will be addressed by the City Council on August 19, 2003. Chairperson Daninger asked if there was anyone from the audience that wanted to speak on this item. ~ No one came forward to speak. Regular Andover PlannQ and Zoning Commission Meeting 0 Minutes - August 12, 2003 Page 2 ~J PUBLIC HEARING: SKETCH PLAN REVIEW OF AN URBAN RESIDENTIAL PLAT LOCATED AT 1374161sT AVENUENW. Mr. Bednarz explained the Planning and Zoning Commission is asked to review a residential sketch plan for the subject property. The proposed project is located in an R- I, Single Family Rural Residential Zoning District. A rezoning to R-4, Single Family Urban Residential, will be necessary to process a formal plat. Mr. Bednarz reviewed the infonnation with the Commission. Commissioner Gamache asked if, in Chesterton Commons and Cambridge Estates Second Addition, the lots are all built or there is a possibility of connecting the cul-de- sacs on the south end. Mr. Bednarz stated all the lots are built on now and at the south end the only way a connection could be made is if one of the property owners or both would be willing to sell some property to a developer to connect the streets. Commissioner Greenwald asked what the length of the cul-de-sac is. Chairperson Daninger stated it was 1,150 feet. Commissioner Greenwald asked where it started. Mr. Bednarz stated it started from Crane and I 59th intersection. He stated it is the last opportunity to have an alternate route. :,J Commissioner Kirchoff stated it does say that the County is requesting to vacate the two driveways along County Road 20, is this part of the project? Mr. Bednarz stated at this time they should not ask for this because the existing homes are currently using the driveways but in the future if those homes or properties are incorporated into the plat, then there would be an opportunity to reorient their access to an internal street. Commissioner Greenwald asked where access to the park would be. Mr. Bednarz stated it would be on the proposed street. Mr. Bednarz stated it was the Park Commissions recommendation to locate the park on the north side of the wetland and adjacent to 159th Avenue. Commissioner Jasper stated there are comments in the Park minutes about an easement for a trail to the park on Drake Street. Was it the intention of the Park Commission to place the park on the south end of the plat. Mr. Bednarz stated the neighboring residents would need to participate to allow the space for the trail to be created so either the developer would need to purchase the property to provide that connection or there would not be one, with the only exception being, if the Council saw it as so necessary, they would have the ability to condemn the property to allow for a trail to go in. Chairperson Daninger summarized the issues involved with this item. ; '\ Commissioner Gamache asked if it would be a possibility to curve the road down by the ,~ cul-de-sac and run it into the wetland and culvert the wetland. Mr. Bednarz stated he - Regular Andover PlannQ and Zoning Commission Meeting 0 Minutes - August 12, 2003 Page 3 8 thought it would be very difficult, if not prohibited by the Watershed District to take a road through the wetland. Commissioner Kirchoff asked where the two houses were that the County is asking to vacate and realign driveways. Mr. Bednarz showed the Commission on the map where the houses are and stated the two properties were not part of the proposal. ; Commissioner Jasper stated the two cul-de-sacs shown on the sketch ¡Ian to the north are 1 not proposed to be installed at this time and the connection from 160 Lane to Yellow ! Pine is not proposed to be installed now. Mr. Bednarz stated that was correct. ¡ Commissioner Jasper asked if the developer owned the property at this time. The , developer stated they did not own that property. Commissioner Jasper asked if there was another possible location for the park. The developer showed a sketch of where they could put the park either north of the wetland or at the south end of the project. Chairperson Daninger asked if the park was located in the lots 4,5, or 6, would this extend the southerly cul-de-sac. The developer stated it would if they removed the park. ; C) Motion by Greenwald, seconded by Gamache, to open the public hearing at 7:31 p.m. Motion carried on a 6-ayes, O-nays, I-absent (V atne) vote. Mr. Jeff Cook, 1389 I 56th Lane NW, stated he is one of the property owners and no one : , has talked to him regarding an access to the park on the north end. He stated he is concerned about the wetland and where they plan on installing the park. He stated in the ; wetland there is a pool of water that is wet ten months out of the year. He stated he has tried on several occasions to talk to the current owner and the City to try to keep up on , this but he could not get all the formal documentation on it and it is not clear on what is : I expected for the parcel. He stated the amount of traffic that will add to 159thwould be huge. He stated they already have issues with this and it will increase the· traffic and it will be difficult to get in and out of the developments. Ms. Dianna Hunter, 15885 Crane St. NW, stated she also has a concern with the traffic coming in and this would be the only access into the development and there are a lot of children and she cannot see not having another access into there. Mr. Cook stated there is a lot of wildlife in the area and he hoped the Council will take into consideration of what they have there and if they could increase the size of the park to eliminate the length of the cul-de-sac to preserve the wetlands and keep the wildlife, it would be greatly appreciated by the residents. CJ Regular Andover Plann(;) and Zoning Commission Meeting 0 Minutes - August 12, 2003 Page 4 /--\ <J The developer showed a map highlighting existing development surrounding the proposed project. He stated the wetland is delineated already on the sketch plan and the true boundary of the wetland will still be the same and show that on the sketch plan. I ! Mr. Cook stated he has talked to the staff and was told wetland delineation had not been done. Mr. Bednarz stated the City does not have documentation of the delineation. He also reviewed the information provided in a public notice. Motion by Gamache, seconded by Kirchoff, to close the public hearing at 7:40 p.m. Motion carried on a 6-ayes, O-nays, I-absent (V atne) vote. Commissioner Kirchoff stated from the beginning of all the developments in the area, they knew these would be problems because the land is all infill property and the law still allows people to develop the property to the uses that are allowed within the zoning , already approved. He stated because of these problems, the City went ahead with a , transportation plan and they have to try to make these types of properties work. Chairperson Daninger stated they worked to try to get an access out of the south end when this was previously looked at. Commissioner Greenwald stated he did not like any of the four discussion items (access, (J cul-de-sac length, park location, residents proposal for street realignment). Parks should be put where there are better accesses and the length of the cul-de-sac is too long. The Commission discussed the length of the cul-de-sac and the Cities requirements regarding them. Chairperson Daninger explained the next issue would be the park and where it is planned. Commissioner Greenwald asked how long the wetland is and if they would need a wetland study. The developer stated it is exactly the same size in the sketch plan as it is now. Chairperson Daninger stated the issue is the park versus the cul-de-sac because if they move the park to where it may be recommended, then the developer will want to extend the cul-de-sac. One of his concerns is there is some area down there and an eleven hundred foot cul-de-sac is pushing it and he wondered if they shortened the cul-de-sac and made the park a little bigger. He did not know if they could make the park bigger but it would eliminate some of the traffic. Commissioner Kirchoff stated he thought of that too but he thought they would be going over their limit and would cost a lot of money. ; Commissioner Kirchoff stated he remembered the Drake Street connection and he recalled that this was always going to be a problem. Commissioner Gamache stated in .~ the short time he has been on the Commission they have gotten pretty close to this length of cul-de-sac on a variance and he does not know what is right or wrong but he goes back /--) r-) \ ,,- \..J Regular Andover Planning and Zoning Commission Meeting Minutes - August 12, 2003 Page 5 ~-) to their rights to develop the land and they need to try to work within the parameters as much as they can but they have previously allowed cul-de-sacs almost as long. Commissioner Gamache stated he liked the idea of shortening the cul-de-sac and expanding the park. Discussion continued in regards to where the park should be placed in the development. Chairperson Daninger recapped the ideas and what was talked about at the meeting. Discussion ensued in regards to the county roads and what they should require the developments to do. The Commission also recapped their opinions again on the issues of the cul-de-sac. Commissioner Jasper stated that it did not seem fair to require all of the road improvements requested by the county, but dividing the cost among the developments makes the most sense. Mr. Bednarz stated that this item would be before the Council at the September 2, 2003 City Council meeting. PUBLIC HEARING: PRELIMINARY PLAT OF ANDOVER CLOCKTOWER COMMONS LOCATED AT THE NORTHEAST CORNER OF HANSON AND / \ CROSSTOWN BOULEVARDS. 0 Mr. Bednarz explained the subject property was created in 1997 as one of the commercial properties in the Hamilton Square Plat. The applicant is proposing to plat the property i into five commercial properties to create a high quality commercial development to help ! serve the needs of the surrounding neighborhoods. Mr. Bednarz discussed the staff report with the Commission. Ms. Kendra Lindahl stated she was a land use planner with Landform representing the developer. She made a presentation to the Commission on Andover Clocktower Commons. Commissioner Jasper asked Ms. Lindahl if it was common to break these up into separate lots for the different businesses. Ms. Lindahl stated it is not uncommon at all with major chains because some of the businesses like to own their own land. Commissioner Jasper stated the last time they talked about this, she requested they allow a gas station to be built first, and he wondered what changed. Ms. Lindahl stated at this point, they would still like to work with flexibility but there were other businesses that were interested right away and they were still planning on a gas station. She stated the I ~-) phasing for this is a matter of fall and spring. Regular Andover PlannCi and Zoning Commission Meeting 0 Minutes - August 12, 2003 Page 6 0 Commissioner Jasper asked if they could find out who the tenants would be. Ms. Lindahl stated they have not fmalized the tenants yet but as soon as they have worked out a deal, they will be able to let everyone know who the tenants will be. Commissioner Greenwald asked if they do not have access onto Crosstown Boulevard. Ms. Lindahl stated they currently do not have access but they are requesting the County allow a right-in, right-out access onto Crosstown Boulevard. Motion by Greenwald, seconded by Gamache, to open the public hearing at 8:38 p.m. Motion carried on a 6-ayes, O-nays, I-absent (V atne) vote. There was no public input. Motion by Kirchoff, seconded by Gamache, to close the public hearing at 8:39 p.m. Motion carried on a 6-ayes, O-nays, I-absent (V atne) vote. Commissioner Kirchoff stated he hoped the developer will work with the County and City to make the improvements on Hanson and Crosstown and that will help the development. Commissioner Greenwald felt there would be a lot of foot traffic. Commissioner Jasper 8 asked if there was any concern about the foot traffic coming from the schools across Hanson. Commissioner Gamache stated there was talk a few years back about installing an overpass on Hanson Boulevard and would that increase the talk about installing one. Mr. Bednarz stated the main crossing will be at Hanson and Crosstown but it does not serve the middle school to cross there. In the long term, as the transportation ¡Ian indicates, there will be a signalized intersection at the middle school and 154 Avenue but that is not part of the proposal. Commissioner Gamache asked in regards to the convenience store, he wondered if this should not be on the site because of the cigarettes and issues with the school. Mr. Bednarz stated that was more of an issue for high school aged children. Motion by Greenwald, seconded by Gamache, to recommend to the City Council approval of Resolution No. _, approving the preliminary plat of Andover Clocktower Commons located at the northeast corner of Hanson and Crosstown Boulevard with the conditions of the attached resolution as written. Commissioner Jasper stated the project has many amenities, and he thought the clock tower will make this more of an exciting project. Chairperson Daninger agreed. Motion carried on a 6-ayes, O-nays, I-absent (V atne) vote. Mr. Bednarz stated that this item would be before the Council at the September 2, 2003 CJ City Council meeting. Regular Andover PlannQ and Zoning Commission Meeting 0 Minutes - August 12, 2003 Page 7 ~J PUBLIC HEARING: SPECIAL USE PERMIT (03-08) FOR PLANNED UNIT DEVELOPMENT REVIEW OF ANDOVER CLOCKTOWER COMMONS, A COMMERCIAL DEVELOPMENT TO BE LOCATED AT THE NORTHEAST CORNER OF HANSON AND CROSSTOWN BOULEVARDS. Mr. Bednarz explained the Planning Commission is asked to review a Special Use Permit request for a Planned Unit Development (PUD) consisting of five commercial properties on approximately 8.63 acres. Mr. Bednarz discussed the item with the Commission. Motion by Greenwald, seconded by Gamache, to open the public hearing at 8:38 p.m. Motion carried on a 6-ayes, O-nays, I-absent (V atne) vote. There was no public input. Motion by Kirchoff, seconded by Gamache, to close the public hearing at 8:39 p.m. Motion carried on a 6-ayes, O-nays, I-absent (Vatne) vote. :~J Motion by Greenwald, seconded by Gamache, to recommend to the City Council approval of Resolution No. _, approving the Special Use Permit subject to the conditions in the attached resolution. Motion carried on a 6-ayes, O-nays, I-absent (V atne) vote. Mr. Bednarz stated that this item would be before the Council at the September 2, 2003 City Council meeting. PUBLIC HEARING: AMENDMENT TO ORDINANCES 8,10, AND 40 AMENDING SUBDIVISION WITHIN THE RURAL RESER VE. Mr. Bednarz explained in the spring of2003, the City established a "Rural Reserve" area for portions of the City that will need to be reserved for urban density residential development. Currently, there are no restrictions on subdivision of these lands in either the zoning or subdivision ordinance. New language should be added to these ordinances to prevent premature subdivision of the "Rural Reserve" area without full City utilities. Mr. Bednarz discussed the information with the Commission. Commissioner Kirchoff asked regarding the intersection of 161 st and Round Lake Boulevard. He asked if there was some type of business in the rural reserve. Mr. C) Bednarz stated the property he was talking about was outside of the rural reserve. Regular Andover PlannQ and Zoning Commission Meeting Ü Minutes - August 12, 2003 ; , , Page 8 ; ,~-) Mr. Bednarz showed a map ofthe rural reserve. Commissioner Jasper stated his understanding of the rural reserve is the Met Council is saying it is land they will allow to be developed as long as it is at a higher density and it has to go through the approval process with the MUSA. This is why it is being set aside so that it can be a higher density instead of a five acres development in the future. Mr. Bednarz stated that it was an agreement between the City and the Met Council as they are asking all fringe cities to take on a share of the new housing demand. ! Discussion ensued in regards to how many homes will go into the Rural Reserve in the future. Motion by Gamache, seconded by Greenwald, to open the public hearing at 8:55 p.m. Motion carried on a 6-ayes, O-nays, I-absent (V atne) vote. There was no public input. Motion by Gamache, seconded by Kirchoff, to close the public hearing at 8:56 p.m. Motion carried on a 6-ayes, O-nays, I-absent (Vatne) vote. Commissioner Greenwald stated he thought this was a pretty proactive proposal. (J Motion by Gamache, seconded by Casey, to recommend to the City Council approval of Resolution No. _, approving the changes to Ordinances 8, 10 and 40 to control premature subdivision of lands set aside for future urban density residential, including the addendum. Motion carried on a 6-ayes, O-nays, I-absent (V atne) vote. Mr. Bednarz stated that this item would be before the Council at the September 2, 2003 City Council meeting. i i OTHER BUSINESS. Mr. Bednarz updated the Planning Commission on related items. Mr. Bednarz mentioned that there was a worksession held with the City Council to talk about a couple of items, one was the development around Festival Foods and they are anticipating a plat being submitted for that property to staff this week. He stated the Planning Commission will have an opportunity to look at that and will include the Target store as well as at least four other commercial pads. Mr. Bednarz explained another item at that meeting was the City staging plan. He stated as they have in their materials there is the staging plan map and they will be looking at ·potentially making some adjustments to that staging plan based on where the utilities are :~J Regular Andover Plann\J and Zoning Commission Meeting 0 Minutes - August 12, 2003 Page 9 ,) and where they are with property owner interest with development within the MUSA "--- boundary. Chairperson Daninger stated Mr. Bednarz had a letter of resignation from Commissioner Douglas Falk. Mr. Bednarz stated Commissioner Falk will be officially resigning from the Planning Commission because he will be going back overseas and will not be able to complete his term. The City Council will accept his resignation at the August 20, 2003 City Council meeting. Chairperson Daninger wanted to thank Commissioner Falk for his fine work as well as with the anned forces. Commissioner Jasper asked if the YMCA was putting the water park idea on hold. Mr. Bednarz stated he did not have any new information for the Commission but he could get more information for the Commission if they would like. ADJOURNMENT. Motion by Greenwald, seconded by Gamache, to adjourn the meeting at 9:01p.m. Motion carried on a 6-ayes, O-nays, I-absent (V atne) vote. (-) '----...... Respectfully Submitted, : Sue Osbeck, Recording Secretary TimeSaver Off Site Secretarial, Inc. i CJ