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HomeMy WebLinkAboutMay 25, 2004 () (~ CUìlO L{U.iL, ~NÓÒVE~ o -<"[ - 0,-1 ...') " ---./ PLANNING AND ZONING COMMISSION MEETING - MAY 25, 2004 The Regular Bi-Monthly Meeting of the Andover Planning and Zoning Commission was called to order by Chairperson Daninger on May 25, 2004, 7:00 p.m., at the Andover City Hall, 1685 Crosstown Boulevard NW, Andover, Minnesota. Commissioners present: Chairperson Daninger, Commissioners Tim Kirchoff, Tony Gamache, Dean Vatne, Jonathan Jasper (arrived at 7:09 p.m.) and Michael Casey (arrived at 7:15 p.m.). Commissioners absent: Commissioner Rex Greenwald. Also present: City Planner, Courtney Bednarz Associate Planner, Andy Cross Others , ) APPRO V AL OF MINUTES. May 11,2004 Motion by Kirchoff, seconded by Gamache, to approve the minutes as presented. Motion carried on a 4-ayes, O-nays, 3-absent (Casey, Jasper, and Greenwald) vote. PUBLIC HEARING: PRELIMINARY PUT OF HANSON MEADOWS, AN URBAN RESIDENTIAL DEVELOPMENT OF FOUR LOTS LOCATED AT 13309 JAY STREET NW. Mr. Bednarz explained that the Planning Commission is asked to review a preliminary plat with four urban residential lots located at the northeast comer of I33rd Avenue NW and Jay Street NW. The Planning Commission and Council previously reviewed this proposal as a sketch plan. Mr. Bednarz discussed the staff report with the Planning Commission. \ Commissioner Kirchoff asked how far the existing Jay Street driveway from the ) intersection of 133rd was. Mr. Bednarz stated this is fifteen feet from the intersection. u Ü Regular Andover Planning and Zoning Commission Meeting Minutes - May 25, 2004 Page 2 ~~.) Commissioner Kirchoff asked if this driveway were to be moved. Mr. Bednarz stated the existing driveway would be relocated onto 133rd because there would be a new lot there. Commissioner Gamache stated the residents behind the lots were concerned about the drainage area. He wondered if this new drainage area they are proposing going to alleviate some of the concerns of the residents. Mr. Bednarz stated the drainage area will be lower than the backyards of the adjacent homes. Commissioner Gamache stated this should take care of the concerns. He asked what the purpose of sharing the driveway is. Mr. Bednarz stated he believed this was to limit the number of accesses onto 133rd. Commissioner Jasper arrived at 7:09 p.m. Commissioner Gamache asked if they were to change the collector street ordinance, would the driveways comply on the road. Mr. Bednarz stated it would not because the trips per day would be between 3200 and 3600 trips per day according to the transportation plan. Commissioner Vatne asked in terms of the shared property, this would also require a variance. Mr. Bednarz stated the driveways would also require a variance to the 5 foot setback from interior property lines. (J Commissioner Kirchoff asked if the combined driveways would allow the two homes to use the driveway to turn around in. Mr. Bednarz stated it looked like there was sufficient room to do this. Commissioner Vatne asked under the proposed amendment if 133rd would be classified as a major or a minor collector street. Mr. Bednarz stated this would be a major collector road. Commissioner Kirchoff asked if the lots in Coon Rapids directly to the south have existing driveways on 133rd. Mr. Bednarz stated there were some driveways onÌ33rd directly to the south. Motion by Gamache, seconded by Vatne, to open the public hearing at 7:12 p.m. Motion carried on as-ayes, O-nays, 2-absent (Casey and Greenwald) vote. Mr. Gary VanKamp, 13318 Hummingbird St., wondered if the previous plan had three driveways and it was now reduced to two. The applicant nodded it was true. Mr. VanKamp was concerned about the flood pond shape because it abuts his property. He also was concerned that allowing an access onto a collector street will open it up to others putting driveways on collector streets. , \ Commissioner Casey arrived at 7:15 p.m. '-) - 0 0 Regular Andover Planning and Zoning Commission Meeting Minutes - May 25, 2004 Page 3 ~.~) Ms. Julie Magnon, 13257 Jay Street in Coon Rapids, wondered if they had any idea what type of houses are going up. She wondered if it was ever discussed to put less than three new houses on the property. Chairperson Daninger stated the issue of the number of houses was discussed previously. Ms. Linda Oberlander, 13315 Jay Street, stated three houses on this lot seem to be a lot. She stated she was mainly concerned because she is the neighbor next to him and she was concerned about the value of the houses put on the lots. Motion by Gamache, seconded by Kirchoff, to close the public hearing at 7:19 p.m. Motion carried on as-ayes, O-nays, I-absent (Greenwald) vote. Mr. James Napier, Midwest Land Surveyors, stated the homes will be split entry and 2 walkouts. He stated the houses will be in the $250,000 range. As far as the ponding, they have over compensated for this to allow for storm water. Commissioner Jasper asked if there were four lots with one not being built on. Mr. Bednarz stated there are still four lots and the City owns a lot next to these. All four lots will be built upon. Commissioner Vatne asked if the existing home faced west. He stated the new house will () have the driveway going out onto Jay Street and assumed this would also face west. Mr. Napier thought the builder will have the front of the home face south. It will be like a side load garage. Commissioner Vatne asked if the other homes will face south also. Mr. Napier stated that was ,correct. Commissioner Vatne asked if they sent the plans to the Coon Creek Watershed District for review. Mr. Napier stated it is in review scheduled for final approval at the Watershed District meeting on June 15th. Chairperson Daninger wondered what the alternate plan was. Mr. Napier explained the alternate plan for a private street to the north was not feasible due to neighborhood opposition and the need to use a portion of the area for storm water drainage. Commissioner Gamache stated they are already giving a variance for the driveways on 133rd. He does not want to give a variance for the driveways on 133rd and the shared driveway. He stated a shared driveway is not a good idea and he did not like the idea of this. Commissioner Kirchoff asked if they would have a problem having separated driveways. Mr. Napier stated they would rather do that this way. Commissioner Vatne stated his concern was driveway access at all onto a collector street. ~~J Commissioner Gamache stated the City of Coon Rapids has driveways on this road on the other side of the street. Commissioner Kirchoff agreed. ü 0 Regular Andover Planning and Zoning Commission Meeting Minutes - May 25, 2004 Page 4 /) '"j Chairperson Daninger stated his concern is they were putting driveways on an already busy street and they would have to give three variances for driveways. Mr. Rousseau stated the other alternatives were putting the driveways behind and they could not do this because of neighbor's opposition and the pond going through there. He questioned the number of cars on the road during the day at 3,300 because the last time they were talking about it, it was closer to 2,000. Chairperson Daninger stated this still exceeds their maximum. Mr. Bednarz stated the count accounts for build out in the future and not current traffic. Mr. Rousseau stated the area is fully developed except for his land and he did not think there would be any more traffic coming through. Commissioner Vatne stated he thought there will be additional traffic in the future with building to the north, west and east generally will cause more traffic. Commissioner Jasper stated his decision is the same as at the sketch plan review. He thought they were trying to force too much in a small area. Commissioner Kirchoff stated all four of the lots ar~ conforming to their ordinances in the City. He stated this is an infill proposaL He stated he would support a variance for the driveways coming out onto 133rd. Commissioner Casey concurred with ( ) Commissioner Kirchoff. ~- Chairperson Daninger stated he agreed that the lots are the right size but what are in front of them are the variances and the driveways. He wanted to make sure Commissioner Kirchoff was fme with this. Commissioner Kirchoff stated he was ok with this. Motion by Gamache, seconded by Casey, to recommend to the City Council approval of Resolution No. _, approving the Preliminary Plat of Hanson Meadows with the changes of the double driveway being split into two driveways and proposing they pass the variance for the driveways on the collector street. Motion carried on a 3-ayes, 3-nays, . I-absent (Greenwald) vote. HOíl () ¡J r).-\ LEn> A,li~f0"r::0 b 10':, -ù~ Mr. Bednarz stated that this item would be before the Council at the June 15,2004 City Council meeting. A comment from a member of the audience was there are only two driveways on 133rd in Coon Rapids and they belong to older homes. PUBLIC HEARING: REZONING (03-09) TO CHANGE THE ZONING FROM SINGLE FAMILY RURAL RESIDENTIAL (R-l) TO SINGLE FAMILY URBAN RESIDENTIAL (R-4) FOR PROPERTY LOCATED AT 1155 CROSSTOWN ") BOULEVARDNW. \__.J 0 U Regular Andover Planning and Zoning Commission Meeting Minutes - May 25, 2004 Page 5 \ , ¡ Mr. Bednarz explained that the Planning Commission is asked to review the proposed ~-- ...- rezoning of the subject property. The property is proposed to be incorporated into the Sophie's Manor development. Mr. Bednarz discussed the information with the Planning Commission. Commissioner Jasper asked for clarification on which piece of property was being added. Mr. Bednarz showed on a map the additional property. Motion by Kirchoff, seconded by Gamache, to open the public hearing at 7:38 p.m. Motion carried on a 6-ayes, O-nays, I-absent (Greenwald) vote. There was no public input. Motion by Gamache, seconded by Vatne, to close the public hearing at 7:38 p.m. Motion carried on a 6-ayes, O-nays, I-absent (Greenwald) vote. Commissioner Vatne stated the areas that are transitional residential are pretty straight forward and times have changed. Motion by Gamache, seconded by Vatne, to recommend to the City Council approval of r '\ Resolution No. _, approving the rezoning request based on the fact that times and , \_ jJ conditions have changed. Motion carried on a 6-ayes, O-nays, I-absent (Greenwald) vote. Mr. Bednarz stated that this item would be before the Council at the June 1,2004 City Council meeting. PUBLIC HEARING: AMENDED PRELIMINARY PLAT OF SOPHIE'S MANOR LOCATED AT 1021 AND 1155 CROSSTOWN BOULEVARD NW. Mr. Bednarz explained that the Planning Commission is asked to review an amended preliminary plat to allow the Gordon Hines property located at 1155 Crosstown Boulevard to be incorporated into the Sophie's Manor Preliminary Plat. Mr. Bednarz discussed the staff report with the Planning Commission. Commissioner Vatne asked for clarification, there was a proposal of adding a turn lane at Xeon St. He wondered if this will be a right turn lane and a left turn lane. Mr. Bednarz stated the proposal would be for two exit lanes coming out onto Crosstown. Commissioner Vatne stated it was an additional lane off ofXeon and not Crosstown. Mr. Bednarz stated this was correct. There would be two exits and one entrance. (,.) u U Regular Andover Planning and Zoning Commission Meeting Minutes - May 25, 2004 Page 6 , \ , , ) Commissioner Vatne asked if this was acceptable to the County. Mr. Bednarz stated it - was. Commissioner Vatne asked if there was a concern regarding the property matching up across the street to this development. Mr. Bednarz stated this has all been addressed. Commissioner Kirchoff asked if it was in their Ordinances to have double fronted lots on Crosstown. Mr. Bednarz stated this portion of the preliminary plat has been approved by the Council and double fronted lots are allowed. Motion by Gamache, seconded by Kirchoff, to open the public hearing at 7:44 p.m. Motion carried on a 6-ayes, O-nays, I-absent (Greenwald) vote. There was no public input. Motion by Kirchoff, seconded by Gamache, to close the public hearing at 7:44 p.m. Motion carried on a 6-ayes, O-nays, I-absent (Greenwald) vote. Chairperson Daninger stated they have seen this as a sketch plan and as a preliminary plat and there has been a lot of discussion regarding this and he has followed this and through time and effort things have come around and been taken care of. Commissioner Vatne asked if this was a collector street going through the development. " Mr. Bednarz stated this would be classified as a minor collector street with the proposed \ --~ ) changes in language to the Comprehensive Plan. Commissioner Vatne asked if they had a variance for putting driveways on the collector street. Mr. Bednarz stated they did. Motion by Gamache, seconded by Kirchoff, to recommend to the City Council approval of Resolution No. ------.:> approving the amended plat subject to the conditions in the attached resolution. Motion carried on a 6-ayes, O-nays, I-absent (Greenwald) vote. Mr. Bednarz stated that this item would be before the Council at the June 1,2004 City Council meeting. PUBLIC HEARING: COMPREHENSIVE PLAN AMENDMENT (04-01) TO FURTHER DEFINES COLLECTOR STREETS AND TO REVISE LANGUAGE CONCERNING GRADE SEPARATED RAILROAD CROSSINGS. Mr. Cross explained that the Planning Commission is asked to review the revised definition for "Collector Streets" and the revised language about grade separated railroad crossings to be included in the proposed Comprehensive Plan Amendment. Mr. Cross discussed the information with the Planning Commission. , '\ Commissioner Vatne asked what was the distinction between at grade and separated ,-,-) grade. Mr. Cross stated at grade means the railroad and the street are at the same level U f ') \-./ Regular Andover Planning and Zoning Commission Meeting Minutes - May 25, 2004 Page 7 \.. ) and separated grade means the railroad and street are at two separate levels such as a bridge going over. The Commissioner reviewed what was discussed at the last meeting. Commissioner Kirchoff stated in the Resolution where it is projected traffic. Should this be clarified to say for the 2020 or a projected year. Commissioner Gamache clarified Commissioner Kirchoff's question stating they should add a definition to the resolution stating it should state 2020. Motion by Gamache, seconded by Kirchoff, to open the public hearing at 7:58 p.m. Motion carried on a 6-ayes, O-nays, I-absent (Greenwald) vote. There was no public input. Motion by Vatne, seconded by Kirchoff, to close the public hearing at 7:58 p.m. Motion carried on a 6-ayes, O-nays, I-absent (Greenwald) vote. Motion by Gamache, seconded by Kirchoff, to recommend to the City Council approval of Resolution No. _, approving the amendments to the Comprehensive Plan with the addition of the defmition as discussed. ,- " , I \..j Commissioner Kirchoff stated he has been in this business for quite a while and the projected average daily traffic is not a true science. Commissioner Jasper stated that was why they chose scenario three because that was the highest of the estimates. Chairperson Daninger agreed. Motion carried on a 6-ayes, O-nays, I-absent (Greenwald) vote. Mr. Bednarz stated that this item would be before the Council at the June 15,2004 City Council meeting. OTHER BUSINESS. Mr. Bednarz updated the Planning Commission on related items. Mr. Bednarz mentioned that construction season has started. He noted the sites under construction in the City along with updates on Andover Station. Commissioner Gamache asked if there was any more information on the Clocktower development. Mr. Bednarz stated they are still in discussions with the County for additional accesses. -/--\ \J ( ì ,f J ~ \~ Regular Andover Planning and Zoning Commission Meeting - Minutes - May 25, 2004 Page 8 \ ¡ ADJOURNMENT. Motion by Gamache, seconded by Kirchoff, to adjourn the meeting at 8:02 p.m. Motion carried on a 6-ayes, O-nays, I-absent (Greenwald) vote. Respectfully Submitted, Sue Osbeck, Recording Secretary TimeSaver OffSžte Secretarial, Inc. . '\ " , . ) \ _/