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HomeMy WebLinkAboutOctober 14, 2003 ~ ~o ~ cvY '2;> vS\ vJ:V' ,\'11,,- t\ \NóbVË (-) 1685 CROSSTOWN BOULEVARD N.W. . ANDOVER, MINNESOTA 55304. (763) 755-5100 '--_J FAX (763) 755-8923 . WWW .CI.ANDOVER.MN.US PLANNING AND ZONING COMMISSION MEETING - OCTOBER 14, 2003 The Regular Bi-Monthly Meeting of the Andover Planning and Zoning Commission was called to order by Chairperson Daninger on October 14, 2003, 7:00 p.m., at the Andover City Hall, 1685 Crosstown Boulevard NW, Andover, Minnesota. Commissioners present: Chairperson Daninger, Commissioners Tim Kirchoff, Tony Gamache, Rex Greenwald (arrived at 7:06 p.m.), Dean Vatne, Jonathan Jasper and Michael Casey. Commissioners absent: There were none. Also present: City Planner, Courtney Bednarz Community Development Director, Will Neumeister Associate Planner, Andy Cross Others 0 APPRO V AL OF MINUTES. September 23, 2003 Motion by Gamache, seconded by Kirchoff, to approve the minutes as presented. Motion carried on a 5-ayes, O-nays, I-present (Daninger), I-absent (Greenwald) vote. VARIANCE (03-09): TO CITY CODE 12-3-4 MINIMUM DISTRICT REQUIREMENTS TO ALLOW REDUCED SIDE YARD SETBACK FROM A COUNTY ROAD AT 3479 SOUTH COON CREEK DRIVE. Mr. Cross explained that the applicant's house was built in 1995 with its side yard facing Round Lake Boulevard. At that time the property conformed to the 40' County Road setback as required in the R-4 zoning district. As Anoka County and MnDOT proceed with project #02-609-12, the Round Lake Boulevard Expansion, the property's side yard setback will be reduced to 29'. Without a variance, the applicant's property will become legal non-conforming. The applicant is requesting a variance to the City's setback requirement so their property can '0 remain legal conforming despite its reduced setback along the County Road. Regular Andover PlannQ and Zoning Commission Meeting 0 Minutes - October 14, 2003 Page 2 () Mr. Cross discussed the information with the Commission. Commissioner Vatne stated it was noted as impacting other properties, has other variances been granted at this time. Mr. Bednarz stated there is one property owner with similar circumstances that they have granted a variance for. Motion by Kirchoff, seconded by Gamache, to approve the request for a variance to allow the property at 3479 Coon Creek Drive to have a side yard setback of29' along the County Roadway because it meets the criteria for granting a variance based on the County's road widening project. Motion carried on a 7-ayes, O-nays, O-absent (Greenwald) vote. Mr. Bednarz stated that this item would be before the Council at the November 4, 2003 City Council meeting. Commissioner Greenwald arrived at 7:06 p.m. PUBLIC HEARING: PRELIMINARY PLAT FOR ANDOVER MARKETPLACE EAST, A COMMERCIAL DEVELOPMENT LOCATED AT THE SOUTHWEST :~ CORNER OF BUNKER LAKE BOULEVARD AND MARTIN STREET NW. \_j Mr. Bednarz explained that the applicant is proposing to create a commercial development in the area south of Bunker Lake Boulevard between Martin and Quinn Street NW. The development has been reviewed and revised on several occasions based on input by the Economic Development Authority (EDA). The preliminary plat is being brought forward at this time to create three commercial lots and five outlots from the í subject property for the fIrst phase of construction. Once the plat has been approved, the I final details of each site will be determined through the Commercial Site Plan review i process. Mr. Bednarz discussed the information with the Commission. Mr. Bednarz noted that the EDA is a member of the Association but will no longer own land once the development is completed. He explained that there is a need for a trail easement on the south edge of the property. There will be a public trail constructed on the north side of Station Parkway. Commissioner Jasper asked who the outlots would be owned by. Mr. Bednarz stated the outlots would be owned by the owners association. I Commissioner Jasper asked how the outlots will be maintained and what assurance will I be made for maintenance. Mr. Bednarz stated there are association documents to make '0 Regular Andover Planí) and Zoning Commission Meeting (J Minutes - October 14, 2003 Page 3 - r , ) sure the property is maintained and if they are not, the City will have the ability to maintain them and assess the cost back to the owners. Commissioner Vatne stated there was discussion previously to relocate the ponds, he wondered if there was a comfort level that the ponds can be moved and that the outlots can be used. Mr. Bednarz stated there has been extensive review of this project and in working with the Coon Creek Watershed that level of comfort has been reached. Commissioner Kirchoff asked with the increase in traffic at the Quinn Street intersection, could the inbound lane be given a little more width. Mr. Bednarz stated Quinn Street was designed and constructed to serve the needs of both the Festival Food site and the rest of the development and no changes are contemplated. Commissioner Gamache asked if there has been thought to install signs on Bunker Lake Boulevard to try to deter trucks from using that entrance and they should use Hanson Boulevard. Mr. Bednarz stated they have had some comments on the design of the loading dock and they have revisited the plan and they did a field inspection and it was built per the plan. The turning radius width is there to allow a full size truck to make those movements. Motion by Kirchoff, seconded by Casey, to open the public hearing at 7:15 p.m. Motion carried on a 7 -ayes, O-nays, O-absent vote. , ) -' ! There was no public input. Motion by Kirchoff, seconded by Gamache, to close the public hearing at 7:16 p.m. Motion carried on a 7-ayes, O-nays, O-absent vote. Commissioner Jasper asked within the packet of material there is a detailed signage plan for turn lane and parking but no information for retail signage, is this a part of another review. Mr. Bednarz stated they have looked at a ~ign for both Target ~d Walgreen's and it has been revised several times. The signs would be similar tò what exists for the Movie Theater and restaurant. He stated the sign does incorporate some brick and rock face block as the foundation and then individual sign plates. Commissioner Greenwald asked if the outlots would be sufficient for a restaurant. Mr. Neumeister stated the lot on the comer of Martin Street and Bunker Lake Boulevard was increased in size for this reason. He stated the other two sites on the southwest comer are being worked on for restaurants or retail uses. Commissioner Greenwald asked under City Code 11-37 "Parks and Park Dedication", is this above normal or normal that it is ten percent of the market value of the property that would be required to pay the satisfied park dedication. Mr. Bednarz stated that is the '" Ordinance requirement for commercial or industrial property. Commissioner Greenwald , stated he thought the amount was excessive. ...........-' Regular Andover PlannQ and Zoning Commission Meeting 0 Minutes - October 14, 2003 Page 4 ') <J Commissioner Greenwald stated he hoped safety is going to be a consideration in the landscaping for this because previous landscaping in the development has gotten out of hand and become dangerous. Mr. Bednarz stated this has been identified as an issue that needs attention. Some of the landscaping on the east side of the Theater will be cut back to allow better site lines for exiting. Chairperson Daninger stated the commercial site plan will be a more detailed site plan of the store front but he wondered how this will compare to other businesses there. Mr. Bednarz stated the intent is for the design of all of the buildings to follow the theme of the Festival Foods development as well as the Theater and Tanners Restaurant to tie everything together. He stated they have not seen a final plan on the building elevations at this point. Mr. Keith DIstad, United Properties, explained he is familiar with the architecture of Walgreen's and Target. He is selling land to both entities. They specified to Target that they would like them to compliment Festival foods. He stated Target has been in contact with the architect of Festival Foods to see how to tie these buildings together architecturally. * Discussion ensued in regards to the upkeep of the developments outlots. ~ \, Motion by Greenwald, seconded by Gamache, to recommend to the City Council \~-j approval of Resolution No. _, approving the proposed plat subject to the conditions listing in the attached resolution and any additional items of concern. Motion carried on a 7 -ayes, O-nays, O-absent vote. Mr. Bednarz stated that this item would be before the Council at the November 4, 2003 City Council meeting. PUBLIC HEARING: RESIDENTIAL SKETCH PLAN FOR AN URBAN RESIDENTIAL DEVELOPMENT PROPOSED BY S. W. WOLD CONSTRUCTION FOR PROPERTY LOCA TED AT 1101161sT A VENUE NW. Mr. Bednarz explained the Planning and Zoning Commission is asked to review a residential sketch plan for a single family urban residential development. Mr. Bednarz reviewed the criteria with the Commission. Mr. Bednarz stated the City Council approved a comprehensive plan amendment to include the property within the 2020 Municipal Urban Service Boundary and within the current (2000-2005) stage of sewer expansion on October 7, 2003. The approval is . ---- subject to review by the Metropolitan Council. This amendment included a maximum of , ) 47.5 acres that would be served with municipal sewer. The discussion included a density ,~ Regular Andover PlannQ and Zoning Commission Meeting 0 Minutes - October 14, 2003 Page 5 CJ of 2.1 units per acre which would yield a total of approximately 100 units for the proposed development. The sketch plan exceeds this total and will need to be revised to conform to the limitations placed by the City Council. The property is zoned Single Family Rural Residential (R-l). A rezoning to Single Family Urban Residential (R-4) and (M-I) Multiple Dwelling Low Density will be needed. Planned Unit Development review would be necessary for the proposed townhouses. Mr. Bednarz discussed with the Commission the sketch plan. Commissioner Kirchoff stated some people have asked for two accesses onto 161 st. He did not see any reason for this because they are so close together anyway; he wondered what the purpose would be for this.' Mr~ Bednarz stated they are showing only one access with the alternate being a cul-de-sac. Ifthere were a second access with no cul-de-sac, they would need feedback from the Anoka County Highway Department to see how those accesses would work. He stated a second access would be very desirable for safety reasons. Commissioner Jasper asked which street is a feeder street. Mr. Bednarz stated the collector street would be which ever access would come off of County Road 20 and (J extend to the North edge. Commissioner Gamache asked if they were to go with the second scenario, the little square is ghosted in on one plan and is shown as an access on the other plan, is that piece of property part of this development or not. Mr. Bednarz stated this is something for the developer to answer because he is not sure. Mr. Scott Wold, with Pentagon Holdings said this is showing what could be proposed in the future. They do not own the property. Commissioner Gamache stated the reason he brought this up is because in plan two the access is going through the lot. Mr. Wold stated whichever one is more viable and desirable for both Planning and Council, they may go forward with and invite this into the plat. Commissioner Kirchoff stated they are looking at 47.5 acres and if they would include the other acres and would this have the effect on the number of units. Mr. Wold stated he understood it would. Mr. Bednarz stated the 2.5 acre parcel of land is currently outside of the MUSA and they would have to petition the City to have this brought into the MUSA. Commissioner Vatne stated on the NW part of the property, that is the wetland, will that be impacted by the hydrology study once it is completed in that the lots that are adjacent to that mayor may not be buildable. Mr. Bednarz stated the hydrology study will show :~ right where the line falls. He stated that right now it is an estimate. He explained that the Regular Andover PlannQ and Zoning Commission Meeting 0 Minutes - October 14, 2003 Page 6 I i ! eJ line may be pulled back and there may be more buildable area, but the study still needs to j be done to determine exactly what the elevation of the floodplain is. Commissioner Gamache stated the measurement on this property has to go all the way back to 161st Ave. NW. Mr. Bednarz stated this is correct. Motion by Kirchoff, seconded by Casey, to open the public hearing at 7:47 p.m. Motion carried on a 7-ayes, O-nays, O-absent vote. There was no public input. Motion by Gamache, seconded by Casey, to close the public hearing at 7:47 p.m. Motion carried on a 7 -ayes, O-nays, O-absent vote. Commissioner Greenwald stated this is another item with a long cul-de-sac and there would need to be a rezoning with this. Mr. Bednarz stated the rezoning would come with the plat. Commissioner Gamache stated he liked plan two because it takes the traffic off the main road. Commissioner Greenwald stated this also lengthens the length of the cul-de-sac from 161stAve. NW. (, ) Discussion ensued in regards to the length of the cul-de-sac, wetlands and the type of housing proposed. Chairperson Daninger explained there is a big concern about a feeder street. They should look at the sketch plan not having driveways on a feeder street. He stated the developer also needed to look at changing the roads to not include such a long cul-de-sac. Chairperson Daninger stated that the number of units needs to meet the sewer access allowed by Council and they need to have the hydrology report. He stated he would like more definition on townhomes. Commissioner Gamache stated he would prefer to see single family homes in this development and to exclude townhomes. Commissioner Kirchoff suggested they may not want to pursue two access points off of 161 st because they will be right next to each other and would be a waste. He stated to get this to work, they should look at the possibility of an emergency access be developed to the level the Fire Chief has recommended. Mr. Wold explained the roads in the development are all designed and they have done a wetland delineation and the road is configured in such a way that moving this over will ,--" not allow them to bring the road to the north. He does not know any other way of putting "----) a feeder street in to the north. He stated that this is what the City has said they want. As Regular Andover PlannQ and Zoning Commission Meeting 0 i Minutes - October 14, 2003 Page 7 ("~' \-J far as access, he does not think the County will allow them two accesses six hundred feet apart. * Mr. Wold stated that they are coming up with a sketch on the townhomes. They are using the townhomes as a buffer between the railroad tracks and the single family housing. He stated that the reason for the deep long lots is because of the wetlands that are there. He stated they have delineated so this will not adjust how the lots will lay out once the wetland study is done. The wetland study was done by Wenk Engineering, who does the engineering and approvals for the Coon Creek Watershed District. This property is the headwaters for the Rum River so they will contain water in the development and surrounding areas will not impact this development. Commissioner Jasper asked if they have explored a second access across the railroad tracks. Mr. Wold stated right now this is a private access and they do not have this access purchased. Discussion continued in regards to the length of the cul-de-sac and future connection to the north. Chairperson Daninger asked Mr. Wold if he had enough guidance from the discussion. Mr. Wold asked how he is supposed to run the cul-de-sac for future connection to the 0 north without having a long cul-de-sac. Chairperson Daninger stated they understood his dilemma but they are guided by the current ordinance in effect. Mr. Bednarz stated that perhaps the North end ofthe development should not be allowed to develop until a street connection can be made. The Commission continued to discuss cul-de-sac length. PUBLIC HEARING: COMPREHENSIVE PLAN AMENDMENT (03-07) TO EXTEND THE METROPOLITAN URBAN SERVICE AREA BOUNDARY (MUSA) TO INCLUDE PROPERTY LOCATED WEST OF NIGHTINGALE ESTATES THIRD ADDITION. Mr. Bednarz explained the applicant is requesting a Comprehensive Plan Amendment to extend the Municipal Urban Service Boundary (MUSA) to include the subject property. The applicant is also requesting that the property be guided for the current stage of sewer expansion (2000-2005). This would allow the property to be developed at an urban density with municipal sewer and water as early as next year. Mr. Bednarz discussed the staff report with the Commission. I Commissioner Kirchoff stated Rural Reserve has a connotation that this will be a rural /) area preserved for the future and this is not the intention, it is to make orderly growth in '--./ Regular Andover PlannQ and Zoning Commission Meeting 0 ; Minutes - October 14, 2003 i Page 8 (~) the future and to allow future sewer capacity and water needs based on the three and a '.--- half units per acre and this will develop into a residential setting sometime in the future. Mr. Bednarz stated the intent of the Rural Reserve was to set aside 1,000 acres for future i urban development and to put growth restrictions on it in the interim to prevent rural subdivisions from eliminating that possibility. Commissioner Jasper stated the fIrst thing that occurred to him was the only road access was outside of the MUSA and in the Rural Reserve that is not in the request to change. He wondered how this is accomplished if it is not part of the proposal and do they own the land. Mr. Bednarz stated in terms of constructing the roadway through the property that can be accomplished through property that is in Ag Preserve or in Rural Reserve. In terms of constructing a roadway thröugh property that is' in Ag. Preserve, the expense of that improvement would be born by that developer and could not be assessed back to that Ag property at any time in the future. It can be done but it would be wholly paid for by the development. Commissioner Jasper asked why there was a swap and why can't they develop the land that is already in the MUSA. Mr. Bednarz stated this would be a question for the developer. Motion by Gamache, seconded by Kirchoff, to open the public hearing at 8:40 p.m. , .-" Motion carried on a 7 -ayes, O-nays, O-absent vote. \ \......J Mr. Dan Johnson asked if it would be better for the developer to give his viewpoint before the audience asks questions. Chairperson Daninger and the Commission thought this would be fine. Mr. Byron Westlund, Woodland Development, explained his reasons for the land swap. Mr. Westlund stated from the beginning Woodland Development and the Slyzek family requested this piece of property not be included in the Rural Reserve. He stated the property is serviced for City sewer and water and is stubbed to a five acre piece to the west of Woodland Estates 4th Addition and they do own the 5.1 acres that is next to it where the proposed roadway is going to go through, it is in Ag. Preserve and has been withdrawn and is due to come out in 2007. He stated it has always been their intent to develop that as well as another five acre piece to the south. Commissioner Gamache stated the property to the south they are proposing to swap with, what is the landowners thought on this land. Mr. Westlund stated this is the Slyzek family that owns this land and they are aware of the request and support them on this. Mr. Johnson, 2165 154th Lane, stated that after listening to them tonight, as far as a land swap, he did not think this would fit into the plans because it will be an isolated piece of !- ) land by itself and will have a big cul-de-sac. He asked how the City knows it will fit into the future of the Rural Reserve. "--./ ~ Regular Andover PlannC2 and Zoning Commission Meeting 0 Minutes - October 14, 2003 Page 9 (J Mr. Dave Longermet, 2279 154th Lane NW, stated he is not opposed to development in this neighborhood. He is opposed to the MUSA switch because the plan was going to be that the development would not be in the next five to seven years, than the area west of Nightingale Estates would be able to be developed. This gives the neighborhood time to ! plan. ¡ ¡ Mr. Jerry Hippa, 15330 Uplander Street NW, explained he agreed with what the others mentioned and it appeared to him to be a leap frog type of decision. He stated he thought this would be more advantageous for the land owner and developer than it would be for the community. Motion by Greenwald, seconded by Vatne, to close the public hearing at 8:51 p.m. Motion carried on a 7-ayes, O-nays, O-absent vote. Chairperson Daninger asked what the future plans were for the development to the north. Mr. Westlund stated the future development to the north is not in their business plan and they do not have any rights to that property. He has talked to another developer regarding properties in the area. Chairperson Daninger stated if they recommend denial of the swap, when they would 0 develop the property they want to swap. Mr. Westlund stated he does not have an interest in developing this property because of the peat and the Slyzuk family does not have any interest in selling this land because of the good farmland. Commissioner Vatne stated if this swap were to take place, it would put into the Rural Reserve, property that is less developable. This has been a concern all along with the amount of acreage and number of units that could be developed. Discussion ensued in regards to the Rural Reserve and the proposed swap. Commissioner Gamache stated he is totally against the swap because this would be leapfrogging and he would like to see orderly development and by recommending the swap, they will end up with small developments everywhere and nothing will get connected to each other. Commissioner Kirchoff asked if there would be a cost to the City if they allowed this land to swap and be developed. Mr. Bednarz stated the development would be required to pay for all infrastructure costs. Commissioner Greenwald asked if both pieces of land would allow the same number of houses to be constructed. Mr. Westlund stated he did not know this. Commissioner Greenwald stated this would be the cost, tax revenue. 0 Commissioner Casey stated he failed to see what is wrong with the proposal. - Regular Andover PlannÇ) and Zoning Commission Meeting U Minutes - October 14, 2003 Page 10 C) Commissioner Kirchoff stated the area is planned for urban development. He was in favor of the proposal. Discussion continued regarding how the Rural Reserve was decided at the time and how in depth was it discussed at the time. Commissioner Jasper stated this spring the City had detailed discussion regarding the Rural Reserve and they went through a long process and the decision was made to include this property in the Rural Reserve. He thought this was premature to allow the swap. Commissioner Vatne explained he agreed. He tJ:1ought it was critical that the plans for the future be defined on how they are going to route their transportation systems, what they are going to do with their waterways and the treatment of the ditches. He thought they needed to have a better understanding of the developments that will be proposed. He stated he did not think they had enough definition as to how this will work to make an approval like this. The onus is on the developers and landowners if they want to speed the process along and he thought it was critical to get a better understanding of what the roadways are going to look like, how the hydrology studies are conducted such that they understand the water flow. All of this needs to be done in a timely manner, so the r - - '\ development can be allowed to proceed. \ J - - Commissioner Gamache stated he agreed with Commissioner Vatne. Mr. Westlund stated he thought they have gone quite extensive in trying to plan, given the information that is required by the City. He stated they have gone outside the boundaries of their plat, they have looked at the transportation plan, and they have addressed park issues and are looking at storm sewer issues. He stated they have gone beyond even what the City has done. He stated there has been a lot of thought to this. Motion by Kirchoff, seconded by Casey, to recommend to the City Council approval of Resolution No. _, approving the proposed Comprehensive Plan Amendment allowing expansion of the MUSA boundary and adjustment of the sewer staging plan as requested. Motion failed on a 2-ayes, 5-nays (Jasper, Vatne, Greenwald, Gamache, and Daninger), O-absent vote. Chåirperson Daninger stated the motion failed and a new motion needed to be made. Motion by Gamache, seconded by Vatne, to recommend to the City Council denial of Resolution No. _, denying the proposed Comprehensive Plan Amendment to allow expansion of the MUSA boundary and adjustment of the sewer staging plan as requested. ":~-) Commissioner Gamache stated he made this motion because he does not feel comfortable making a favorable motion because the City has put a plan together not that long ago. Regular Andover PlanJ~ and Zoning Commission Meeting 0 Minutes - October 14, 2003 Page 11 (~J ¡ Commissioner Vatne stated it is not a short coming in the work that has been done by the developer. It is a mismatch between where the City is at and being able to move to execute the proposed plan. Chairperson Daninger stated he did not believe it was advisable to move ahead without a plan for the Rural Reserve. Commissioner Greenwald stated he did not see the hardship on the real reason for the switch. The Commission knows that eventually they will both be developed. Commissioner Kirchoff stated this is unusual in that they do not usually see the same property owner swap out land,he was in favor of the proposal. Commissioner Jasper stated this is a timing issue to him. They have just gotten through the Rural Reserve, they have not had time to look at what should happen with that property as a whole and until that decision is made, it is premature to do this. Motion carried on a 5-ayes, 2-nays (Kirchoff, Casey), O-absent vote. Mr. Bednarz stated that this item would be before the Council at the November 4, 2003 ( " City Council meeting. \ ....J PUBLIC HEARING: RESIDENTIAL SKETCH PLAN FOR AN URBAN RESIDENTIAL DEVELOPMENT PROPOSED BY WOODLAND DEVELOPMENT FOR PROPERTY LOCATED WEST OF NIGHTINGALE ESTATES THIRD ADDITION. Mr. Bednarz explained the Planning and Zoning Commission is asked to review a residential sketch plan ~or a single family urban residential development. Mr. Bednarz reviewed the staff report with the Commission. Commissioner Kirchoff asked why lawn maintenance of lots 2, 3, and 5 will be difficult due to the location of the pond. Mr. Bednarz stated this regards the sketch plan where they have lots running through the pond. If they had lots with that orientation, they would have trouble accessing the rear of the property to mow the lawn. The revised sketch addresses that concern with locating a neighborhood park there. Motion by Casey, seconded by Kirchoff, to open the public hearing at 9:30 p.m. Motion carried on a 7-ayes, O-nays, O-absent vote. Mr. Dave Long, 2279 154th Lane NW, stated he had a couple of questions and concerns. (J He stated the fIrst concern is traffic safety. He stated he lives on Crosstown Boulevard " () 0 Regular Andover Planning and Zoning Commission Meeting ; Minutes - October 14, 2003 Page 12 (~.) ... -' which is two lanes and he wondered when this County Road would be developed to make it a safer road. The second concern is they have to put a price on crime prevention and residents will have to look for ways to secure their items on their property with more people roaming around in the neighborhoods. Chairperson Daninger asked in regards to development to the County Road, is the development paying for the upgrades of these roads. Mr. Bednarz stated the developer pays for all the roads within the development. Outside of the development; the City is looking to upgrade Nightingale St. in 2005-2006. This is within the cities control and ! would be funded by State Aid. Crosstown Boulevard, a County road, is dependent upon the County. The City can contribute state aid to a project, but the timing is up to Anoka County. Mr. Dan Johnson, 2165 154th Lane, explained the history of Andover's sewer and water over the years. Mr. Johnson explained some of his concerns with the development is that this is one large cul-de-sac and all of the other developments surrounding the proposed development are all hypothetical. They are currently only looking at one access into one isolated piece of property. ,-~ Mr. Johnson stated he was concerned with the traffic on 152nd Lane NW. He thought the \.j timing for this was premature and should be considered down the road. ! Mr. Jerry Hipp~ 15330 Uplander, stated his comment is to just make sure there is a more defined plan of where the roads will go from this development before the development is i ì approved so there is not any problems in the future. Motion by Gamache, seconded by Vatne, to close the public hearing at 9:40 p.m. Motion carried on a 7 -ayes, O-nays, O-absent vote. The Commission took a recess at 9:41p.m. Commissioners Gamache and Greenwald left the meeting at 9:41 p.m. The Commission reconvened at 9:46 p.m. ; Mr. Westlund stated there has been a lengthy discussion about the access in and out of ! the development. They have looked at this at length and on the sketch plan, from 152nd to 161 st there is continuation of streets going to the north, south, and west. As far as transportation issues they have done what they think is as good as can be done. r'-) \.----' 0 0 Regular Andover Planning and Zoning Commission Meeting Minutes - October 14, 2003 Page 13 C) Mr. Westlund stated as far as planning, they took into account the park concerns and the ponding issues. They created a drainage ponding and a neighborhood park for the area. , Mr. Westlund discussed the transportation problems and what they have done to alleviate it. Commissioner Kirchoff stated the Fire Chief cannot recommend anything that goes beyond five hundred feet, however, they are a developing City and they would never be able to build any road without the temporary cul-de-sac situations. Chairperson Daninger asked why a developer puts a pond by the park. Mr. Bednarz stated there was not a generalized answer to that. Commissioner Jasper commented on the site plan. He stated he understands the residents concern regarding the traffic but he does not see any other choice because the land that has been developed around it leaves no other choice. Commissioner Kirchoff stated that people like cul-de-sacs. By adding a north/south street, it would help out with the traffic flow. He stated he thought this was a good : development. 0 Commissioner Casey agreed. Chairperson Daninger stated they always like the ghost plat to give them ideas and to have two accesses coming out of it, adds to it and helps in the future. Commissioner Vatne stated in reading the staff report, it was noted that the majority of Council members indicated they would accept the single access into the development. He asked if this was a one time occurrence where they would accept this or would this be in a general sense. If they were to accept this as a general issue, it may have some bearing on the five hundred foot cul-de-sac rule they are trying to abide by so there may be an issue with the requirement on the cul-de-sac. Mr. Neumeister stated he was at the meeting and the Council deliberated on this and because there would be future connections on the north and west, they were willing to accept this because it was similar to some other developments where in the short term, it was a one way in, but ultimately it , , would be extended so they were willing to look at this. I Chairperson summarized the concerns of the Commission regarding the cul-de-sac and , traffic involving the development. Mr. Bednarz stated that this item would be before the Council at the November 4, 2003 City Council meeting. ,~ Regular Andover PlanniQ and Zoning Commission Meeting 0 Minutes - October 14, 2003 ; i Page 14 (J PUBLIC HEARING: REZONING REQUEST TO CHANGE THE ZONING i DESIGNATION FROM GENERAL BUSINESS (GB) TO MULTIPLE DWELLING I (M-2) FOR uVILLAS AT ANDOVER STATION". Mr. Cross explained the Planning and Zoning Commission is asked to review the proposed rezoning to allow for residential development on a parcel in Andover Station. Mr. Cross discussed the information with the Commission. Commissioner Kirchoff stated with this development being in close proximity to Target and Festival, was there a trail to allow the people access to both shopping areas. Mr. Neumeister showed on the site plan where the trail would be. Commissioner Vatne asked in item eight, it talks about being currently zoned for Commercial Use only and being rezoned to Residential Development. In item nine, it talks about the property being currently guided for Urban Residential High Density on the Comprehensive Land Use Plan. He wondered how this could be zoned one way and the Comprehensive Plan identifies this in another direction. Mr. Neumeister stated in this case, there is a redevelopment area identified by the City's EDA. They were reluctant to rezone until they actually had a development they wanted to pursue. 0 Commissioner Jasper asked if the gate monuments were decorative and not operational. Mr. Neumeister stated that was correct. Commissioner Jasper asked in the various motions, where it indicates the various outlots will not be allowed and will be reincorporated into the property. Mr. Neumeister stated it would be under the plat, but he did not see it in there, so they would need to add this as a condition to the motion. Commissioner Jasper asked if the picture of Wren wood Hills was his development and would this development look like that one. Mr. Greg ScWink, representing Bruggeman Properties, 3564 Rollingview Drive stated Wrenwood Hills was very representative of this project. It was their idea that this ties in with Andover Station so they can be compatible with it. The pathway system will connect to Andover Station. He stated on the garages, they have changed the plans to extend the garages two feet longer and two feet wider per the EDA's recommendation. Chairperson Daninger asked if staff was comfortable with the design of the unit. Mr. Neumeister stated they were. Chairperson Daninger asked regarding Station Parkway, they talked about landscaping for residential but not for Station Parkway. He asked if staff was comfortable with the 0 landscaping in the development. Mr. Neumeister showed a layout of the proposed Regular Andover Plann[) and Zoning Commission Meeting Ü Minutes - October 14, 2003 Page 15 ~--) landscaping of the development and explained they do feel comfortable and he described the different plantings to the Commission. Motion by Kirchoff, seconded by Casey, to open the public hearing at 10:29 p.m. Motion carried on a 5-ayes, O-nays, 2-absent (Gamache, Greenwald) vote. There was no public input. Motion by Kirchoff, seconded by Vatne, to close the public hearing at 10:29 p.m. Motion carried on a 5-ayes, O-:-nays, 2-absent (Gamache, Greenwald) vote. Motion by Kirchoff, seconded by Casey, to recommend to the City Council approval of Resolution No. _, approving the rezoning request based on the reason that times and conditions have changed. Motion carried on a 5-ayes, O-nays, 2-absent (Gamache, Greenwald) vote. Mr. Bednarz stated that this item would be before the Council at the November 4, 2003 City Council meeting. PUBLIC HEARING: PRELIMINARY PLAT FOR A DEVELOPMENT OF 75 TOWNHOME UNITS TO BE KNOWN AS "VILLAS AT ANDOVER STATION" 0 LOCATED SOUTH OF STATION PARKWAY IN ANDOVER STATION. Mr. Neumeister explained the Planning and Zoning Commission is asked to review a preliminary plat for the "Villas at Andover Station", a 75 unit townhome subdivision. Mr. Neumeister discussed the information with the Commission. Motion by Vatne, seconded by Casey, to open the public hearing at 10:30 p.m. Motion carried on a 5-ayes, O-nays, 2-absent (Gamache, Greenwald) vote. There was no public input. Motion by Vatne, seconded by Jasper, to close the public hearing at 10:30 p.m. Motion carried on a 5-ayes, O-nays, 2-absent (Gamache, Greenwald) vote. Motion by Jasper, seconded by Casey, to recommend to the City Council approval of Resolution No. _, approving the Preliminary Plat for the "Villas at Andover Station" subject to the conditions of the attached resolution adding a condition that the outlots as drawn on the preliminary plat submitted be eliminated and incorporated as owned by the development. Motion carried on a 5-ayes, O-nays, 2-absent (Gamache, Greenwald) vote. Mr. Bednarz stated that this item would be before the Council at the November 4, 2003 0 City Council meeting. - 0 0 Regular Andover Planning and Zoning Commission Meeting Minutes - October 14, 2003 Page 16 --~ ( " PUBLIC HEARING: CONDITIONAL USE PERMIT FOR PLANNED UNIT '-.J I DEVELOPMENT REVIEW OF "VILLAS AT ANDOVER STATION". Mr. Cross explained the Planning and Zoning Commission is asked to review a Conditional Use Permit request for a Planned Unit Development (PUD) consisting of75 units in 10 buildings on 8.65 acres. Approval of the Conditional Use Permit will allow the development to be constructed according to alternative development standards that are designed to maximize the redevelopment potential of the site. Mr. Cross discussed the information with the Commission. Motion by Kirchoff, seconded by Vatne, to open the public hearing at 10:32 p.m. Motion carried on a 5-ayes, O-nays, 2-absent (Gamache, Greenwald) vote. There was no public input. Motion by Kirchoff, seconded by Casey, to close the public hearing at 10:32 p.m. Motion carried on a 5-ayes, O-nays, 2-absent (Gamache, Greenwald) vote. : Motion by Kirchoff, seconded by Casey, to recommend to the City Council approval of Resolution No. _, approving the variances that have been identified and the special /) use permit subject to the conditions in the attached resolution. Motion carried on a 5- \.._-' , ayes, O-nays, 2-absent (Gamache, Greenwald) vote. Mr. Bednarz stated that this item would be before the Council at the November 4, 2003 City Council meeting. OTHER BUSINESS. Commissioner Kirchoff stated on October 23, 2003 at Blaine City Hall between 11 :00 a.m. and 3 :00 p.m., Transportation Alliance will be making presentations and entertaining i anybody who would be interested in some of the local and regional road improvements ; , such as Highway 65 and Round Lake Boulevard, Highway 10 or Northstar Corridor. Mr. Bednarz stated it looked like they will be canceling the October 28, 2003 Planning Commission meeting. Mr. Neumeister stated they will be putting out a public notice and taking applications for two open Planning Commission seats that are coming up at the end of the year. He stated if anyone is interested they will be taking applications until November 28, 2003 and a decision will be made by the City Council in December. /' -,,\ , ) "-/ 0 0 Regular Andover Planning and Zoning Commission Meeting Minutes - October 14, 2003 I Page 17 \ ADJOURNMENT. j Motion by Kirchoff, seconded by Vatne, to adjourn the meeting at 10:35 p.m. Motion carried on a 5-ayes, O-nays, 2-absent (Gamache, Greenwald) vote. Respectfully Submitted, ! Sue Osbeck, Recording Secretary TimeSaver Off Site Secretarial, 1nc. I , ;~ -", i , ¡ J '- " , ¡ ¡ i I .. , , ''-.--'