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HomeMy WebLinkAboutNovember 21, 2002 () o o f) \.....J CITY of.ANDOVER PARK AND RECREATION COMMISSION MEETING -NOVEMBER 21, 2002 . MINUTES The Regular Bi-Monthly Meeting of the Andover Park and Recreation Commission was called to order by Commissioner Grabowski on November 21, 2002, 7:03 p.m., at the Andover City Hall, 1685 Crosstown Boulevard NW, Andover, Minnesota. Commissioners Present: Commissioners Al Grabowski, Dorrie Peterson, Dave Blackstad and Valerle Holthus. . Commissioners Absent: Chairman Jim Lindahl and Commissioner Paul Anderson Also Present: Parks Coordinator, Todd Haas RESIDENTS FORUM There were no comments at this time. APPROVAL OFMINUTES Commissioner Grabowski noted on Page one that his name was misspelled and thaton Page three the name of the ball fields west of the Andover High School is to be Eveland Fields, not Eveland Park as stated. Mr. Haas stated that he would correct the name of the Park. Motion by Blackstad, seconded by Peterson, to approve the November 7, 2002 Park Commission minutes as revised. Motion carried on a 3-ayes, O-nays, 2-absent (Lindahl and Anderson), I-present (Holthus) vote. APPROVE 2002-2003 HOCKEY SCHEDULE Mr. Haas explained that this item is in regards to approving the 2002-2003 hockey rink schedule at the 3 rinks that are available. Mr. Haas noted that the Andover & St. Francis Hockey Association applications were attached for the Commissioners review. r. '\. . Commissioner Peterson stated that she left a message for Andover and spoke with St. "J Francis regarding the teams. She asked Andover how many teams are they expecting. o Regular Andover Park & Recreation Commission Meeting Minutes - November 21, 2002 Page 2 o /'\ ~--) An An Andover Hockey Representative stated that there would be between twelve and fifteen in-house teams. Commissioner Peterson asked if the intent was that they use the facilities Monday through Friday. The hockey representative stated they'd prefer to use the rinks Monday, Tuesday and Thursday from 6:00 p.m. to 8:00 p.m. Ms. Holthus step down as Commissioner to represent the St. Francis Youth Hockey Association stated that St. Francis girl's hockey would like the use of Hawk Ridge Rink in January on Wednesday's from 6:30 p.m. to 8:00 p.m. Mr. Haas stated that the rink hours are from 4:00 p.m. to 9:00 p.m. Commissioner Grabowski explained that the largest problem in the past has been that the hockey teams don't show up when they are suppose to. Commissioner Blackstad stated that he has stopped by the rinks on certain nights as well and all of the rink rat kids had gone home for the day. Commissioner Peterson stated that the Commission should give the benefit of the doubt and allow the Andover Huskies Youth Hockey Association a schedule giving them the opportunity to get their teams practice times. ~'._) Commissioner Grabowski stated that he approves of the St. Francis schedule, however he is not all right with Andover's request for three nights a week for two hours. Commissioner Peterson explained that these schedules do still allow free skating. Commissioner Grabowski asked if Andover could be scheduled up until the 9:00 p.m. slot. An Andover Hockey Representative replied that the Andover kids are 8 years of age and younger and would prefer the early time as parents have also requested that the kids not be out later than 8:00 p.m. on school nights. He added that Tuesday and Thursday would be all right as well. Commissioner Peterson suggested that the associations work out a schedule basing it on what hours they feel that they would need first, and if they do actually need Monday to include it. Commissioner Grabowski also asked that the association provide the actual number of teams and the ages of the kids involved. c) Another Andover Hockey Representative stated that he has those lists available if the Commission would like to review them. He added that they are a desperate organization and are trying to build from the ground up with the resources that are available, which he stated has been a challenge. He also explained that they have been driving as far as the University of Minnesota to get indoor ice time for practice. He stated with having the o o Regular Andover Park & Recreation Commission Meeting Minutes - November 21, 2002 Page 3 ( ., \ "~ three rinks available in Andover they shouldn't being having this issue. Commissioner Peterson stated that the rinks are for the associations first and agree that there is a huge need for the teams involved. Commissioner Grabowski noted that there needs to be time allocated so that there is open skate ice time as well. Commissioner Peterson stated that there is open ice time noting that no one is requesting time on Friday, Saturday or Sunday. She added that she thinks for the first year the organization needs to be allowed the flexibility of setting up a schedule. Mr. Haas noted that most organizations start their practices at 6:00 p.m. . Mr. Haas stated that the association could work out a schedule and give it to Staff by the next Park Meeting, December 5, 2002. Mr. Rick Johnson, resident, stated that he feels Andover should only have one night a week for practice time, and asked how does the Commission expect the resident children skate time if the teams are taking up the prime time slots for practice. (J Commissioner Peterson stated that there is the need to accommodate the new hockey organizations and that there is still open ice skate time. Mr. Johnson stated that the rink is a busy place for the kids and shouldn't be used just for one organization also that one night a week is plenty for the hockey. Commissioner Peterson explained that there are many kids involved in the hockey organization, all residents of Andover, and that one night a week is not a fair amount of time. She repeated that there are days of free skate time available. Commissioner Peterson stated that the Commission is trying to find a balance for the association and the residents. Mr. Dave Benick resident, stated that he has four boys who play hockey but that they are also at the local rink up to five times a week to skate as well. He added that he can't get the kids to the rink before 6:00 p.m., which is when the hockey teams would be taking up the ice time. Commissioner Grabowski stated that he would be willing to table this until the next meeting. He also suggested that the associations be given one-hour practice time slots for four days a week over the two-hour slots. ,--'\ U Mr. Jerry Brista1l, resident, stated that he has been involved with youthhockey for 16 years and agrees that there needs to be open ice time. He also stated that he feels that two nights a week practice time would be more than enough time. o o Regular Andover Park & Recreation Commission Meeting Minutes - November 21,2002 Page 4 /" :..J Commissioner Blackstad recommended approving the schedule for Andover as Mondays through Thursday from 6:00 p.m. to 7:00 p.m., at all three rinks, with the additional time on Wednesdays from 7:00 p.m. to 8:00 p.m. for the St. Francis girls, in January. Commissioners discussed the time slots to approve. After discussion is was the consensus of the Commission to approve the Hockey Schedule as the following: Andover Youth Hockey: Monday and Thursdays from 6:00 p.m. to 7:00 p.m. all three rinks and Tuesdays at City Hall and Crooked Lake School from 6:00 p.m. to 8:00 p.m. and Hawkridge Park from 6:00 p.m. t07:00 p.m. St. Francis would be for the month of January (Wednesdays only) from 6:00 p.m. to 7:00 p.m. at Hawk Ridge Park. Motion by Blackstad, seconded by Peterson, to approve the 2002-2003 hockey Rink schedule as the following Andover Youth Hockey: Monday and Thursdays from 6:00 p.m. to 7:00 p.m. all three rinks and Tuesdays at City Hall and Crooked Lake School from 6:00 p.m. to 8:00 p.m. and Hawkridge Park from 6:00 p.m. t07:00 p.m. St. Francis: January only on Wednesdays 6:00 p.m. to 7:00 p.m. Hawk Ridge (parks. Motion carried on a 3-ayes, O-nays, 2-absent (Lindahl and Anderson) vote. CITY VIEW PARK ROW SKETCH PLAN o Mr. Haas explained that this item is in regards to a proposed sketch plan for City View Park Row. A copy of the sketch plan is in your side packet of your packet. Mr. Haas noted that the Park Commission is to consider the park dedication requirements for either land or cash in lieu of land. He stated although the parcel that is being considered for development was platted in 1976 as Weises 2nd Addition, the City's records at this point do not indicate that a park dedication fee has been paid. City staff recommends that a park dedication be required unless determination of park fees being paid by the developer can be proven otherwise. Motion by Blackstad, seconded by Holthus, to approve cash in lieu of land. Motion carried on a 4-ayes, 0- nays, 2-absent (Lindahl and Anderson) vote. DA VE HARRIS SKETCH PLAN/14220 CROSSTOWN BOULEVARD NW Mr. Haas explained that this item is in regards to a sketch plan for Dave Harris located at 14220 Crosstown Boulevard NW. Mr. Haas stated that this item is for informational purposes only and that it appears the park dedication was previously paid according to City plat file records. He noted it is recommended that the developer provide documentation to clarify this. He added that no action is required as long as documentation has been provided, also that the developer will be responsible to pay the trail fee. o o Regular Andover Park & Recreation Commission Meeting Minutes-November 21,2002 Page 5 o r '\ I '-J UPDATE OF POOL A GREEMENT WITH THE CITY OF ANOKA Mr. Haas suggested that this item be table until further information is received from the City of Anoka Motion by Blackstad, seconded by Holthus, to Table the pool agreement with the City of Anoka until further information is received. Motion carried on a 4-ayes, 0- nays, 2- absent (Lindahl and Anderson) vote. DISCUSS NAC/PARK DEDICATION STUDY Mr. Haas explained that the Commission was recommended to make a recommendation by the City Council. Commissioner Blackstad stated that there were no changes, noting that in the past the Commission had been accused of not doing their homework, he added that the work had been done this time with this report therefore stated that he feels Table 11 would be the appropriate Table to recommend. Mr~ Haas stated that there would be no park dedication fees for the commercial and (j therefore making the residents 100% responsible with the recommended Table 11. The Commission discussed what was left for the Commercial area Mr. Haas explained that Andover Station North and South were all that were left. Commissioner Holthus referred to Table 10 stating she feels that the ball field should be justified by referring to it as a sports complex. Commissioner Grabowski stated that they are just called community ball field complexes and that they other sports would be played there. The Commission discussion the Tables within the report. . Motion by Blackstad to recommend Table 11 as the basis for the Park Dedication fee in the Park Study. Motion died due to a lack of a second. Commissioner Holthus noted her concerns with Table 11 and stated that she feels Table 10 is more of a middle ground table. Commissioner Grabowski noted that the only reason he'd lean towards Table 10 is due to the loosing of the commercial participation fees in Table 11. The Commission discussed approving Table 11 or Table 10. After discussion it was C) decided to approve Table 11. o o Regular Andover Park & Recreation Commission Meeting Minutes -November 21,2002 Page 6 r- " ......_J Motion by Holthus, seconded by Peterson to recommend Table 11 with rational Park Dedication Fees for Commercial to be determined by City Council. Motion carried on a 4-ayes, 0- nays, 2-absent (Lindahl and Anderson) vote. CONSIDER 2003-2007 CIP FOR PARKS Mr. Haas explained that City Council requested the Parks Commission request the money for Prairie Knoll. He reviewed the information on the balance and stated that he has a draft of Prairie Knoll Park Commissioner Blackstad stated that in talking with Jim Dickenson it is thought that a loan of $300,000 should be requested giving a $100,000 cushion as well as it extends the loan out a couple of years. He noted this amount would take care of Prairie Knoll Park and Sunshine Park. Commissioner Blackstad stated that he would therefore recommend on the full amount of $300,000 for the CIP with additional projects to be determined at a later date. ':_J Motion by Blackstad, seconded by Holthus, to recommend the $300,000 loan, with the initial $200,000 of the money to be used for. Prairie Knoll and Sunshine and the additional $100,000 to be determined at a later date for what usage. Motion carried on a 4 -ayes, O-nays, 2-absent (Lindahl and Anderson) vote. Mr. Haas reviewed the Prairie Knoll plans noting the location of the fields, the free skate rink and the playground. He reminded the Commission that the difficulty of this site is due to the locations of the main gas lines. The Commission discussed the possibility of shifting the soccer field to the east, moving the playground, and then moving the free skate rink in order to keep the two winter activities closer to the warming house. Mr. Haas stated that StafIwould review these options and come back with another draft for the Commissions review. REVIEW OUTSTANDING ITEMS Mr. Haas reviewed outstanding items, noting that there were no changes. CHAIR'S REPORT Commissioner Peterson asked Mr. Haas ifhe knew when the next community center meeting was and if it could be televised. Mr. Haas stated that she could contact John regarding this and to find out if the meeting could be televised. /\ \ } "'--"" CJ Regular Andover Park & Recreation Commission Meeting Minutes - November 21, 2002 Page 7 () /'"'\ \ / Commissioner Grabowski asked Mr. Haas ifhe could obtain information on the cost from Anoka for review as a comparison. Mr. Haas replied that he would see if there was any information available. ADJOURNMENT Motion by Blackstad, seconded by Peterson, to acljourn the meeting at 8:50 p.m. Motion carried on a 4-ayes, O.nays, 2-absent (Lindahl and Anderson) vote. Respectfully Submitted, Rochelle Russo, Recording Secretary TimeSaver Off Site Secretarial, Inc. \ ,.) ()