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CITY of ANDOVER
1685 CROSSTOWN BOULEVARD N,W.· ANDOVER, MINNESOTA 55304· (763) 755-5100 FAX (763) 755-8923
Regular City Council Meeting - Tuesday, June 6, 2000 agenda
Call to Order - 7:00 PM
Resident Forum Bookmark
Agenda Approval Name
Consent Agenda
Approval of Minutes minutes
Discussion Items
I. Discuss Status of Grey Oaks greyoaks
2. Comprehensive Plan Amendment/RM to RU/Section 22/City of Andover, Cont. cpandover
3. RezoningIM-2 to R-4/Section 22/City of Andover Cont. rzandover
4. Sketch Plan Review/Nature's Run/Section 27/D,H.Land Company skpnaturesrun
5. Sketch Plan Review/Gold Nugget Development/Section 14 skpgoldnugget
6. Sketch Plan ReviewlMerit Development/Section 28 skmerit
7. Order Feasibility Report/00-171 Anoka County Library Trail Construction ordOO17
8. Approve Revised Draft Comprehensive Plan for Submittal to Met. Council compplan
9. Discuss Contract Rezonings contractrz
10. Discuss Transitional Commercial Districts commercial
II. Discuss Exemption to Noise OrdinancelPov's Sports Bar povs
Staff. Committees. Commissions
12. Appoint Telecommunication Tower Task Force tower
Non-Discussion/Consent Items
13. End of Probationary Period/Jim Dickinson dickinson
14. 1999 Budget Carry Forward budget
IS. Excess Liability Insurance Update insurance
16. Approve Hire ofIS Coordinator hireis
17. Accept PetitionlOO-24/14268 Round Lake BlvdIWM petOO24
18. Accept Feasibility/00-24/14268 Round Lake BlvdIWM acptOO24
19, Approve Quotes/00-14/142XX Round Lake Blvd. qtOO14
20. Update of DNR 2000 Grant Application Round dnrgrant
21. Approve Amendment to Ordinance No. 10, Platting & Subdividing Ordinance ordlO
22. Approve Rezoning (REZ 00-03)/R-3 to R-4114268 Round Lake Blvd. NWfWayne Ness rzoess
23. Approve Lot Split (LS 00-07)/14268 Round Lake Blvd. NWfWayne Ness (sness
24, Comp Time comp
25. Approve Resolution of Support/Cedar Creek Greenway Project cedarcreek
26, Approve No Parking Resolution along Crosstown Blvd at Sunshine Park nopark
27. End of Probationary Period/Cindy Ramseier ramseier
28. Resolutionffelevising of Anoka County Board Meetings televising
29. Approve Garbage Hauler License Renewals garbage
30. ResolutionlDeclaring Andover Family Fun Fest a City Function funfest
Mayor/Council Input
Payment of Claims
Adjournment
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REGULAR ANDOVER CITY COUNCIL MEETING MINUTES - JUNE 6,2000
TABLE OF CONTENTS
RESIDENT FORUM . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . .. 1
AGENDA APPROVAL.. . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . .. 2
CONSENT AGENDA
End of probationary period/Jim Dickinson ................................... 2
Excess liability insurance update ..,........................................ 2
Approve hire ofIS coordinator (Beverly Berard) . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . .. 2
Resolution R113-00 accepting petition/IPOO-24/14268 Round Lake B1vd/Watermain .. 2
Resolution Rl14-00 accepting feasibility/IPOO-24 ....,....................,... 2
Approve quotes/IPOO-14/142xx Round Lake Blvd (Volk Sewer & Water) . . . . . . . . . .. 2
Update ofDNR 2000 grant application round. . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . .. 2
Approve amendment to Ordinance 10, Platting and Subdividing Ordinance ......... 2
Approve rezoning (REZ 00-03)/R-3 to R-4/14268 Round Lake Blvd/W Ness. . . . . . .. 2
Resolution Rl15-00 approving lot split (LS 00-07)/14268 Round Lake BlvdlNess .... 2
Comp time (Dave Carlberg) . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . , . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . .. 2
Resolution Rl16-00 supporting Cedar Creek Greenway project. . . .. . . . . . . . . . . . . .. 3
End of probationary period/Cindy Rarnseier .................................. 3
Resolution Rl18-00 on televising Anoka County Board meetings. . . . . . . . . . . . . . . .. 3
Approve garbage hauler license renewals
AGENDA APPROVAL. . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . .. 3
DISCUSS STATUS OF GREY OAKS.......................................... 3
COMP PLAN AMENDMENT/RM TO RU and REZONlNGIM-2 TO R-4/SECTION 22
Motion to withdraw these two items ........................................ 5
SKETCH PLAN REVIEW/NATURE'S RUN/SECTION 27/D.H. LAND COMPANY. ... 6
SKETCH PLAN REVIEW/GOLD NUGGET DEVELOPMENT/SECTION 14 . . . . .. . . .. 9
SKETCH PLAN REVIEWIMERIT DEVELOPMENT/SECTION 28 ................. 11
FEASlBILITY/IPOO-17/ANOKA COUNTY LIBRARY TRAIL CONSTRUCTION..... 12
REVISED DRAFT/COMPREHENSIVE PLAN FOR SUBMITTAL TO MET COUNCIL 13
Motion to submit the document with revised comments .......,........, . . . . . .. 14
CONTRACT REZONlNGS
Motion to authorize holding a public hearing ......,.,....................... 14
TRANSITIONAL COMMERCIAL DISTRICTS
Motion to authorize holding a public hearing ................................ 14
EXEMPTION TO NOlSE ORDlNANCE/POV'S SPORTS BAR
Motion to approve exemption until midnight on July 7 and 8, 2000 . . . . . . . . . .. . . .. 15
PULL TAB LICENSE/L10NS' CLUB/FUN FEST
Resolution Rl17-00 to approve charitable gambling permit for Andover Lions. . . . .. 15
PIPELlNE ISSUE ................,..............,................,........ 15
APPOlNT TELECOMMUNICATION TOWER TASK FORCE
Motion to appoint members ................................. . . . . . . . . . . . .. 16
1999 BUDGET CARRY FORWARD
Motion to table to June 20 meeting ..................,..................... 16
NO PARKING ALONG CROSSTOWN BOULEVARD AT SUNSHlNE PARK
Resolution Rl19-00 designating no parkinglboth sides of Crosstown between Andover
and Hanson Boulevards ............................................. 17
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Table of Contents
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DECLARING ANDOVER F AMIL Y FUN FEST A CITY FUNCTION
Resolution R120-00 making that declaration. . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . .. 17
SCHOOL RELATED ISSUES ............................................... 17
MAYOR/COUNCIL INPUT
Lions' donation to Pine Hills park ................. . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . .. 18
Status of road repair/Wittington Ridge. . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . .. 18
Street light issue ........ . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . .. 18
Gazebo at Sunshine Park ................................................ 18
APPROVAL OF CLAIMS .................................................. 18
ADJOURNMENT .......... . . . . . . . . . . . . , . . . , . . , . . , . , . , . . , . . , , . . . . . . . . . , . " 18
CITY of ANDOVER
REGULAR ANDOVER CITY COUNCIL MEETING - JUNE 6, 2000
MINUTES
The Regular Bi-Month1y Meeting of the Andover City Council was called to order by Mayor Jack
McKelvey, June 6, 2000,7:02 p.m., at the Andover City Hall, 1685 Crosstown Boulevard NW,
Andover, Minnesota,
Councilmembers present: Don Jacobson, Julie Johnson, Mike Knight, Ken Ortte1
Councilmembers absent None
Also present City Attorney, William G. Hawkins
City Engineer, Scott Erickson
City Finance Director, Jim Dickinson
City Planner, John Hinzman
Community Development Director, Dave Carlberg
City Administrator, Richard Fursman
Others
RESIDENT FORUM
John Moore. 16030 Palm Street NW - stated the City received a letter today requesting that the
pipeline along 160th Lane be open cut and not bore under the street. He had predicted that Northern
Natural Gas would do so. He did not feel the pipeline could be put in an open trench without
destroying 160th Lane. Another letter was received that construction was to begin around June 3.
It is suspicious they would wait two weeks prior to starting to request the change. He believed they
never intended to bore under 16Oth. The pipeline does not run parallel to the street. At the east end,
the pipe is approximately eight feet from the edge of the road. With a 30-foot easement, it leaves
approximately two feet on the opposite side of the road. On the west end of the street, the pipe is
approximately 16 feet from the edge of the road. He suggested the City protect the residents from
the expenses of repairing and replacing roads by supporting the original proposal to bore under the
street
Winslow Holasek. 1159 Andover Boulevard - wondered if the City will take a position on this.
There have been many other problems with this as welL The company first worked with the
certificates, and now they are working to put in the line. To him it seems backwards. They should
have determined ways to put it in and then got the certificate. He felt the City should take a strong
position against the request. He asked if Staff has talked to anyone in Ramsey and if they were
disgruntled with the work done on the pipeline, Mr. Hinzman stated he talked with one resident who
complained the soil wasn't cultivated and the lawn and grading was not done welL
Regular Andover City Council Meeting
Minutes - June 6, 2000
Page 2
(Resident Forum, Continued)
Mr. Holasek didn't believe topsoil was put back for another person. He believes they don't want
vegetation on the easement and felt there wi!! be a lot of problems where the line dissects the
wooded areas because there is only a thin layer of topsoil. Mr. Carlberg stated the City can deal with
the restoration issue. He suggested the City put this on the Agenda for further discussion. The City
did receive a letter today noting the request for an immediate certificate to open cut. The Council
agreed to add this item to the agenda.
Carroll Abbott. 2917 142nd Lane - was before the Council previously on the problem of parking
along Heather Street and 1vywood. People going to the ball games park on both sides of the street,
creating a very dangerous situation. He cited incidents of near accidents and suggested there be no
parking on the park side of Heather Street. Other people have complained about it also. Mr.
Erickson stated Staff will address it with the Park Board and bring it back for the Council's review.
AGENDA APPROVAL
Add 11 a, Pull Tab License/ Lions' Club/Fun Fest; lIb, Pipeline Issue; and 12a, School Related
Issues. Pull from Consent Agenda for discussion Items 14, 1999 Budget Carry Forward, Item 26,
Approve No Parking Resolution Along Crosstown Boulevard at Sunshine Park, and Item 30,
Resolution/Declaring Andover Family Fun Fest a City Function.
Motion by Knight, Seconded by Jacobson, approval of the Agenda. Motion carried unanimously.
CONSENT AGENDA
Item 13 End of Probationary Period/Jim Dickinson
Item 15 Excess Liability Insurance Update
Item 16 Approve Hire of IS Coordinator (Beverly Berard)
Item 1 7 Accept PetitionllPOO-24/14268 Round Lake BoulevardlWatermain (Resolution
Rl13-00)
Item 18 Accept Feasibility/IPOO-24/14268 Round Lake BoulevardlWatermain (Resolution
R1l4-00)
Item 19 Approve Quotes/IPOO-14/142xx Round Lake Boulevard (Volk Sewer & Water)
Item 20 Update ofDNR 2000 Grant Application Round
Item 21 Approve Amendment to Ordinance No. 10, Platting and Subdividing Ordinance
Item 22 Approve Rezoning (REZ 00-03)/R-3 to R-4/14268 Round Lake Boulevard
NW/Wayne Ness
Item 23 Approve Lot Split (LS 00-07)/14268 Round Lake Boulevard NW/Wayne Ness
(Resolution RI15-00)
Item 24 Comp Time (Dave Carlberg)
Regular Andover City Council Meeting
Minutes - June 6, 2000
Page 3
(Consent Agenda, Continued)
Item 25 Approve Resolution of Support/Cedar Creek Greenway Project (Resolution Rl16-
00)
Item 27 End of Probationary Period/Cindy Ramseier
Item 28 Resolution/Televising of Anoka County Board Meetings (Resolution Rl18-00)
Item 29 Approve Garbage Hauler License Renewals
Motion by Jacobson, Seconded by Johnson, to approve the Consent Agenda. Motion carried
unanimously.
AGENDA APPROVAL
April 24, 2000, Special Meeting: Correct as written.
May 15, 2000, Special Meeting: Correct as written.
May 16, 2000, Regular Meeting: Page 3, second paragraph, last two sentences, change to: "Their
school total budget is $174,981, with Andover's share being $52,285. The total summer
budget is $42,260, and the City contributes $7,200."
May 17, 2000, Special Meeting: Correct as written.
Motion by Jacobson, Seconded by Knight, the Minutes of May 15, 16 and 17 with the corrections
on the Minutes of the 16th. Motion carried unanimously.
Motion by Knight, Seconded by Johnson, approval of the April 24 Meeting Minutes. Motion carried
on a 3- Yes, I-Present (Orttel) vote.
DISCUSS STATUS OF GREY OAKS
Attorney Hawkins referenced his letter to the Council summarizing the procedural history of the
Grey Oaks development and his analysis of the situation. It is his opinion that there are
inconsistencies between what has been submitted as the final plat and what was approved as a
preliminary plat. Should the Council decide to deny the final plat, he felt there is sufficient basis to
do so.
Councilmember Jacobson stated the City Attorney had some concern with the language in Article
4, Section B. He asked for clarification from the developer.
Jerry Windschitl. Grev Oaks - stated the documents were written by his legal firm. Attorney
Hawkins stated he didn't understand the wording. It is an issue of clarification. Councilmember
Jacobson stated the attorney has said the documents should be clear that the City can enforce the
senior restriction and that it may not be deleted or altered without the agreement ofthe City.
Regular Andover City Council Meeting
Minutes - June 6, 2000
Page 4
(Discuss Status of Grey Oaks, Continued)
Mr. Windschitl felt it would be more appropriate for Attorney Hawkins and his attorney to discuss
these details.
James Bullard. attorney representing Mr. Windschitl - was open to hearing suggestions and
improvements from Attorney Hawkins. He stated the paragraph did not change and is addressed by
what they did on the section of senior housing which clarifies the definition. A number of the units
would be constructed subject to the senior housing restrictions and supersedes the section on
alienation. He would be willing to change the language to accomplish what Attorney Hawkins has
in mind. They have also said the City would be treated as a third PartY beneficiary; and if the
homeowners association did not enforce those restrictions, the City could step in. The intent was
to give the City the same authority as the homeowners association. Mr. Carlberg stated the Staff has
reviewed the preliminary plat several times. There are some significant revisions in the proposed
final from the approved preliminary plat. Those revisions need to be approved by the Council so the
final plat is consistent with the revised preliminary plat. Staff is not prepared to bring those revisions
to the Council this evening. One of the main issues is that of parking.
Attorney Bullard stated they are not prepared to address those issues this evening. The final plat
application was denied on March 21. The only issue the Council addressed that night was that of
the senior housing requirements. They replied to that issue in their submittal of April 27, and
Attorney Hawkins has implied that requirement has been met. They feel the other items are not
really issues. Over the period of months, this plat was reviewed by the City seven times, and a
number of revisions and adjustments were made. The final package was the result of requests made
by the Staff or City Council. For the most part, the developer meets and accommodates the requests
of the City. They are not in a position to reopen the March 21 agenda item. They have prepared to
address the senior housing issue only, which is what they thought was tonight's issue. He
understands the parking changes were a result of the preliminary plat approval resolution. The plat
was submitted with 1.5 parking spaces per unit. The resolution attached a condition that said each
unit that wasn't senior restricted had to have 2.5 parking stalls per unit. So the developer added
parking spaces to 2.5 stalls per unit. He wasn't sure why that is an issue other than the City Council
hasn't given their stamp of approval.
Councilmember Orttel understood the increased parking changed the easements and green spaces
and the relocation of buildings, recreational facilities and sidewalks. He asked if the issue this
evening was revisiting the final plat or the senior housing issue only. The senior housing issue
appears to be resolved, so the issue of the final plat must be dealt with in some way. Mr. Carlberg
stated the preliminary plat was approved with conditions, but the proposed final plat is not consistent
with the approved preliminary. He felt the Council will want to consider the changes to the
preliminary plat before the final plat at the next meeting. The changes in the development standards
must be placed on the next agenda as well. Staff will attempt to get all the other issues resolved
before that meeting unless the Council wants to go back to the 1.5 spaces per unit.
Regular Andover City Council Meeting
Minutes - June 6, 2000
Page 5
Discuss Status of Grey Oaks, Continued)
In discussing the parking issue, Attorney Bullard stated they believe they did exactly what the City
asked them to do. They submitted the final plat with minor changes from the preliminary as
requested by Staff. The time for these issues has passed. They would be glad to work with the City
Staff to resolve these issues behind the scenes, but the procedure has to go forward. They submitted
a final plat on January 25 and believe they submitted everything required. He would be glad to work
with Attorney Hawkins to get these things in writing. Counci1member Jacobson stated in his mind
the senior housing issue is resolved and the only other issues are the parking, green spaces and other
technical issues that should be resolved prior to the next meeting. It would be to everyone's
advantage to work within the next two weeks to resolved all remaining issues. Councilmember
Orttel understood that if SO percent of the units are for senior housing, they would have 1.5 parking
spaces per unit; and the rest of the units would be 2.5 spaces per unit. He felt that would be
sufficient for their purposes.
Mr. Windschitl stated the ordinance is very complex. This is not like The Farmstead or The Willows
where there are a significant number of people who are high care or acute care. These units will not
have acute care, so the number of cars per unit increases. Their letter of January 25 states they would
like to provide engineering for the maximum parking requirement. They will build however many
units the City wants built in the project; but they want the ability to expand the parking if needed.
Most cities have a two-car requirement, which is what they suggested in their January 25 letter. He
felt 1.5 stalls per unit simply is not enough parking for units that do not have extended care plus
provide parking for guests in the buildings. Councilmember Orttel stated it would be helpful to
have copies of the parking requirements from other cities.
Councilmember Jacobson asked if everything is approved in two weeks, would the developer still
be able to sue. Attorney Hawkins didn't know; but if everything is negotiated within the next two
weeks, neither party should end up in that situation. He felt the big hurdle of the senior housing has
been climbed. It was then agreed the developer, Staff and attorneys will work together in the next
two weeks to resolve all remaining issues. The matter will be placed on the June 20 regular Council
meeting agenda. There was no further Council discussion this evening.
COMPREHENSIVE PLAN AMENDMENT/RM TO RU and REZONING/M-2 TO R-
~SECnON2VCITYOFANDOVER
Mr. Carlberg stated Staff and legal counsel are recommending the application for the Comprehensive
Plan amendment and the rezoning be withdrawn. If the Grey Oaks plat is not approved in two
weeks, any land use changes would be dealt with under the ordinances being drafted and revised
under the moratorium.
Motion by Knight, Seconded by Jacobson, to withdraw Items 2 and 3. Motion carried unanimously.
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Minutes - June 6, 2000
Page 6
SKETCH PLAN REVlEW/NATURE'S RUN/SECTION 27/D.H. LAND COMPANY
Steve Johnson, Landform Engineering, on behalf ofD.H. Land Company, reviewed the sketch plan
of Nature's Run which consists of 44 town home units and one commercial lot on approximately
32 acres ofland, 25 acres on the north side of the creek. The proposal follows the current planning
guide for transitional commercial on this area. The commercial area would be a gas station with
some retail in a free standing building, and perhaps a car wash. The two-unit town homes would be
approximately !,400 square feet of floor with a value starting at $200,000. They would have three
basic models, one with a main floor and two with slight variations. The street pattern would be a
1,000-foot cul-de-sac with an emergency connection between the cul-de-sac and Hanson Boulevard.
A crash gate would be installed which could be removed by emergency vehicles to gain access to
the street. It would be maintained by the homeowners' association. They would be willing to extend
the road to Hanson Boulevard, but he understands the county is not in favor of it. The development
will be governed by a homeowner's association with mandatory membership of all property owners.
The association would be responsible for all exterior and ground maintenance, snow and garbage
removal. Councilmember Johnson was concerned with the commercial element of the development
because of the high school being built to the west. She would prefer light business such as insurance
companies
Mr. Johnson stated the highest and best use of the site is for a gas station. That is the reason that
comer was designated transitional commercial. They do not believe an office development would
be successful at that location. He understood the concern, but their proposal is from the standpoint
of the highest and most intensive use for the site. Alternatives would include additional town homes
there. Given the traffic at that intersection, he didn't believe that would be viable. Councilmember
Orttel didn't think it made sense to have only one entrance into the development. He suggested the
possibility ofthe entrance onto Hanson Boulevard being a right-in, right-out only. Also, what is
going to happen to the 7.5 acres south of the creek?
Mr. Johnson stated a right-in, right-out access on Hanson is possible. The concern would be having
traffic that is backed up using that intersection to cut through the neighborhood to avoid the
signalized intersection. The Park Board has stated the trail should stay along the north side of the
creek. The property south of the creek would be deeded to the MPCA. Mr. Carlberg stated the
thought was a neighborhood business would be limited further to limited business, and that will be
discussed later tonight. An office complex was talked about for this site.
Councilmember Knight was concerned with the amount of fill being proposed. Also, with the new
high school, these town homes and a commercial area, the traffic will be much worse for those
residents along Andover Boulevard. The convenience store will become an attractive nuisance. A
commercial area at this location was discussed prior to knowing about a high school to the west. The
high school changes the whole thing. He felt they have to look at this from the perspective of the
people living there now. This creates a lot of additional traffic for them.
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Minutes - June 6, 2000
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(Sketch Plan Review/Nature's Run/Section 27/D,H Land Company, Continued)
Councilmember Jacobson asked if this is within the restricted area of the landfill and how many units
would be allowed on the site if developed under the R-4 zoning. rfthis is a PUD mixed use, what
benefit is there to the City? Mr. Carlberg recalled the creek is believed to be a natural barrier, so
there are different restrictions. A copy of the plan has been submitted to the MPCA. The R-4 zone
allowed 2.1 units per acre. He did not know how many buildable acres there are.
Mr. Johnson stated the reason for the PUD is for both an M-2 zone, which requires a rezoning, and
the commercial zoning combined. The City has already been considering commercial on this site,
so the PUD is not a tool to get something new on this property. There wi!! be only 22 buildings on
the site, but they could get about 28 to 30 single family units on it. The existing Hupp house would
be removed. These are town homes, as technically twin homes do not have an association.
Councilmember Jacobson agreed this was considered for some commercial on the comer, but that
was before the high school. He would also hate to see a convenience store on every comer all the
way up Hanson Boulevard. There is enough to service the people, so he wouldn't be in favor of a
commercial unit on that corner. He asked about the trail along the west side of Hanson Boulevard
because of the existing trail on the east side. He questioned the need for both. Mr. Carlberg
explained the intent was that pedestrian traffic would come from the creek and go north on the east
side of Hanson Boulevard, cross at Andover Boulevard, then go south along the west side of Hanson
Boulevard to continue the trail along the creek from there.
Councilmember Jacobson was also opposed to the layout of having houses behind the existing
homes. He was concerned with the four units being served by a private, very narrow street. It
doesn't make sense to have the private street when everything else is public. It is also a very long
cul-de-sac. Whatever the configuration at Hanson and Andover Boulevards, he wanted to make sure
there is enough right of way for turn lanes.
Mr. Johnson stated the private drive serves four units. Staff wanted a 26-foot wide street; they are
showing a 20-foot wide street, which is the fire code. There is open space behind the existing homes
that is adequately sized for those units. The property was made available to the adjacent land
owners, but apparently they didn't want to purchase it. He felt Mr. Hupp should have the right to
use all of his property. Councilmembers Jacobson, Knight, Johnson and Mayor McKelvey agreed
those four units look very close to the existing buildings and are totally misplaced. They were
uncomfortable with homes facing the back of existing homes. They understand Mr. Hupp has the
right to use his land, but there may be other options such as two single family homes behind there.
The Mayor also preferred town homes instead of the commercial area, nor did he like the private
road. Councilmember Orttel suggested the termination of the northwest cul-de-sac be made at the
property line to allow for its future extension and redevelopment of existing properties. Mr. Carlberg
stated that was one of the suggestions of the review committee. It supports bringing the road back
out to Andover Boulevard. He asked if the Council would like to see a sketch plan on how the
neighboring properties could develop.
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Minutes - June 6, 2000
Page 8
(Sketch Plan Review/Nature's Run/Section 27/D,H. Land Company, Continued)
The Council stated yes. Councilmember Grttel also stated it is unusual to have the front of houses
face the back of others. Possibly it should be set back further. Also, the discussion tonight on Item
10, Transitional Commercial Districts, may resolve the issue of the commercial property. Mr.
Carlberg noted several other issues on the Staff report regarding the length of the cul-de-sac and
concern with the road coming onto Hanson Boulevard in relation to the bridge. Does the Council
want to see the emergency access onto Hanson Boulevard? Fire Chief Dan Winkel stated 20 feet
is the minimum width on fire access roads. He did agree with the Staff recommendation to go as
wide as possible, recommending 26 to 28 feet wide for the private drive. If the access road to
Andover Boulevard is moved as far west as possible, the private road could be eliminated.
Councilmember Jacobson recommended the four units be moved to the commercial area plus
whatever other units can be gained. Move the access as far west as possible to eliminate the private
drive. The rest of the Council generally agreed,
Councilmember Grttel was worried about rezoning the property to M-2 and about overusing the tool
of PUDs. He also asked about the trail along the creek. Mr. Carlberg stated it is being done with a
rezoning so there would be a contract to control the development. The M-2 zone allows greater
flexibility than the M-1 zone. The PUD is to eliminate all the lot lines and create lot boxes around
the buildings and because of the association. The trail is proposed to run along the north side of the
creek on the Hupp property, then cross over to the south side and follow the south side to Crosstown
Boulevard. Mr. Erickson stated there is room to put the trail on the south side, but permission is
needed from the PCA. The trail would be entirely outside the WDE fence.
Mr. Carlberg stated another issue is that of a trail or sidewalk along Andover Boulevard. The review
committee is suggesting one, especially because of the potential of the high school and walkers; the
Park Board did not support it, feeling it is overkill since they already proposed the trail system along
the creek. Councilmember Johnson stated she would like to see the trail, thinking it is a safety issue.
Councilmember Grttel felt it is a conflict between a transportation versus a park issue. He didn't
know which side or where a trail should go along Andover Blvd, but it is obvious there should be
one ifthere is room. Mayor McKelvey disagreed, thinking they should use the trail along the creek.
Park and Recreation Commission Chairperson, Jim Lindahl, stated because the alignment of the trail
along the creek is such that it would come out within a couple hundred feet of Andover Boulevard
on Crosstown, the Park Board did not support another trail or sidewalk. Also, they would only be
getting 300 feet of trail along Andover Boulevard with this development, and from there the City
would have to go through front yards. Those residents have been very much opposed to any trail
development in the past. There is also the maintenance issue. Does the City Council want to fund
additional people for maintaining two trails in the same area that are so close together? The Park
Board felt it meets the needs of transportation, and that park funds should not be used for it. Mr.
Erickson stated as a part of the school program, they will look at transportation and will try to
determine where sidewalks will be needed. Councilmember Grttel agreed it is not a park issue.
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Minutes - June 6, 2000
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(Sketch Plan Review/Nature's Run/Section 27/D,H. Land Company, Continued)
Connie Enzmann. ] 718 Andover Boulevard NW - read a letter addressed to the Mayor and Council
on concerns relating to this sketch plan. Items of concern were the specific number of units on the
specific number of acres, traffic, water problems, improvements at the intersection of Hanson and
Andover Boulevards and the cost, the safety concern with a convenience store on the corner, the cul-
de-sac length with only one access, the private road and homes facing their back yards, the
encroachment onto her property and the surrounding existing and potential roads surrounding her
lot, the expected decrease in property values, comments made by the representative of the developer
at the P &Z meeting that were derogatory to and personally attacking of the existing neighborhood,
frustration with the way they were treated by Mr. Hupp regarding their possible purchase of the land
behind them and questions on the procedure.
The Council explained the sketch plan is an informal process. Mr. Carlberg believed the proposal
is for 3.75 units per acre, which is below the threshold for the moratorium offour units per acre.
Tom Enzmann. 17] 8 Andover Boulevard - stated in 1984 when he purchased his property, he came
to the City Hall to find out the development possibilities around him. At that time it was his
understanding that it was zoned Open Spaces because ofthe proximity to the WDE landfill. That
was one of the primary reasons he bought his land. Now the Comprehensive Plan will have to be
changed ITom OS to multiple. He understands the MPCA will be able to comment. Mr. Carlberg
acknowledged the Comprehensive Plan did show this area as Open Space at one time. Under this
proposal, it will be amended to R-M. The new plan indicates this as transitional commercial land
use with a designation to R-M, residential medium density. The MPCA was submitted a copy of the
sketch plan and will look at it regarding its impact on the landfill property. There were no further
comments.
SKETCH PLAN REVIEW/GOLD NUGGET DEVELOPMENT/SECTION 14
Leon Opatz. Pioneer Engineers. on behalf of Gold Nug:g:et Development - reviewed the sketch plan
to develop 79 single family urban lots and 36 town home units on 72± acres in Section 14. The
north half is very wooded, and the southern portion is relatively open. There are two rather large
wetlands that they are dealing with, one in the south and one in the north half. The streets and lots
work around the wetlands. Housing in the wooded areas will be on custom graded lots to minimize
the removal of trees. The town homes would start at about $150,000. Mr. Carlberg explained the
two-unit town homes would not be subject to the moratorium. The Planning Commission agreed
with the comments of the review committee. Residents were concerned with the close proximity to
the northeast property, which is a large parcel with horses. He believed the developer has looked
at shifting some of the housing to the south and will create landscaping and buffers between the town
homes and that parcel. The Park Commission recommended cash in lieu of land for parks and
discussed a trail along 161 st. The recommendation is also to widen the roads to provide an internal
trail along the north-south road through the development to accommodate the bike route. The Road
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(Sketch Plan Review/Gold Nugger Development/Section 14, Continued)
Committee had discussed the possibility of a trail from CoRd 20 to Crosstown, not necessarily on
the street. The review committee also discussed the importance of aligning the streets with the ones
on the west. The developer has agreed to move their street alignment to match. Staff is also
recommending the widening of the access onto 161 st to accommodate a turn lane. The lot accessing
CoRd 20 would have to be changed to access from the side street. There will need to be a
Comprehensive Plan amendment because of the mixed use single family and town home
development.
Councilmember Jacobson was concerned with the water and suggested the hydrology be looked at
closely. He wondered if the town homes could be accommodated through a PUD rather than a
multiple zoning, which could open the door to other things. Also, this is outside the MUSA. Mr.
Carlberg stated the reason for the rezoning is to do a contract rezoning. The property is within the
2001 development plan and was approved for MUSA in 1996, so Metropolitan Council approval will
not be needed to extend the sewer line to this property. Sewer would come from the southwest at
156th.
Councilmember Jacobson assumed the town homes would have an association, but the single family
homes would not. How are the large wetlands areas going to be maintained? Also, some houses will
be facing the side of others, which is a similar problem to the last plat. Mr. Carlberg stated that will
have to be evaluated. Housing facing the sides of others is not uncommon on corner lots, but there
are additional setbacks required. That can be evaluated to eliminate some of them. The existing
house off 161st will remain, but it will have to meet setback requirements. When looking at
hydrology, the main concern is the issue of build ability. The town homes will achieve some of the
density issues of the City's multiple housing goals. If wetlands are not owned in common, the lots
lines would go back to a certain point. That will have to be reviewed.
Councilmember Orttel stated it looks like the horse operation is contributing half of the road off
161st. He was also concerned with always taking cash in lieu ofIand for parks. There are hundreds
of homes being developed in this area without any parks. He understands the merit for larger parks,
but there is a demand for smaller parks for the smaller children. Mr. Carlberg stated the entire road
falls on the developer's property but follows the horse operation's west property line. The Park
Board is looking for a larger park to the west of this, but possibly smaller tot lots should be
considered as well. He also noted the cul-de-sac in the southeast corner will require a variance.
In further discussion on parks, the Council suggested the Park Board look at parks in this area and
trails to tie into themO. They should also look at the need for tot lots. They encouraged the
developer to work with the adjoining property owners on the issues of fencing and benning. The
Council wondered if there was some ability to work with the developer to reduce the price of the
town homes to make them affordable to meet the Metropolitan Council guidelines. They generally
agreed with the concept of town homes along the railroad tracks. There were no further comments
on the sketch plan.
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SKETCH PLAN REVlEW/MERIT DEVELOPMENT/SECTION 28
Todd Ganz. Merit Development - reviewed a sketch plan to develop six single family rural
residential lots clustered on 18.5 acres in Section 28 along South Coon Creek Drive. A similar
project was done in the Lake Elmo area. The lots would be smaller with a community septic system.
The lots would be 16,000 to 34,000 square feet. The community septic system would be close to
South Coon Creek Drive in the northwest corner. It would be a standard drainfield area with room
for a second system in the future if there is a failure. They are asking to construct the sewer in the
streets and have these houses hook up to it and disconnect from the drainfield area in the future when
the MUSA expands. There would be an association in place. They are proposing the construction
of a barn where each house could have up to two horses. The barn area, trails, board fence, fields
and septic system would also be maintained by the association. They initially proposed private
streets but changed them to public streets after receiving comments from Staff.
Mr. Carlberg stated Staff has not had time to research community septic systems. That is a new
concept that needs research. He assumed there was a size ratio. Councilmember Orttel understood
the project, but it is so far afield from anything the City has done. It is a huge deviation from the
present policy. The Council needs to determine the impact of setting precedence and the impact if
allowed in other rural areas of the City. This is a rural area surrounded by sewer. It is unique, and
this would be a gradual step to municipal utilities. Councilmember Jacobson asked if the only
reason this is being proposed is to have horses.
Mr. Ganz stated that is not the only reason. People do want to have horses on acreage, and many
people do board them on farms. This is a unique opportunity to be able to supply the people with
a common horse barn with hay close to it. Mr. Carlberg stated the R-l single family zone of2.5
acres allows three horses. That is not an issue on this parcel. The PUD can vary from the lot size
provisions and look at the overall acreage and number of horses allowed. Councilmember Jacobson
wondered how wise this is considering the City may want to do something in the future.
Councilmember Ortte1 noted because of the topography, there are only four to five acres of high
ground; so nothing could be developed there anyway. Councilmember Knight didn't think the City
could reverse a land trust.
Mr. Ganz stated there are another four to five acres in the southwest corner that could easily be built
upon that would be going into the land trust. The barn would be placed on lots 4 and 5, and the
existing basement would be removed. Mr. Carlberg agreed with the Council that this needs to be
closely evaluated. The septic system would be based on the design of a four-bedroom house. This
is a new concept that violates the existing ordinance. Also, the entire area along South Coon Creek
Drive would have to be served with a lift station.
Mr. Ganz stated they can supply all the information the City needs on community septic systems.
They are not changing the density; it is just using the land differently. The Council stated they
would like that information. They also noted they would be unable to give direction on this plat
without knowing all of the ramifications. If allowed, variances or changes would be needed to the
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ordinances. A benefit is retaining open spaces and allowing development in areas that will
eventually hook up to City sewer. Attorney Hawkins stated he is not familiar with land trusts but
noted it sounds like they are irrevocable.
Councilmember Orttel was concerned that allowing this in the rural areas would mean every five-
acre lot could come in with clustered housing on 1/3-acre lots, a community septic system and open
spaces. It is basically urban development with a community septic system. He didn't think that is
what the City wants in the rural area.
The Council again noted the need to evaluate whether this type of development is desired; and if so,
where. If the developer wishes to proceed with this proposal, he does so at his own risk. At this
point, they did not encourage Mr. Ganz because they did not know how this would impact the City
as a whole. In the mean time, the Council agreed to research the issues further. Mr. Ganz stated they
will supply the information from the MPCA and ordinances from other cities on communal septic
systems.
ORDER FEASIBILITY REPORT/IPOO-I7/ANOKA COUNTY LIBRARY TRAIL
CONSTRUCTION
Park and Recreation Commission Chairperson Jim Lindahl stated residents have approached the
Board about constructing a trail along the east side of Seventh A venue from about 145th to Highway
116 to be able to access the new county library. He attended an Anoka Park Board meeting to
discuss this, and they have indicated they would be willing to do a trail that would connect from the
intersection of Seventh A venue and CoRd 116 west to the library. They did allocate some money
for doing so. The issue is obtaining the property along Seventh A venue for the trail. Most of it is
not developed and its future is undetermined. They are looking at the possibility of assessing the
property prior to development to get the trail in and provide a safe access along Seventh A venue to
the intersection. The library is to open July, 2000. It is estimated the cost of the trail along Seventh
Avenue would be $25,000, excluding land acquisition costs.
Councilmember Jacobson was concerned that in order to do a 429 procedure and assess the property
owners, the City must show an increase in value to the property. He questioned how that could be
done. Chairperson Lindahl stated the cost would be less now. Councilmember Orttel didn't feel
assessing the property was the answer because a benefit could not be shown. In all likelihood the
City would have to condemn the land. Enough land would be needed outside of the right of way
needed by the county. Mr. Erickson suggested the land owners be asked to petition for the
improvement.
Connie Beckman. 4172 146th Avenue - explained she and the neighbors have discussed access to
the new library from their development as well as from the neighborhoods to the east and north.
People on both sides of Seventh A venue will want to access the library and the Kelsey Round Lake
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trail. This portion of trail would provide access and safety to people from as far north as CoRd 20
and east rrom Round Lake Boulevard to access the library. People wilI try to access the library even
without the trail, but it presents a very serious safety concern. This would be a pro-active step which
makes a statement to the residents and the City of Anoka that Andover is willing to work on a joint
venture to allow the residents safe access to the library. The City of Ramsey was also approached
and was interested in working with Anoka so a trail would eventually be constructed to the library
from Highway 47 east. If that occurs, it would be a joint venture and would alIow people from the
east side of Andover to go alI the way to Ramsey. It is a much greater vision than just providing
access from their subdivision. The trail is very cost effective. It is a win win situation allowing
people access to the library and the Kelsey Round Lake trail.
Mr, Erickson stated the issues are the location for the trail and funding sources. He will first
determine whether this would fit in existing easements; then they will evaluate funding sources and
bring the matter back to the next regular Council meeting.
APPROVE REVISED DRAFT COMPREHENSIVE PLAN FOR SUBMITTAL TO
METROPOLITAN COUNCIL
Mr. Hinzman reviewed the text changes in the Draft Comprehensive Plan per the request of the
Metropolitan Council Staff. A solar access protection paragraph has been added, as well as
affordable and life-cycle housing provisions using the first figures that were approved, affordable
and life-cycle housing programs that are available, modifications to the individual sewage treatment
systems section and to the traffic and transportation plan as welI as the rural land use. The housing
programs are listed and available if the developer wants to use them, but it does not commit the City
to enacting them. By pulling out the parks and properties in the rural area greater than 10 acres, the
amount of buildable land decreased to 3590 acres, supporting the argument to maintain the 2.5-acre
development policy now in place.
In discussing the proposed changes, the Council suggested the following modifications: Section I,
Affordable and Life-Cycle Housing Provisions, first paragraph, "The City of Andover has committed
to providing opportunities for affordable and ...." Section K. Implementation of Multiple Family
Housing, change to "Over the next 10 to 20 years, 12 percent of all units..." On the Buildable Rural
Acreage map, delete Prairie Knoll park and change the zoning on the Hupp property on the
southwest comer of Hanson and Andover Boulevards. They also suggested the paragraph on the life-
cycle housing programs be reworded to state the intent is the City has the final overview on
implementing these programs, and this is a list of available programs.
Mr. Hinzman stated he will be taking the draft changes and letter to the Metropolitan Council office
tomorrow, a day before the deadline.
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Page 14
(Approve Revised Draft Comprehensive Planfor Submittal to Met Council, Continued)
Jerry Windschitl - asked for a copy of the updated land use map. Are any properties he owns
proposed to have a land use change? Mr. Hinzman stated the land use map is not yet available, but
land uses on Mr. Windschitl's properties have not changed. Mr. Carlberg noted the Draft Plan being
submitted is subject to a public hearing.
Motion by Knight, Seconded by Jacobson, to approve the submittal of the revised comments in the
Comprehensive Plan with changes made tonight. Motion carried unanimously. The Council thanked
the Staff for all their hard work and efforts on this Plan and on the entire high school situation.
DISCUSS CONTRACT REZONINGS
Mr' Hinzman stated the item was brought before the Planning and Zoning Commission on May 23
for direction. They were in favor of contract rezonings for multiples in the future. He asked the
Council to authorize the drafting of an ordinance and holding a public hearing before the Planning
Commission for contract rezonings on multiples, then bring it to the City Council for approval.
Councilmember Orttel suggested they have contract rezonings on commercial industrial rezonings
as well.
Motion by Jacobson, Seconded by Johnson, to so move. Motion carried unanimously.
DISCUSS TRANSITIONAL COMMERCIAL DISTRICTS
Mr. Hinzman stated the Planning Commission was in favor oflooking at transitional commercial
districts as being similar to limited business districts, feeling the uses are more conducive to the
close proximity of the residential area. Those uses generally do not operate 24 hours a day, nor do
they generate a lot of traffic. Discussion was to look at the minimum setbacks, limiting the hours
of operation, lighting, traffic and exterior storage provisions. The thought was to make the limited
business the transitional commercial business. He asked the Council to authorize a public hearing
on an ordinance change.
Councilmember Knight suggested talking to some of the cities to the west who are going through
this same process. Councilmember Orttel noted Adult Uses should be eliminated from that district.
Motion by Orttel, Seconded by Knight, to direct the Planning Commission to hold the public
hearing. Motion carried unanimously.
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DISCUSS EXEMPTION TO NOISE ORDINANCE/POV'S SPORTS BAR
Mr. Carlberg explained Brad Povlitzki from Pov's Sports Bar requested permission to have an
outdoor concert with music played until 12:00 midnight on July 7 and 8, 2000, to run simultaneously
with the Andover Fun Fest days. This would require an exemption ITom the Noise Ordinance.
Mayor McKelvey reviewed the security, being provided. Mr. Povlitzki has also notified the
neighbors so they are aware this will be taking place. Mr. Carlberg stated a provision of the
exemption would be to notify residents, going into the neighborhood two to three houses. Staff can
assist in locating those residents with the GIS system. The Sheriffs Department will also be
notified of this to monitor the situation.
Motion by Orttel, Seconded by Johnson, to approve the exemption until midnight on July 7 and 8,
2000. Motion carried on a 4- Yes, I-No (Jacobson) vote.
PULL TAB LICENSE/LIONS' CLUB/FUN FEST
Motion by Orttel, Seconded by Knight, to approve the Resolution (Resolution Rl17-00 approving
a charitable gambling permit for the Andover Lions' Club to conduct a pull tab operation during the
Andover Family Fun Fest, Saturday, July 8, 2000, at 1685 Crosstown Boulevard NW). Motion
carried on a 3- Yes, I-No (Jacobson), I-Abstain (McKelvey) vote.
PIPELINE ISSUE
Mr. Carlberg explained the copy of the letter received today from Northern Natural Gas to FERC
indicates they will be 18 feet on the south side of 160th Lane but will be stockpiling on the south
lane of the street. Staff is concerned with damage to the street caused by their equipment. He felt
the City definitely needs to respond to FERC saying it does not agree with the letter being submitted.
Staff has been in contact with FERC by phone and on the web to monitor the situation. Staff will
prepare that letter, fax it to the Council for review tomorrow, then mail it and follow up with a phone
call.
John Moore - referenced a letter to the City Council dated October 2, 1979, noting the problems with
the pipeline and its relation to 160th Lane. Nothing was resolved then. The pipe is not under the
street and is not parallel to the street. He read they will cut 10 feet ofroad along the side of the
existing pipe to lay the new pipe. Mr. Carlberg stated the plan is not to do anything with 160th Lane
but work on the south side. The city's concern with the road is the equipment and putting the spoils
on it, which can damage the street. The City will write and call to encourage them to bore the pipe
as originally agreed in the construction plans. He felt this is an economic issue for Northern Natural
Gas Company, Councilmember Orttel also noted Northern Natural Gas threatened they would do
this ifthe City did not cooperate. He felt there are some implications there.
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(Pipeline Issue, Continued)
Winslow Holasek - suggested the City ask for a full sized construction plan. It is really tight through
there, and the small plans are not very clear. He believes they intend to put the pipe within five feet
of each other. That is a concern. The Council agreed to have Staff forward a letter of opposition
to FERC as suggested by Mr. Carlberg.
APPOINT TELECOMMUNICATION TOWER TASK FORCE
Motionby Jacobson, Seconded by Orttel, that we appoint two Commissioners rrom the Planning and
Zoning Commission and two from the Park and Recreation Commission as listed (Larry Dalien,
Doug Falk, Paul Anderson, Jim Lindahl); and the other applicants as listed with the exception of the
Bauer family--one of the two be selected at their discretion, but not both (Bill Hentges, Christopher
DelaForest, Lynnette or Donald Bauers and Jenry Camachoin) Motion carried unanimously.
1999 BUDGET CARRY FORWARD
The Council agreed to delay this item until the Council has a better idea of costs for the proposed
ball fields at the new high school site and there is a Council vision on expenditures.
Motion by Jacobson, Seconded by Ortte!, to move this item to the June 20 meeting. Motion carried
unanimously.
APPROVE NO PARKING RESOLUTION ALONG CROSSTOWN BOULEVARD AT
SUNSHINE PARK
Councilmember Knight was concerned that by not allowing parking along Crosstown Boulevard,
people will not have a place to park. Councilmember Johnson noted there is parking at the school;
but when they park in the grass, sprinkler heads are broken. Other Council suggestions were to have
signs directing people to the school parking lots or possibly provide a driveway connecting the lots.
Park and Recreation Commissioner Al Grabowski stated they tried to have signs directing the
parking to the schools last weekend and it worked well. They had planned more parking spaces in
the southwest comer of Sunshine Park, but that has been put on hold until the high school issue has
been resolved. With people parking along Crosstown Boulevard, it becomes very dangerous for
those leaving the parking lot because of the inability to see cars coming around the comer and the
fact that they travel on Crosstown at 50 mph or more. They will make further efforts to inform
people to park at the school parking lot. Councilmember Knight suggested this should be placed in
the next City newsletter.
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(No Parking along Crosstown Boulevard at Sunshine Park, Continued)
Motion by Orttel, Seconded by Knight, the Resolution under Item 26 (Resolution R119-00
designating no parking along both sides of Crosstown Boulevard between Hanson Boulevard and
Andover Boulevard.) Motion carried unanimously.
RESOLUTIONIDECLARING ANDOVER FAMILY FUN FEST A CITY FUNCTION
Attorney Hawkins advised the City does not increased its liability by making this declaration. The
activities are taking place on City property anyway.
Motion by Knight, Seconded by Jacobson, approval. (Resolution R120-00 declaring the Andover
Family Fun Fest a City function) Motion carried unanimously.
SCHOOL RELATED ISSUES
Mr. Fursman stated he drafted a letter to Tom Durand at School District lIon the issue of the City's
participation in the purchase ofland for fields adjacent to the high school. The City has discussed
opportunities to possibly build four ball fields, a soccer field and a parking lot on land owned by the
school district in lieu of an under or over pass across Crosstown Boulevard where the school would
use the fields at Sunshine Park. The question came up of whether or not the City would be willing
to purchase the land there. His response in the letter was the City doesn't have the money to buy the
land. He suggested the City may be willing to donate $200,000 toward the purchase in lieu of
constructing a parking lot adjacent to the proposed ball fields on the high school site. He asked if
the Council would be willing to consider that option.
Mr. Erickson clarified it was estimated a tunnel under Crosstown Boulevard would cost about
$450,000, plus extra parking would be needed closer to those fields in Sunshine Park. The estimate
to build the fields on school property is about $250,000 plus another $200,000 for the parking lot.
Mr. Fursman clarified the suggestion to provide $200,000 toward the purchase of land would mean
the City would not construct the parking lot next to the ball fields. The City already has that money
in the PIR fund.
Council discussion on the proposal was some objection to constructing a parking lot, but
constructing the fields next to the nigh school is the best option. A tunnel is a negative for both the
school district and the City in terms of maintenance, liability and location. There is great value in
gaining more ball fields, which are needed anyway. The concern, however, is that the dollar amount
keeps soaring.
Park and Recreation Commissioner Al Grabowski stated there could be a reduction in the costs of
the fields by volunteers laying the sod. They are now in need of new ball fields, and this is a very
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cheap alternative. But the parking lot is not needed. He noted that the Park Board is working on a
grant with the soccer association to construct a soccer field at the high school. Councilmember
Jacobson was concerned that the letter as written does not read what Mr. Fursman explained this
evening.
The Council generally agreed to the $450,000 cap in costs, which was the estimated cost of a tunnel,
and allocate them to ball fields and land costs at the school site. They also noted not all costs are
known, as the City agreed to support a signal at Crosstown and Andover Boulevard with the county
and school district, plus there will be other transportation costs. Mr. Carlberg explained discussions
need to continue on who is responsible for the various costs, especially since the City is beginning
the 2001 budget process. He also reported there is a neighborhood meeting tomorrow night with the
residents of Woodland Estates on school issues.
MAYOR/COUNCIL INPUT
Lions' donation - Mayor McKelvey announced the Lions' Club has agreed to donate $8,000 for
improvements at Pine Hills park
Status of road repair/Wittington Ridge - Mr. Erickson stated he has been working with Mr.
Windschitl's engineer, who is coordinating the paving contract. Mr. WindschitI stated developers
are faced with the situation that there is only one large paving contractor and some smaller ones. He
and Mr. Erickson have met with the contractor on site. It is a matter of these people getting to do it.
Street fight issue- The Council agreed to add to the next regular agenda the item to set a date for a
special meeting to discuss the issue of billing street lights to all residents in the City. It was
suggested Staff contact the City of Dayton regarding their policy on this matter.
Gazebo at Sunshine Park - Mr. Erickson stated Staff has met with the contractor of the gazebo at
Sunshine Park and reviewed the punch list items to be taken care of. There are a number of people
with differing opinions, and Staff is trying to work through that with the contractor and the Park
Board. He will have a report on the matter for the next meeting.
APPROVAL OF CLAIMS
Motion by Knight, Seconded by Jacobson, the payment of Claims. Motion carried unanimously.
Motion by Knight, Seconded by Johnson, to adjourn. Motion carried unanimously. The meeting
adjourned at 11 :45 p.m.
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