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HomeMy WebLinkAboutCC June 4, 2002 ~ CITY OF ANDOVER b· \~'tY- 1685 CROSSTOWN BOULEY ARD N.W. . ANDOVER, MINNESOTA 55304. (763) 755-5100 FAX (763) 755·8923. WWW.CLANDOVER.MN.US Regular City Council Meeting - June 4, 2002 Executive Session - 6:00 p.m. a. Woodland Litigation Update Call to order - 7:00 PM Resident Forum Agenda Approval 1. Approval of Minutes (5/21/02 Reg. Council) (5/23/02 Council Workshop) Consent Items 2. Approve Payment of Claims - Finance 3. Award Bid/02-l, 02-5, 02-6 & 02-9N arious Park Projects/2002 eIP - Engineering 4. Approve Quotes/02-7/Hidden Creek North ParkJ2002 eIP (Supplemental) - Engineering 5. Approve Feasibility Report/OI-30/Prairie Road Reconstruction & Trail Improvement/2002 CIP- Engineering 6. Approve Quote/02-5/Shadowbrook East Park Irrigation/2002 CIP - Engineering 7. Order Quotes/02- I 7/2002 Pavement Markings - Engineering 8. Award Bid/99- I 5/Watermain Transmission Lines/2002 eIP - Engineering 9. Approve Purchase of Easement/99-8/Well #8 - Engineering 10. Approve Reduction of Letter of Credit #304/Special Assessments/Proj. #98-36/Chesterton Commons North Addn. - Finance II. Approve Release of Letter of Credit #98-30/Special Assessments/Proj. # 97-05/Woodland Estates Addn. - Finance 12. Approve Refuse/Recycle Hauler Licenses - Clerk 13. Time Extension for Aztec Estates Preliminary Plat/SUP-Harstad Hills, Inc. - Planning 14. Resignation Of Planning and Zoning Commissioner Mark Hedin - Planning Discussion Items 15. Public Hearing/Approve Vacation of Utility, Drainage Easement/I 7729 Eidelweiss St. NW (Mike & Toni Grundstrom) - Engineering/Planning 16. Consider Anoka County Sheriff Department Safe House Program - Administration 17. Consider New OrdinanceÆxtend Term of Mayor/Background Information - Administration 18. Consider Variance to Ordinance No.8, Section 4.21 Fences & Walls/I 5672 Kiowa St. NW (John Dalos)- Planning 19. Consider "Foxburgh Crossing" Residential Sketch Plan/NW Corner of Hanson Boulevard & Andover Boulevard (Boone Builders) - Planning 20. Consider Residential Sketch Plan/I 444 - 161" Avenue NW (Mark Tibbetts) - Planning 21. Consider "Constance Corners" Residential Sketch Plan/16034 Crosstown Boulevard NW (Brueggeman Homes) - Planning 22. Consider Lot Split with Variances to Minimum Lot Width/South of 13503 Crooked Lake Boulevard (Parcel ill 33-32-24-43-0001) (John Stahnke Homes) - Planning 23. Consider Special Use Permit/3118 - I 62nd Lane NW (Todd Pall urn) - Planning 24. Consider Special Use Permit/3138 - I 62nd Lane NW (Clarence Zuleger) - Planning 25. Response to Skate Park Rules/O 1-5 - Engineering 26. Consider Comprehensive Plan Amendment Request/W oodland Development - Community Development 26a. Skate Park Attendant Funding Alternatives - Finance Regular City Council Meeting - Tuesday, May 4, 2002 Page Two Staff Items. 27. National Night Out - Change Council Meeting Date - Clerk 28. Schedule Council Workshop - Community Education Programming -Administration 29. Schedule EDA Meeting - Administration 30. Council Goals 2002-2003 Enhanced Communications - Administration 31. Executive Summary/Met Council MUSA Changes - Planning Mavor/Council 32. Letter from Football Association - Building Storage - Engineering 33. Letter on Drainage Issues (Supplemental) - Engineering 34. Residential Drainage Concern - B. Knox c Engineering 35. Financial Report on Park Dedicationffrail Fund Reserves - Finance Adjournment u ,__ (l~w\Llu1 (:?'l~'ÚY REGULAR ANDOVER CITY COUNCIL MEETING MINUTES -JUNE 4,1001 TABLE OF CONTENTS RESIDENT FORUM ................................................................................................................. 1 AGENDA APPROV AL............................................................................................................. 1 APPROVAL OF MINUTES...................................................................................................... 1 CONSENT ITEMS Approve Payment of Claims ...................................................... .......................................... 2 Approve Quotes/02-7/Hidden Creek North Parkl2002 CIP ................................................ 2 Resolution R089-02 approving Feasibility Report/OI-30/Prairie Road Reconstruction And Trail Improvements/2002 CIP................................................................................. 2 Resolution R090-02 approving Quote/02-5/Shadowbrook East Park Irrigation! 2002 CIP .................... .......... ................................................... ................................. ....... 2 Order Quotes/02-1712002 Pavement Markings .................................................................. 2 Resolution R091-02 awarding Bid/99-l5/Watermain Transmission Lines12002 CIP......... 2 Approve Purchase of Easement!99-8/Well #8.....................................................................2 Approve Reduction of Letter of Credit #98-30/Special AssessmentslProject #98-36/Chesterton Commons North Addition................................................................2 Approve Release of Letter of Credit #98-30/Special AssessmentslProject #97 -05/W oodland Estates Addition .......................... ... ............................................. ...... 2 Approve RefuselRecycle Hauler ..Licenses......................................................................... 2 Resolution R092-02 time Extension for Aztec Estates Preliminary Plat! SUP Harstad Hills, Inc. ......................... ...................................................................... ..... ....... 2 Resignation of Planning and Zoning Commissioner Mark Hedin....................................... 2 AWARD BID/02-1, 02-5, 02-6 & 02-9N ARIOUS PARK PROJECTS/2002 CIP Resolution R093-02 to approve ............................................................................................ 2 PUBLIC HEARING/APPROVE VACATION OF UTILITY, DRAINAGE EASEMENT/ 17729 EIDEL WEISS STREET NW (MIKE AND TONI GUNDSTROM) Resolution R094-02 to approve ............................................................................................3 CONSIDER ANOKA COUNTY SHERIFF DEPARTMENT SAFE HOUSE PROGRAM Motion to approve........................................... ............................................................... ....... 4 CONSIDER NEW ORDINANCEIEXTEND TERM OF MA YORlBACKGROUND INFORMATION Motion to request staff to draft a proposed ordinance and set up a public hearing .............. 5 CONSIDER VARIANCE TO ORDINANCE NO.8, SECTION 4.21 FENCES AND W ALLS/15672 KIOWA STREET (JOHN DALOS) Resolution R095-02 to deny ................................................................................................. 6 Motion to direct Planning Commission to have hearing to change Ordinance..................... 6 CONSIDER "FOXBOURGH CROSSING" RESIDENTIAL SKETCH PLANINW CORNER OF HANSON BOULEVARD AND ANDOVER BOULEVARD (BOONE BUILDERS ........................................................................................................................... 7 CONSIDER RESIDENTIAL SKETCH PLAN/1444 - 161 ST AVENUE NW (MARK TIBBETTS) ... ... ... ................................. .................... ... ..................... ......................... ...... ...... 9 CONSIDER "CONSTANCE CORNERS" RESIDENTIAL SKETCH PLAN/16034 ,- J T , Regular Andover City Council Meeting Minutes - June 4, 2002 Table of Contents Page ii CROSSTOWN BOULEVARD NW (BRUEGGEMAN HOMES)....................................... 9 CONSIDER LOT SPLIT WITH VARIANCES TO MINIMUM LOT WIDTH/SOUTH OF 13503 CROOKED LAKE BOULEVARD (PARCEL id 33-32-24-43-0001) (JOHN STAHNKE HOMES) Resolution R096-02 to approve ............................................................................................ 11 CONSIDER SPECIAL USE PERMIT/3118 _162NO LANE NW (TODD PALLUM) Resolution R097-02 to deny ................................................................................................. 12 CONSIDER SPECIAL USE PERMIT/3138 - l62ND LANE NW (CLARENCE ZULEGAR) Resolution R098-02 to approve ............................................................................................ 12 RESPONSE TO SKATE PARK RULES/Ol- Motion to make helmet and other safety equipment optional but to encourage wear. ......... 13 CONSIDER COMPREHENSNE PLAN AMENDMENT REQUEST/WOODLAND DEVELOPMENT Motion to deny ............................... ................................................................................. ...... 13 SKATE PARK ATTENDANT FUNDING ALTERNATNES Motion to approve and recommend option 2........................................................................ 14 NATIONAL NIGHT OUT - CHANGE COUNCIL MEETING DATE Motion to approve ................................................... .............................................................. 14 SCHEDULE COUNCIL WORKSHOP - COMMUNITY EDUCATION PROGRAMMING Motion to approve ....................... .............. ... ....................................... ..... ............................. 15 SCHEDULE EDA MEETING Motion to approve ........................... ................. ............................................................... ...... 15 COUNCIL GOALS 2002 - 2003 ENHANCED COMMUNICATIONS.................................. 15 EXECUTNE SUMMARYIMET COUNCIL MUSA CHANGES ........................................... 16 MAYOR/COUNCIL INPUT Letter from Football Association - Building Storage ........................................................... 16 Letter on Drainage Issues...................................................................................................... 17 Residential Drainage Concern - B. Knox ............................................................................. 18 Financial Report on Park DedicationlTrail Fund Reserve.................................................... 18 Letter from Association of Metropolitan Municipalities ...................................................... 18 Group Homes in the City ...................................................................................................... 18 Planning & Zoning - Speed Up Process ............................................................................... 18 Planning Cornmission.. ................................................. ..................................... ............. ...... 18 Meeting on Cornmunity Center................................................ ......... .............................. ...... 18 ADJOURNMENT...................................................................................................................... 19 _. -- I CITY of ANDOVER REGULAR ANDOVER CITY COUNCIL MEETING - JUNE 4,2002 MINUTES The Regular Bi-Monthly Meeting of the Andover City Council was called to order by Mayor Mike Gamache, June 4, 2002, 7:02 p.m., at the Andover City Hall, 1685 Crosstown Boulevard NW, Andover, Minnesota. Councilmembers present: Don Jacobson, Mike Knight, Ken Orttel, Julie Trude Councilmember absent: None Also present: City Attorney, William Hawkins City Engineer, Scott Erickson City Finance Director, Jim Dickinson Community Development Director, Will Neumeister City Administrator, John Erar Others RESIDENT FORUM No one wished to address the Council. AGENDA APPROVAL Remove from Consent Items for discussion Item 3, (Award Bidl02-1, 02-5, 02-6 & 02-9Narious Park Projects/2002 CIP. MOTION by Jacobson, Seconded by Knight, to approve the Agenda as revised. Motion carried unanimously. APPROVAL OF MINUTES May 21,2002, Regular Meeting: Correct as Amended. May 23, 2002, Council Workshop: Correct as written. Councilmember Trude stated on page 8, second paragraph the sentence should read, "Councilmember Trude stated that if the money did net come out of the capital fund account.. . " MOTION by Jacobson, Seconded by Trude, approval of May 21, 2002 minutes as indicated above. Motion carried unanimously. . - ".'. -" . ¡ Regular Andover City Council Meeting Minutes - June 4, 2002 Page 2 MOTION by Orttel, Seconded by Jacobson, approval of May 23,2002 minutes as written. Motion carried unanimously. CONSENT ITEMS Item 2 Approve Payment of Claims Item 4 Approve Quotes/02-7/Hidden Creek North Park/2002 ClP Item 5 Approve Feasibility Report/O l-30/Prairie Road Reconstruction & Trail lmprovements/2002 ClP (See Resolution ROS9-02) Item 6 Approve Quote/02-5/Shadowbrook East Park Irrigation/2002 ClP (See Resolution R090-02) Item 7 Order Quotes/02-17/2002 Pavement Markings Item S Award Bid/99-15/W atermain Transmission Lines/2002 ClP (See Resolution R091- 02) Item 9 Approve Purchase of Easement/99-S/Well #S Item 10 Approve Reduction of Letter of Credit #9S-30/Special Assessments/Project #9S- 36/Chesterton Cornmons North Addition Item 11 Approve Release of Letter of Credit #9S-30/Special Assessments/Project #97- 05/Woodland Estates Addition Item 12 Approve Refuse/Recyc1e Hauler Licenses Item 13 Time Extension for Aztec Estates Preliminary Plat/SUP-Harstad Hills, Inc. (See Resolution R092-02) Item 14 Resignation Of Planning and Zoning Commissioner Mark Hedin MOTlONby Trude, Seconded by Knight, approval of the Consent Agenda as read. Motion carried unanimously. AWARD BID101-1, 02-5, 01-6 & 01-9/VARIOUS PARK PROJECTSll00l CIP Councilmember Jacobson stated there were four parts to this and he wanted to bring this to the attention of the Council. He stated they had $2S0,000 set aside for these projects but the lowest bid was $366,400. He stated this was $S6,000 over the budgeted amount and the additional money not budgeted was suggested to come out of additional park dedication funds. He stated they were already $32,000 in the negative and they wanted to take an additional $S6,000 out ofthe fund. Councilmember Jacobson stated that $500,000 generated out of Andover Station is being talked about for the Sports Complex. The park budget is in the negative and there are other proj ects supposed to be starting soon. He thought that if they kept on dipping into park dedication fund, they would have some real trouble with funding for the projects not yet started. ¡ ~ - Regular Andover City Council Meeting Minutes - June 4, 2002 Page 3 Councilmember Jacobson was wondering if the projects totaling $366,000 were a portion of park projects and asked if they could take it out of that fund instead of park dedication funds. Mr. Dickinson stated the fund Councilmember Jacobson was talking about was actually the trail fund. The park fund still had $19,000 left over and that was without the $500,000 from Andover Station. They originally budgeted $29,000 to complete the ballfield development and they would only need $13,000 instead of$29,000. There were some other items being supplemented by other park items. All projects that went through the scoring approach last year were to be put in the 2002 CIP. Councilmember Orttel stated that part of the objection was the funds were not being spent on what was planned for this year. Councilmember Jacobson stated generally he would agree with this but it was $86,000 more than expected. He stated they might not have the money to do larger proj ects. Mr. Erar stated the fund was not in a deficit position and they needed to still take into account $19,000 and an additional $500,000 from Andover Station. Mr. Erickson stated all the 2002 ClP projects were moving forward. Councilmember Trude stated that maybe staff could get the bids out sooner on projects so they could get a better price. Mr. Erickson stated that their goal was to get the bids out as soon as possible. MOTION by Trude, Seconded by Orttel, to approve Item 3 (Award Bid/02-1,02-5, 02-6 & 02- 9Narious Park Projects/2002 ClP). See Resolution No. 093-02). Motion approved unanimously. PUBLIC HEARING/APPROVE VACATION OF UTILITY, DRAINAGE EASEMENT/17719 EIDELWEISS STREET NW (MIKE AND TONI GRUNDSTROM) Mr. Erickson noted the property owner had recently received approval of a lot split. An existing drainage and utility easement covers the entire south 100 feet of the new 183-foot wide lot. The applicant is proposing to vacate a portion of this easement to aid in the location of the required buildable area for the principal structure and on-site septic system. Mr. Erickson explained the Engineering Department reviewed the proposal and two conditions were suggested for approval: that a driveway culvert be installed by the applicant under the new driveway; and that a driveway culvert be constructed under the existing driveway or exposed if one currently exists. MOTIONby Orttel, Seconded by Jacobson to open the public hearing. Motion passed unanimously. MOTION by Knight, Seconded by Jacobson to close the public hearing. Motion passed -.- -- .- ] Regular Andover City Council Meeting Minutes - June 4, 2002 Page 4 unanimously. MOTION by Jacobson, Seconded by Knight, to approve Item 15 (Resolution R094-02, Public Hearing/Approve Vacation of Utility, Drainage Easement/17729 Eidelweiss Street NW). Motion carried unanimously. CONSIDER ANOKA COUNTY SHERIFF DEPARTMENT SAFE HOUSE PROGRAM Officer Laura Landes, Crime Prevention, stated the Sheriff's Office is proposing a program called "Safe House". The Sheriff's Office would contact licensed day care providers that live in the walking area to the schools and ask them to participate by providing assistance and a safe place for children who are in need of help. They would also be asked to frequently look out their windows during the walking times to see if they could spot any problems. The children would be able to recognize a "Safe House" because the Sheriff's Office would provide signs for them to place in their front windows. The Sheriffs Office chose licensed day care homes because they must submit to a criminal background check every two years by Anoka County. Officer Landes stated the cost for administrating the program would be incurred by the Sheriff's Office. Mayor Gamache asked if they would be in the schools in the early part of school opening. Officer Landes stated they would like to have an informational meeting before the beginning of the next school year. Councilmember Trude stated she thought it was important that Officer Landes talk with Chuck Holden for the School District's help with this program. Councilmember Knight commended the Sheriff's Department on what a wonderful program this would be but he was wondering if the sign in the window would be noticeable enough.. Officer Landes stated she did not know how the daycare providers would like this and she would need to check with them. MOTION by Orttel, Seconded by Knight, to approve Item No. 16 (Consider Anoka County Sheriff Department Safe House Program). Motion carried unanimously. CONSIDER NEW ORDINANCE/EXTEND TERM OF MA YORlBACKGROUND INFORMATION Mr. Erar stated at the May 7, 2002 Council meeting, additional information was requested to assist the Council in discussing whether the term of Mayor should be extended from 2 to 4 years as allowed pursuant to State Statute 412.022. . 1 Regular Andover City Council Meeting Minutes - June 4, 2002 Page 5 Mr. Erar stated in review ofthe survey conducted in 2000 by the City of Plymouth, the trend appears to suggest that larger, growing cities prefer a four-year mayoral term. Mayor Gamache stated the extension of Mayor would go into effect after the election this fall. One of the issues was the fact that as being Mayor, he is limited in some manner to participate on other Boards. It took him a year to become familiar with what was going on in the City and becoming involved in the community. He wants to make sure the City's input was voiced with other boards but it was difficult to do because of the time it takes to become familiar with the issues. The main goal is political stability within the City to enhance some of the effectiveness and to improve the continuity and consistency within the City. Councilmember Jacobson stated the one point to keeping the Mayor at a two-year term was to allow a vote after two years to get in a new Mayor if the current Mayor was not doing a good job for the City. Councilmember Trude stated she agreed because ifthere were problems or issues the public would not have the input. Councilmember Trude stated she would like a little more time to see what the public had to say regarding this issue. Councilmember Orttel asked ifit would be possible to have a public hearing on this. For the most part it seems that the Mayor gets elected and by the time he gets situated in office he has to run again for the position. He would like to hear what the public had to say also. Councilmember Jacobson asked if there was a time limit regarding this matter. Mr. Erar stated according to Statute, if a change were to be made that would affect the new Mayor in the subsequent year, an ordinance would have to be adopted either the second meeting in July or the first meeting in August. MOTION by Jacobson, Seconded by Trude, to request staff to draft a proposed ordinance and schedule a public hearing for the second Council meeting in July. Motion canied unanil1).ously. Councilmember Knight stated that if any resident could not make the public hearing, they should call City Hall or look on the website or in the newsletter and if anyone had any comment or input to let the City know. Councilmember Trude stated they would put the information on the website to notify the public of this topic. Councilmember Knight stated it would be a good idea to include the pros and cons regarding this on the web site. CONSIDER VARIANCE TO ORDINANCE NO.8, SECTION 4.11 FENCES & WALLSII5671 KIOWA STREET NW (JOHN DALOS) Mr. Neumeister stated the applicant was planning to construct a perimeter fence around his property. The proposed fence would be aluminum (similar to wrought iron) fencing that would be five feet in -.~ -.- -- I Regular Andover City Council Meeting Minutes - June 4. 2002 Page 6 height. The ordinance only allows a four-foot fence where the applicant is proposing the fence. Mr. Neumeister stated the proposed fence would be constructed along the rear and side property lines. It would be placed in front of an existing row of mature evergreen trees in the front yard. Mr. Neumeister stated the Planning Commission recommended denial of the proposed variance citing the lack of hardship. The Commission further requested additional information be provided to consider the potential for an ordinance amendment that would allow six foot fences in the front year setback provided that they were not opaque wood fences. Councilmember Jacobson asked what the hardship was. Mr. Neumeister stated the applicant's letter stated that due to the lay of the land, the ditch will cause 90% of the fence to be below 4 feet high at the road level and it will conform to a five foot fence to be installed on other three sides." He stated the site was lower than the road so the applicant's contention was that it was special circumstances. Councilmember Orttel asked ifthe issue was that the dogs would jump over the fence if it was only four feet in height. Mr. Neumeister stated that was true. Councilmember Trude stated they did have a letter of objection from another neighbor. Mayor Gamache stated the resident strongly objects to any changes in the Ordinance to fences and wall entries. They had an issue as to where exactly the fence would be placed because they have not done a survey. MOTION by Jacobson, Seconded by Trude, to deny Item No. 18 (Resolution R095-02, Consider Variance to Ordinance No.8, Section 4.21 Fences & Walls/15672 Kiowa Street NW). Motion carried unanimously. Mr. John Dalos, 15672 Kiowa Street, stated he was requesting the variance from four feet high to five feet high not only for security ofthe animal but also for the security of the public. He stated the fence would be approximately 20 feet from the road, which was where his boundary line was. He showed a picture to the Council of his property. Councilmember Trude asked if20 feet was within the City easement. Councilmember Orttel stated that it would be on the edge of it. Mr. Dalos stated he proposed to put the fence right on the property line. There would not be an obstruction to traffic view. He was planning to put up a decorative wrought iron fence that was 3 Yz inches between bars and the five foot fence would conform with the rest of the fencing going up around his yard. The rest of the property would be chain link fence. In consideration of the neighbors, he did not like chain link fence going across the front yard and he thought the decorative iron would add to the property. Councilmember Knight asked if a dog that large would be contained in a five- foot fence. Mr. Dalos stated his dog was an explosion detection dog and would be non-aggressive. Councilmember Orttel didn't think this should be done by a variance but that they should vote on . - I] Regular Andover City Council Meeting Minutes - June 4, 2002 Page 7 the matter and then address the issue about whether or not the City would be willing to hold a hearing to see if they should amend the Ordinance to allow up to a five or six foot decorative fence that was approved by their ARC Committee or by the Building Department. Councilmember Trude stated the neighbors stated they preferred to look at open space versus a fenced in space and in the smaller developments the fences did break up the view and she could understand the concerns of the neighbors. Mr. Dalos stated the fence was not unique to the area. His neighbors have six-foot fences around the front and then wood going around the other three sides. Councilmember Jacobson stated the issue was ifthere was a hardship in order to grant a variance and there is no hardship and he said that-he-wouJd be willing to go along with a four-foot fence if it was the Council's decision. 1ý\{. pe-rrl10y\tr CU~tmlL£t p- f~ '6~ Councilmember Trude asked if decorative fences are considered non-containment fences. If they had a lot of people keeping their pets in the rront yard then they would have issues with delivery people, meter readers and mail people being able to access the property. Mr. Dalos stated the fence would go directly across and stop at the driveway and the driveway would be open and the area on the north side of the driveway would be enclosed and the area on the south side of the driveway would be fenced in up to the house. This would be accessible to the service people. MOTION by Orttel, Seconded by Jacobson to direct the Planning Commission to have a hearing to look at changing the Ordinance for decorative fences. Motion carried 4 ayes, 1 nay (Trude), Councilmember Trude stated she was concerned with front yard fencing because it blocked off neighborhoods and it starts to give the community a gated look. CONSIDER "FOXBURGH CROSSING" RESIDENTIAL SKETCH PLAN/NW CORNER OF HANSON BOULEVARD AND ANDOVER BOULEVARD (BOONE BUILDERS) Mr. Neumeister stated the City Council was asked to review a sketch plan for "Foxburgh Crossing", an urban residential development containing 13 single-family lots. This sketch has been revised to remove the previously proposed townhouses. The Park and Recreation Commission has reviewed the sketch and recommends that park dedication fees be paid for this proj ect. Mr. Neumeister noted the proposed site is designated Urban Residential Low Density and would have a density of 2,OS unites per acre. The property would need to be rezoned to Single Family Urban Residential (R-4). Councilmember Knight asked if the end lots surrounding the cul-de-sac would need variances on the wetlands that were being created. Mr. Neumeister stated they would not because they all meet the buildability requirement to the best of their knowledge based on the design that had been given to them. ] Regular Andover City Council Meeting Minutes - June 4, 2002 Page 8 Mayor Gamache asked ifall the homes would have an exit to 145th Lane. Mr. Neumeister said they would exit to 145th lane and Ibis would be the main entrance coming into the development. He stated they could restrict that at the time of the plat. Councilmember Trude asked if utilities were on Ibis or elsewhere. Mr. Erickson stated the utilities would come out on Ibis. Councilmember Jacobson asked with the upgraded intersection, might the construction impinge on the edge lots that back up on Hanson if it were to go through. Mr. Erickson stated he would not anticipate that because he thought the County had enough Right-of-Way for the project but they would review that with the final plat in case there has to be an additional easement in the comer. Mr. Bill Gleason, representing Boone Builders, stated there was actually one wetland area that was being enhanced and the other was a storm water retention pond. They do meet the setback requirements. He was taking some ofthe dirt out of the area and moving it into berms backing up to Andover Boulevard to give more buffer to the people who eventually will build there. They would try to move trees to other areas to keep them onsite as a buffer to the property. The lot sizes are greater than what they would find in other residential developments. Mr. Gleason stated there was not much else they cöuId do with the land except for townhomes or commercial. Based on what is going on in the marketplace, the housing would run close to $300,000. Ms. Carol Cooper stated the back of her property butts up to the development and she would like the City Council to consider the issues that were coming up in the area before approving the development. There were a lot of issues with traffic and the development that was going in just south of there and the school being built. The traffic was going to substantially increase in that area and thirteen homes would make a big difference. She would like to see the area being dedicated to a park area and hoped the City Council members took their time and not push the development. Councilmember Knight stated there was a good point made with the traffic and he was wondering if there was anything that could be done. Mr. Erickson stated it met all the intersection setbacks. Ms. Patti Stay, _? 146th stated she was concerned with Oak Wilt in the area. She stated they lost 13 oaks a few years ago and a neighbor lost 15 oaks. They bought their lot because is was wooded. Mr. Erickson stated there is an Ordinance that deals with Oak Wilt issues. Mr. Gleason stated their goal was to grade and work on the development in the fall and they would be willing to work with the City regarding this because they would not want to lose any trees to Oak Wilt because of the price of the lots. Mr. Erar stated the Council only needed to review this item and informally advise the applicant on the proposed development. ~ - - - r Regular Andover City Council Meeting Minutes - June 4, 2002 Page 9 CONSIDER RESIDENTIAL SKETCH PLAN/1444 _16lsr A VENUE NW (MARK TIBBETTS) Mr. Neumeister stated the Planning and Zoning Cornmission reviewed the sketch in conjunction with the Shady Oak Grove sketch plan. The proposed sketch would bring a street connection into the property from Crane Street and have six lots positioned around a cul-de-sac. The Planning Commission recommended approval of the sketch. The Park and Recreation Commission will review this item at an upcoming meeting. Councilmember Trude asked what the timeline was for this project. Mr. Neumeister stated it is scheduled for next year. CONSIDER "CONSTANCE CORNERS" RESIDENTIAL SKETCH PLAN/16034 CROSSTOWN BOULEVARD NW (BRUEGGEMAN HOMES) Mr. Neumeister stated the project area was approximately 36.8 acres. The proposed density (1.7 units per acre) conforms to the low-density land use designation from the Comprehensive Plan for the property. The property is zoned Single-Family Rural (R-l). A rezoning to Single-Family Urban (R-4) would be necessary. Many of the lots border wetland mitigation areas, especially south of 160th Lane and west of Quince Street. Review by the Coon Creek Watershed Management Organization will determine whether this development proposal is feasible. The purpose of Outlot A at the northeast comer ofthe sketch plan is to allow the existing Church to meet minimum setback requirements should it decide to expand. Outlot B at the southwest corner of the sketch plan would also be combined with adjacent property to the south of it. Both of these properties must become a part of the plat before this could move through the preliminary plat phase. The applicant did not plan to create the outlots unless the adj acent property owner wishes to purchase them. A covenant would then be necessary to ensure this took place. The cul-de-sac on the southwest comer of the sketch plan might need to be shortened in order to allow lots 22 and 23 to meet the minimum depth requirements. Utilities would need to be extended to serve the proposed development. Mr. Greg Shlank addressed the Council. He stated they still needed to get the exchange worked out with the resident but the road would need to continue on its current aligrunent. Mr. Neumeister stated there would be a new lot line that would bisect the middle of Outlot B so that the south portion of Outlot B could be traded to the people to the south in exchange for the triangle on the map. Councilmember Knight asked if Lot 17 would be filled. Mr. Shlank stated there were three small wetland areas that were non-contiguous and what they were proposing to do was to remove the land bridge and mitigate that as a part of the wetland and it would be more than a two to one wetland swap. Councilmember Jacobson stated the existing buildings would be removed and wanted to know how far away the sewer and water were located. Mr. Erickson stated it was just on the other side of the railroad tracks. Councilmember Jacobson stated there was nothing to the south of Sycamore Street j Regular Andover City Council Meeting Minutes - June 4, 2002 Page 10 so to rezone this for City lots for sewer and water could be a major problem. Councilmember Jacobson questioned the status of Outlot A. Mr. Shlank stated they originaUy approached the church and had asked to buy additional property to be in compliance with the setback requirements. However, at this time they were unable to move forward with that so they were just going to plat that to the existing property lines. Mr. Neumeister stated the discussion they had was that the developers approach the church and try to resolve any potential for non-conformities because ofthe way the church was sitting. He stated he understood the negotiations had fallen apart. Councilmember Knight asked if this was a functional dam. Mr. Neumeister stated it was probably a ditch block that was there to hold back the water. Councilmember Knight asked who controUed this when it is on private property. Mr. Erickson stated that with a plat they would review the hydrology of the area. Typically if a dam was put in by the homeowner and was considered detrimental to the area, they would ask them to remove it. Mayor Gamache asked to have the sewer and water clarified. Mr. Erickson stated the sewer and water was at the south side ofl61 't,just west of the tracks and the water and sewer would be jacked under the railroad tracks and run down through Sycamore or I 60th. From the south, there was a stub that could be brought over but that would take the cooperation of the adjacent properties to the south. Mrs. Sherry Nechodom, 15890 Sycamore, stated she had an issue with the water and sewer. She stated there were a dozen homeowners there and they all have two acres and two hundred feet of road. She knew they would not want to pay for aU the sewer and water coming through their area. She stated that instead of coming under two railroad tracks, why not go under one railroad track on Constance and come down along the railroad tracks. Councilmember Orttel stated they would not run sewer lines past peoples' homes to accommodate a developer so something would need to be worked out between the residents and the developer before that would happen. Regarding the sewer and water, Mayor Gamache asked if the reason they would not bring it down from where they come across Constance was the cost. Mr. Erickson stated that for the sewer it was just the depth of the line. Preliminarily the depth ofthe line would not be able to functionally cross the wetland because it was so low. Councilmember Knight stated he did not think the railroad would aUow them to run sewer along their right-of-way. -.- - I Regular Andover City Council Meeting Minutes - June 4, 2002 Page 11 CONSIDER LOT SPLIT WITH VARIANCES TO MINIMUM LOT WIDTH/SOUTH OF 13503 CROOKED LAKE BOULEVARD (PARCELID 33-31-14-43-000I)(JOHN STAHNKE HOMES) Mr. Neumeister noted the Planning and Zoning Commission unanimously recommended approval of the lot split with conditions. Mr. Neumeister stated that because ofthe way the tract was platted, it was in error at the time of the subdivision. It was described as being 165 feet in width and the actual property was only 154 feet. There was an old County ditch easement that was vacated that crossed the property at a diagonal. That was vacated on February 7, 2002. The City engineer had included a condition that the existing pipe be removed prior to the issuance of a permit. He stated he wanted to correct that statement to say "prior to release ofthe resolution for recording". Mr. Neumeister stated there was a letter of rejection from the property owner's agent that indicated they opposed the condition the City engineer was proposing to remove the storm pipe. Councilmember Trude wanted to know what made it critical to remove the storm pipe. Mr. Erickson stated they were looking at the long-term problems of leaving it in. The pipe could collapse, or leaving it open could be a hazard to children and animals. Mr. Jim Hughes, Greenwald Realty, 2916 132nd Avenue NE Coon Rapids stated he took some photographs and could not find an open end but he did find an access pit on the property. This would be a safety issue and Mr. Stahnke had indicated he would be willing to collapse this and fill it in. Mr. Hughes stated he did not know what the other safety issues would be. He stated the photos revealed a smaller concrete pipe and the pipe collapsing would not be a big issue. He stated there were a lot of trees in that area and it would create a hardship by removing the pipe without destroying the trees. Councilmember Jacobson asked if the $12,000 in deferred assessments would be due when the property is sold. Mr. Dickinson stated they would go by what the resolution stated at the time of deferral of the assessments. Mr. Hughes stated the purchaser was willing to pay this in full in cash. Mr. Erar stated that it sounded like there was a desire for staffto take another look at whether or not the pipe needed to be removed. Staff could go back to the site and take a look to see if there were any other options available. Mr. James Johnson, 3834 123rd Avenue NW, stated he planned to buy one of the lots. He stated it would probably be $20,000 to remove the pipe. He indicated he had talked to an asphalt consultant about the driveway situation and they thought it was a cistern and recommended to fill the pipe with sand and put concrete on top. Removing the pipe would destroy most of the trees. He wanted to know why they should spend another $20,000 as this would be a hardship for any ofthern. Mr. Tony Capp, 2735 134th Lane, stated his property was behind the property being discussed and he suggested filling the pipe with sand and then cap it with cement. MOTIONby Jacobson, Seconded by Knight, to approve Item No. 22 (Resolution R096-02, Consider Lot Split with Variances to Minimum Lot Width/South of 13503 Crooked Lake Boulevard {Parcel .. 1 Regular Andover City Council Meeting Minutes - June 4, 2002 Page 12 ill 33-32-24-43-0001» as prepared with one exception: remove Item number 2 and in place of that insert words to direct staff to relook at the pipe and safety issue and come up with a less intrusive, more economical method of making sure the area is safe and insert a hold harmless clause for the City if something were to happen to the pipe in the future. Motion carried unanimously. CONSIDER SPECIAL USE PERMlT/3118 -16J!iD LANE NW (TODD PALLUM) Mr. Neumeister stated the applicant has requested approval of a Special Use Permit to operate a repair garage, towing service and outdoor storage in the Hughes Industrial Park. The City prohibits auto storage and reduction yards and exterior storage of two or more unlicensed motor vehicles or the remains thereof. Vehicles cannot be kept for the purpose of dismantling, sale of parts, and sales as scrap, storage, or abandonment. Storage of waste tires on the site is also prohibited. Mr. Neumeister stated based on the nature of the business and the number of vehicles proposed to be stored on the property, staffhad determined that this request would not meet the City's requirements. Staff recommends denial of the requested special use permit. Mr. Pallum, 3118 162nd Lane NW, stated that this was a holding area. Mayor Gamache asked ifhis business was towing the vehicles and holding them for a short period oftime and then moving them. Mr. Pallum stated this was true except for the abandoned vehicles which would be there a little longer. MOTION by Orttel, Seconded by Jacobson, to deny Item No. 23 (Consider Special Use Permit/3118 - 162nd Lane NW). See Resolution No. R097-02. Motion carried unanimously. CONSIDER SPECIAL USE PERMIT/3138 _16J!iD LANE NW (CLARENCE ZULEGAR) Mr. Neumeister explained the Planning Commission unanimously recornmended approval of the Special Use Permit request of Clarence Zulegar for retail trade and services. Mayor Gamache asked if the building met all codes. Mr. Neumeister stated it did. MOTION by Jacobson, Seconded by Orttel, to approve Item No. 24 (Consider Special Use Pennit/3138 _162nd Lane NW). See Resolution No. R098-02. Motion carried unanimously. Mr. Zuleger, 3138 162nd Lane NW, stated that the two structures behind the building were a block building and a pole building and asked if the pole building is grandfathered in because this would be used for storage. Mr. Erar stated they could make the SUP conditional on the Building Department review on that requirement. Mr. Neumeister stated that one item prohibited was galvanized steel and should be defeITed to the legal and building people but there was a prohibition on this type of material and it was their opportunity to make it clear not to use this type of building material. Mr. Erar stated if they go with the resolution, point number five mentions it. · I Regular Andover City Council Meeting Minutes - June 4, 2002 Page 13 RESPONSE TO SKATE PARK RULES/01-5 Mr. Erickson stated that since the opening of the park last July, there have been two sets of rules regarding the park. The first set of rules (original set) required helmets and all other protective gear and equipment. The second set of rules were proposed and approved by the City Council on September 4, 2001. These rules were changed to eliminate the requirements of other protective gear and equipment but helmets were still required. Mr. Erickson stated that if the City Council would like to eliminate the requirement of helmets, the City Council may choose to do so. Councilmember Knight stated he would recommend changing the requirement of helmets to recommending helmets. Councilmember Trude stated that head injuries were the biggest issue and if they paid for an attendant it would cut down on ambulance calls. Councilmember Jacobson stated that it was not required on a Type I skateboard park. Councilmember Trude stated the issues she found were for an attendant and the helmet was not the issue. She stated she would like to get to the point where people can come and feel the skate park is a safe place to gò. Mayor Gamache stated he looked at the website for Shoreview's skate park and the one main issue was they had an attendant on duty and their skate park was not open unless there was an attendant on duty. He stated he would be in favor oflooking at this type of rule and the main issue of having an attendant on duty would take care of the problems. MOTION by Jacobson, Seconded by Knight, to make the helmet and other safety equiprnent to be optional but encouraged to wear. Motion carried 3 ayes, 2 nays (Trude, Cw..""l¡e). Ôr 4e-\ - Q.I'\oìU1du{ h' \ ~ 'ÒJ- CONSIDER COMPREHENSIVE PLAN AMENDMENT REQUEST/WOODLAND DEVELOPMENT Mr. Neumeister stated Woodland Development Corporation has requested a Comprehensive Plan Amendment for an additional 40 acres ofland, north and west of Woodland Estates 2nd Addition. The property is located outside of the current 2020 MUSA boundary. It is staff's opinion that the review of a MUSA boundary change for the 40 acres he is requesting at this time is included in the Rural Reserve areas currently under review. Consequently, it is premature at this time to process this particular request. Councilmember Jacobson stated that under the agreement they signed with the Metropolitan Council, section 3a talked about the rural reserve during the time they were identifying. He read from the agreement and stated that if they agreed to what Mr. Westlund wants they would be in r Regular Andover City Council Meeting Minutes - June 4, 2002 Page 14 violation of the agreement. Mayor Gamache stated he would direct staff to hold off on making a decision at this time. MOTION by Trude, Seconded by Jacobson, to deny Item No. 26 (Consider Comprehensive Plan Amendment Request/Woodland Development). Motion carried unanimously. SKATE PARK ATTENDANT FUNDING ALTERNATIVES Mr. Dickinson stated at the May 21, 2002 City Council meeting, the Council indicated they would like Finance Department recommendations of funding sources for the funding the hiring of a part time temporary seasonal skate board park attendant ($9,000). Option one would be to impose a daily fee for use of the facility, utilize the savings of removing the pay phones from Sunshine Park and City Hall, the utilization ofthe General Fund Parks Department budget for warming house attendants. Option two would be to utilize the General Fund Parks Department budget for warming house attendants and utilizing the savings of removing the pay phones from Sunshine Park and City Hall. Option three would be the utilization of2002levy dollars that will be deposited into the Park ImprovementlDedication fund, that were previously prograrruned as part of the Capital Improvement Plan (CIP) for capital expenditures. Mr. Dickinson stated he did not recommend this option. MOTION by Trude, Seconded by Orttel, to approve Item 26a (Skate Park Attendant Funding Alternatives) and recommend Option 2. Motion carried unanimously. NATIONAL NIGHT OUT - CHANGE COUNCIL MEETING DATE Mr. Erar stated National Night Out is scheduled for August 6, 2002, which is a Regular City Council meeting night. To allow the City Councilmembers and staff the opportunity to attend various National Night Out functions in the city, the Council meeting scheduled for August 6, 2002 needs to be rescheduled. The City Council is requested to reschedule the August 6th meeting to Monday, August 5, 2002 at 7:00 p.m. MOTION by Orttel, Seconded by Knight, to approve Item No. 27 and to change the Council Meeting Date to Monday, August 5, 2002. Motion carried unanimously. . L Regular Andover City Council Meeting Minutes - June 4, 2002 Page 15 SCHEDULE COUNCIL WORKSHOP- COMMUNITY EDUCATION PROGRAMMING Mr. Erar noted at the 2002-03 Council Goal Setting Workshop, Council indicated their collective desire to meet with the Anoka-Hennepin School District Cornmunity Education representatives to investigate benefits the City derives from its annual contribution to Community Education. In 2002, this contribution amounted to approximately $72,814 for youth programming, including summer programs and a new part-time position at the Rum River Elementary School. Mr. Erar stated Council should consider scheduling a Council Workshop for Wednesday, June 26, 2002 at 6:30 p.m. to meet with Community Education representatives. The agenda would include a presentation and discussion of benefits derived from the City's financial participation in Community Education programming and a discussion of potential community education programming opportunities in the proposed Community Center facility. Councilmember Trude stated she wanted to discuss some of the fees because she saw it as a fund raising effort. She stated one of the issues she wanted to talk to them about was subsidizing one building in the school district to assist kids in having the buildings open for the meetings and activities. MOTION by Jacobson, Seconded by Trude, to approve Item No. 28 (Schedule Council Workshop - Community Education Programming for Wednesday, June 26,2002 at 6:30 p.m. to meet with Community Education representatives). Motion carried unanimously. SCHEDULE EDA MEETING Mr. Erar stated due to the ongoing nature of commercial site development activities in Andover Station, along with interest by prospective parties in developing the WDE commercial site, there is a need to schedule an EDA meeting to review these issues. MOTION by Jacobson, Seconded by Knight, to approve Item No. 29 (Schedule EDA Meeting for Wednesday, June 12,2002 at 6:30 p.m. in Conference Room A). Motion carried unanimously. COUNCIL GOALS 1001-1003 ENHANCED COMMUNICATIONS Mr. Erar stated one ofthe items on the Council Goals for 2002-2003, was to Enhance Communication - Develop a list of ideas/suggestions to further enhance public cornmunications. Vicki Volk, City Clerk, Rhonda Anderson, Administrative Secretary for Engineering and Mr. Erar's office worked on the goal. Mr. Erar stated Staff would like to start with identifying a list of ways the City already communicates with the public. At this time staff cannot identify any additional cornmunication - . 1: Regular Andover City Council Meeting Minutes - June 4, 2002 Page 16 mediums beyond website enhancements and distribution of park maps. The City of Andover uses a wide range of communication tools to provide the residents of Andover with information. Mr. Erar stated Council might want to suggest a sub-committee and sit in on the meetings. Councilmember Jacobson stated that Mayor Gamache and he would start a sub-committee regarding this. EXECUTIVE SUMMARYIMET COUNCIL MUSA CHANGES Mr. Neumeister stated a detailed summary and discussion of the proposed policy changes is contained in the attached discussion paper from AMM. This information was obtained by staff that attended an AMM presentation on May 15,2002. The discussion centered on the newest policy direction coming out of the Metropolitan Council that would focus attention on MUSA cities rather than MUSA boundary changes. A MUSA city would be defined as any city that lies partially or wholly within the 2020 MUSA. The proposed policy would allow MUSA cities to essentially "stage" their own MUSA, locating growth and development anywhere within their jurisdiction as long as regional systems will be available and adequate. According to Metropolitan Council staff, the idea is to place more emphasis on how cornmunities grow and less emphasis on where. The Metropolitan Council has not made a final decision on the proposed policy, and is seeking input from the cities. Mr. Neumeister reviewed a summary of some of the key points of the proposed policy change. MAYOR/COUNCIL INPUT (Letter from Football Association - Building Storage) - Mr. Erickson stated this was an update as to the status of Andover Football Association's request to construct a storage building at Prairie Knoll Park. The scope and funding for this proposal was not yet established so it was recomrnended to wait until the City Council and the Park Commission reviewed the proposed 2003 CIP projects. Mr. Steve Frietag and Mr. Chuck Trom, Andover Football Association, stated they have worked together for fields for fall usage. Mr. Frietag stated that the more time they were spending with the Park Board they were seeing the need for more fields. Mr. Frietag stated they put together a proposal for Prairie Knoll to be irrigated and have three fields be put there along with a storage building being built and bathrooms installed. Councilmember Trude stated this would be a good grant proposal. She stated it would have the potential to serve 2,500 kids. She assumed that staff has looked at a potential location for a storage building and how it fits into the overall plan. Mr. Trom stated there was still a lot of consideration that needed to made on where the storage building would be. Councilmember Orttel asked if this was the best spot. Mr. Trom stated he drove around and they discussed the current situation and finding three fields that could have City sewer or water with -.- :1 Regular Andover City Council Meeting Minutes - June 4, 2002 Page 17 bathrooms was hard to find. Councilmember Orttel asked if the site was where everything would happen. Mr. Trom stated this would be for game fields only. Councilmember Knight stated that with football there was lighting so they would need to consider installing lights. Mr. Trom stated he brought this up to the Park Commission and they suggested Sunshine Park. Councilmember Jacobson stated that instead of discussing this it should go to the Park Commission for approval and then to them. Mr. Prietag stated they were using a lot of the parks out there and they use everything the CitY has given for a practice field. Mayor Gamache asked if they were planning to talk with the School District regarding the field use at the school. Mr. Trom stated he was not sure if the fields would be able to be used this fall. (Letter on Drainage Issues) - Mr. Erickson stated he received a letter from Mr. Todd Baumgartner concerning the placement of water fountains in Andover's residential drainage ponds. Mr. Todd Baumgartner, 15537 Yellowpine Street NW, wants to restrict the use of the fountain which is an industrial sized fountain. He stated it shoots water up 15 feet high and runs at least four days out of the week until 10:00 p.m. Mr. Erickson stated they looked at this from different aspects. He stated they did look to see if it was in conflict with the use of the easement and it does not conflict with the use. He contacted other cities to see if there were any issues related to this and he has not gotten any response that this has been an issue elsewhere. He stated there was nothing in place that would restrict this type of installation. Councilmember Jacobson stated the neighbors should get together and talk about how this bothers them. Mr. Baumgartner stated he did talk to him and he has changed the fountain to have start times more random. They are just looking at some fairness and they wanted to be fair to them because he was sure there was some money put into this. Mr. Baumgartner stated that the fountain runs everyday until 1 0:00 p.m. and they would like to have the running time limited. Councilmember Orttel asked if staff could call the resident and discuss this with them. Mr. Erickson stated they could call and discuss this with the property owner. Councilmember Knight asked if there was room to move it away from his property. Mr. Baumgartner stated that he did think there was room but he did not think that it would be far enough away to stop the noise. (Residential Drainage Concern - B. Knox) - Mr. Erickson stated City staff has reviewed and approved a proposal from the property owner located at 15309 Linnet Street NW to reconfigure the existing storm water pond located behind their house. Mr. Knox has submitted a modified grading plan for the reconfiguration of his back yard and the associated storm water pond. The City Engineering Department reviewed the modified grading plan and has performed the necessary cut 1 Regular Andover City Council Meeting Minutes - June 4. 2002 Page IS and fill calculations to determine if Mr. Knox's plan adequately compensates for the proposed pond fill. Upon review of the plan submitted by Mr. Knox, it has been determined that it does adequately compensate for the proposed fill. Once the grading has been completed City Engineering staff will verify the final grade elevations with the property owner to insure the work is performed in compliance with the proposed grading plan. Mr. Knox had indicated to Mr. Ericksion that the reconfiguration was finished and the issue should be resolved and staff would go out to the property to make sure everything was done. Mr. Erar commended City Engineer Mr. Erickson for a job well done and Councilmember Trude thanked Mr. Erickson for working with Mr. Knox on this issue. (Financial Report on Park Dedication/Trail Fund Reserves) - Mr. Dickinson stated at the May 21, 2002 City Council meeting, the Council indicated they would like to receive an update on various projects funded by park dedication and trail funds. He stated he had four reports that would be provided on a quarterly basis to the Council. (Letter from Association of Metropolitan Municipalities) - Mayor Gamache stated he received a letter regarding AMA policy committees that were being formed and if anyone was interested let him know. He stated they have five different meetings between July and September and they are looking for people to be involved. (Call wondering if the City is notified of Group Homes in the City) - Councilmember Trude asked if the City is notified of group homes coming into the Community. Mr. Erar stated that they need to notify the City of the use but the State does regulate the Group Homes. He stated that turning a residential home into a rental home would need to be inspected under the rental inspection. (Planning & Zoning-Speed up Process) - Councilmember Jacobson stated they get a three week notification from the Planning & Zoning Commission and he was wondering if there was some way to speed up the process. Mr. Erar stated that ifthey receive notification of time restraints, they try to accelerate that process. Mr. Erar stated there is an Ordinance in place which prevents staff from allowing the Planning & Zoning Commission items to go to the next Council meeting. (Planning Commission) - Councilmember Trude stated that she would like to set up a training meeting for the Planning and Zoning Commission because she was alarmed at some of the exchange that was going on. She is concerned that mission was lost. Councilmember Trude stated that there is a vacancy on the Commission and she did not know if there were alternates to fill that vacancy. Mr. Erar stated there were two alternates and they would be asking them if they are interested in the position and if Council would like to reinterview the altemates. Councilmember Trude stated she would like to advertise for the position. (Meeting on Community Center) Mayor Gamache stated there is a Community Center Meeting on l Regular Andover City Council Meeting Minutes - June 4. 2002 Page 19 Thursday, June 13,2002 at 6:30 p.m. and the second will immediately follow probably at 8:00 p.m. at Andover Elementary School, North Gym. MOTlONby Jacobson, Seconded by Trude, to adjourn. Motion carried unanimously. The meeting adjourned at 11:12 p.m. Respectfully submitted, Susan Osbeck, Recording Secretary . -