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HomeMy WebLinkAboutWK July 29, 2003 ~ cv.v ~ ~-lC¡-O? 1685 CROSSTOWN BOULEVARD N.W. . ANDOVER, MINNESOTA 55304 . (763) 755-5100 FAX (763) 755·8923 . WWW.CI.ANDOVER.MN.US CITY COUNCIL WORKSHOP MISCElLANEOUS BUSINESS ITEMS JULY 29,2003 -7:00 PM AGENDA 1. Call to Order 2. Approve Agenda 3. Community Center Project Update - Administration 4. Fun Fest Organizational Matters - City Clerk 5. Private vs. Public Installation of City Infrastructure - Engineering 6. 2020 MUSA Staging Plan - 2003/04 Council Goal- Community Development 7. Consider/Schedule Joint Council Meeting/County Transportation Policies - Administration 8. Development Proposal\Kuiken Property - Community Development 9. Other Business Items lO.Adjourn C I T Y o F NDOVE 1685 CROSSTOWN BOULEVARD N.W. . ANDOVER, MINNESOTA 55304 . (763) 755-5100 FAX (763) 755-8923 . WWW.CI.ANDOVER.MN.US SPECIAL ANDOVER CITY COUNCIL WORKSHOP - JULY 29, 2003 MINUTES The Special Council Workshop of the Andover City Council was called to order by Mayor Mike Gamache, July 29, 2003, 7:02 p.m., at the Andover City Hall, 1685 Crosstown Boulevard NW, Andover, Minnesota. Councilmembers present: Don Jacobson, Ken Orttel (arrived at 7:07 p.m.), Julie Trude Councilmember absent: Mike Knight Also present: City Engineer, Dave Berkowitz City Finance Director, Jim Dickinson Community Development Director, Will Neumeister City Administrator, John Erar Others AGENDA APPROVAL Add Item regarding the City Pin and National Night Out under other business. Motion by Jacobson, Seconded by Trude, to approve the Agenda as amended above. Motion carried unanimously. FUN FEST ORGANIZATIONAL MATTERS City Administrator Erar explained the City Council is requested to discuss whether the Fun Fest should continue. With the construction of the Community Center approaching, the Conunittee is concerned whether there will be enough room at the City Hall complex for all of the activities such as the carnival, community booths, car show, etc. Public Works and City Hall staff spend many hours planning the activities and assisting at the event. Some are volunteer hours and others the City compensates them for. One of the problems encountered over the years is the lack of volunteers from the community. This means that City staff has to do more of the planning and helping during the event. Several staff members have indicated they are only willing to help if they are compensated for their time. During a wrap up meeting of the committee two staff members indicated that they will not be volunteering as much time next year as in the past. The last several years the City has budgeted $4,000.00 to be used for the Fun Fest. City Clerk Volk explained they received another bill for $1,465.00 so their profit was $875.09. - -- -. - Special Andover City Council Meeting Minutes - July 29, 2003 Page 2 Councilmember Trude asked if the costs for Public Works were paid or were they allocations if they were to be paid. Mr. Frank Stone stated they have been paid. Mayor Gamache stated he understood that on some of the items City staffwill have to do some of the work, but how many could be done by volunteers. Mr. Stone stated he would like to talk to the Fun Fest Committee fIrst before making that decision. He would like to fmd out what they could handle. Councilmember Jacobson stated this would not be a good location to have a Fun Fest because of the construction going on, but maybe they could have Fun Fest across the road in the field if it did not ruin the fIelds. Mr. Stone stated it could, depending on it they have a wet year or not. Councilmember Trude stated there may not be a place for it. Motion by Jacobson, Seconded by Trude, not to have a Fun Fest in 2004 because of the construction and to have an open house after the Civic Center is opened. Councilmember Orttel arrived at 7:07 p.m. Councilmember Trude wondered when she looked at the allocation hours and time what is not getting done because the Fun Fest takes up a weeks time for City staffbefore the actual event. Mayor Gamache recapped the motion for CounciImember Orttel. Councilmember Trude stated she talked to Mr. Craig Kronholm regarding the opening of the Community Center and what she recalled was they were talking about early 2005, six or seven months after the opening of the ice arena. She asked Mr. Kronholm what he thought it would be for a time schedule. Mr. Kronholm stated at that point and time, the field house shoÜld be done and the only area cordoned off would be the aquatic center. They will try to get the site work done as soon as they can in the spring or early summer. Councilmember Trude stated the YMCA indicated the sooner the better in trying to get memberships. Mr. Kronholm stated they will try to get everything done as soon as they can in the spring to eliminate the mud. Councilmember Orttel asked what the reasoning was of not having Fun Fest. Councilmember Jacobson explained why they should not have it next year because of the space. Mayor Gamache stated when they have used the City Hall field for Fun Fest the fields have not been damaged. Mr. Stone stated if they have a wet year, they could have problems. Mr. Erar asked if there are tournaments going on at those fields. Mr. Stone stated there were tournaments there this year. Mayor Gamache stated they could work with the Athletic Departments on what dates would not be available so they could have Fun Fest. Councilmember Orttel stated his concern is it has taken a long time to get the momentum going for Special Andover City Council Meeting Minutes - July 29, 2003 Page 3 the Fun Fest and he is worried they will lose it. He asked when they will have access to the Slyzuk property. Mr. Erar stated the problem is the land is landlocked and there is no access to it except ITom the Public Works Department. Councilmember Orttel stated he hated to cancel this but they should bring this to the Fun Fest Committee. Someone from the Fun Fest Committee stated if they do not have the Fun Fest, they will lose the vendors and carnival. Mayor Gamache stated they could wait and decide later in the year whether they should have the Fun Fest or not. Ms. Volk stated they could not wait because they need to book the carnival now. Mr. Erar stated they could check to see if a community church would allow them to use their parking lot for a carnival for next year. Ms. V olk stated Constance Free Church will be under construction and the other only church would be Prairie Oak. Another member of the Fun Fest Committee asked if they could use the High School. Mr. Erar stated that could be a possibility and he could ask Mf. Durand if that would be possible. Discussion continued in regard to options of where the Fun Fest could be. Mr. Erar stated they are not making any kind of recommendation but would like the City Council's opinion. Councilmember Orttel stated he thought they should keep the Fun Fest going. Mr. Stone stated there were security issues with the storage area this past year and if this were to continue, he would need to have this area secured. Ms. Volk stated they also need to have places for the carnival workers to live for those few days. Mr. Erar stated the Council is aware of the budget challenges the City will have in 2004, and asked if there would be any consideration because the Fun Fest is somewhat at the break even point, to try to encourage additional contributions by the community. Mayor Gamache stated he would like to see that. Councilmember Jacobson stated they need to take into consideration that they are trying to raise money for the Civic Center. Ms. Volk stated they have $20,000 in reserve in the Fun Fest account and that would be enough for one more year. Councilmember Trude asked for some input &om the Co-Chair regarding the time the City Staffhas put into the Fun Fest. The Co-Chair of the Fun Fest Committee stated they did discuss this and came to the conclusion that some of the stuffis already done by the City staff such as cutting the grass and this past year, the Committee has taken on more responsibility. Another member stated the City does need to do some of the work because it builds morale and benefits the City. Mr. Stone stated the Special Andover City Council Meeting Minutes - July 29, 2003 Page 4 report was not put together to show the problems; it shows the costs. The Fun Fest Committee explained the community enjoys the Fun Fest and they did not think it would be easy to bring it back after one year because a lot of the people on the committee would not do it again. Councilmember Orttel stated it seems that different groups seem to be ideal in getting involved in this but they do not want to be. Councilmember Trude stated her son is in the Scouts and they would rather clean up than help with the Fun Fest but maybe they would be willing to help out by cleaning up at the Fun Fest instead of working it in other ways. Mayor Gamache stated he appreciated the dedication the Fun Fest Committee has. Councilmember Trude stated she was going to withdraw her second because of all the support of continuing this. Councilmember Trude stated another question is if they can afford this. She explained another thing to think about is having the volunteer time be used for service hours for teens in high school. Mayor Gamache stated he supported this and the motion died for lack of a second. Councilmember Jacobson asked when this would be brought back for a decision. Mr. Erar stated it could be brought back at the end of September for the next Council workshop. COMMUNITY CENTER PROJECT UPDATE City Administrator Erar explained several schematic design and site development issues have emerged since the last Community Center Project update presented to Council on June 24, 2003. Mr. Ted Rozeboom explained the upper level is actually a full second level; the Mezzanioe is located between the ice arena and field house. Locker rooms will be below the sleeve of space to accommodate both the hockey arena and field house. Mr. Rozeboom discussed the Mezzanioe area with the Council. Councilmember Trude asked what the price would be for that space. Mr. Rozeboom thought it was $200,000 to $300,000. Councilmember Trude stated this was discussed at the Stakeholders meeting. Mr. Rozeboom stated it also does something else; it blends the YMCA with the City's functions as best they can without making it difficult to manage and it presents an opportunity that allows viewing and site lines. It makes the upper level more enjoyable. Councilmember Jacobson asked if there would be windows for the space to view the ice arena and field house. Mr. Rozeboom stated there would be windows. Special Andover City Council Meeting Minutes - July 29, 2003 Page 5 Councilmember Trude asked how the YMCA members would get up to the second level. Mr. Rozeboom stated it is a key issue in getting the upper and lower levels to work together. Mr. Rozeboom discussed the Aquatic Center with the Council. Mr. Erar stated the issue of the aquatic center is to have an indoor water slide. The issue is whether Council would consider a possible joint venture with the YMCA to expand the aquatic center by 2,000 square feet and exploring the addition of two additional water slides. The YMCA had some concerns with an indoor water slide for the center but they were persuaded to move back to the original plan of an indoor water slide. He wondered if the Council would consider looking at ajoint venture with the YMCA for the aquatic center. Mr. Kronholm stated he has not put any figures together regarding the cost to do the additional water slides and space but he met with Mr. Glen?? at RoseviIle Miller and when he gets the layout they will put a budget number on it. His recommendation is to go ahead with the schematics and price it out and then they can discuss it further. There will be a separate price on it from the rest of the project. Mr. Erar stated the additional waterslides would benefit the revenue coming into the project. Mr. Dickinson stated with the base aquatic center, it does bring additional people in but it does not bring in enough to break even on it. He stated it does not increase the cost. Mr. Erar stated the cost benefit analysis is the benefit exceeds the cost of putting that structure in. Councilmember Jacobson asked why the YMCA would not want to do this if the revenue outweighs the cost. Mr. Erar stated it is because there is a cultural issue. Councilmember Trude stated they are ignoring their own study. Councilmember Orttel asked if they were only asked to share the risk and not the revenue, how would they share the revenue. Mr. Dickinson stated they would be able to track the revenue separately to determine what the income would be by giving out different color bands for the different slides. Mr. Erar stated there are ways to track the different uses of the civic center. Councilmember Trude stated one thing she wondered is if the City paid for part of the slides, would this allow the community to use the slides and not have to pay a YMCA monthly fee. Councilmember Jacobson stated his whole concern is they have already put a limit on what the Civic Center will cost and they should not go over that amount. Mr. Erar discussed the Elevated Track with the Council and explained that the YMCA decided not to have any elevated track and they would like to install a track along the outside of the field house. The Council indicated this would be ok. Mr. Erar discussed the HV AC System for Fieldhouse/Fitness!Common Areas with the Council. Special Andover City Council Meeting Minutes - July 29, 2003 Page 6 Mr. Kronholm explained the HV AC System for the Civic Center for the Council. He explained the size is 4200 square feet. Mayor Gamache stated they need to have something that is easier to maintain. Mr. Rozeboom stated they have three major mechanical rooms in the building, all on second level. Councilmember Jacobson asked if something were to happen over time, would they need to remove the roofto take the unit out to replace it.. Mr. Kronholm stated there is normally a louver that they can remove to access the unit. Councilmember Jacobson stated he would prefer to have the units inside. Mr. Rozeboom explained the seating for the ice arena and the elevator issues. Mr. Erar stated the top loading of the ice arena is a very necessary item. Mr. Rozeboom discussed the changes to the lobby area for the Fieldhouse with the Council. Councilmember Jacobson asked if someone could sit in the west lounge area and look into the aquatics center. Mr. Rozeboom stated they could. Councilmember Trude asked where the viewing areas would be. Mr. Rozeboom described in the layout where the viewing areas would be. Mr. Erar discussed the enlarged Fieldhouse floor space for spectator seating with the Council. The Council discussed the issue of using the track and the courts at the same time and which would take precedence. Mr. Erar discussed the ball field relocation plan with the Council. Councilmember Jacobson asked why they would eliminate two fields and not just one. Mr. Erar stated the second field would displace the BBQ pits and large trees. This is also heavily used and a trail is running through there. The Stakeholder Design Committee (SDC) felt they would like to preserve this area. Motion by Jacobson, Seconded by Orttel to reaffirm the SDC recommendation on this item. Motion carried unanimously. Mr. Erar discussed facility business, operations and staffmg plans with the Council. Councilmember Jacobson stated the original proforma had four full time workers for the entire facility not including the aquatics center. Mr. Erar stated they would try to staff the civic center in the most efficient way. Mr. Erar stated he thought they would not want to hire in-house custodial service; they could contract this out. Special Andover City Council Meeting Minutes - July 29, 2003 Page 7 Mayor Gamache stated they will need a strong Ice Arena manager to handle all of the ice time scheduling. Councilmember Trude asked if the person would need to go to all the department meetings. There would not be enough time to do everything. She stated most cities have a management contract which would get away from the City employing the person. Mr. Erar stated with all of the responsibilities they have he did not think the City would want to contract this job out. Mr. Erar discussed the advisory board concept with the Council. Councilmember Orttel stated he had some concerns regarding this because early on they talked about a board that ran it for profit and not as part of the City. Mr. Erar stated they could still incorporate it as a self-sustaining business. Councilmember Jacobson stated he would want this run as a business. Mr. Erar stated they would need to have some organizational oversight ITom the City because the City will be liable for everything that happens. Mr. Erar stated the staff could handle the booking of ice time in the interim until the building is open and the ice arena manager is hired, which could be a month or two before the Community Center is open. Mr. Dave Assmus asked about the operational plan because the question has come up as to how the center will be operated and he needs to know what the timeline is for making a decision. Councilmember Trude asked what Mr. Dave Assmus was hearing. Mr. Tony Howard stated businesses want to see the light at the end of the tunnel because they are giving a gift and also paying taxes for the Civic Center and they want to feel like they are getting something back for their donation. Mr. Erar stated this could serve as a general outline that could be used to promote the fact that this facility will be run as a self-sustaining business model. PRIVATE VS. PUBLIC INSTALLATION OF CITY INFRASTRUCTURE City Engineer Berkowitz explained one of the Council's 2002 goals was to review the present City policy requiring all public facility improvements in new urban developments be contracted for and installed under a City contract. At the February 26, 2003 Special City Council meeting the City Council directed staff to look at all the changes needed to allow private developers to install their own streets and utilities. Provided the City Council agreed with these, then there would be a test period for three years starting in the 2004 construction season. The process will be evaluated in 2006. The City Council directed staff to modifY the current process to allow developers to hire their own contractors to build the streets and utilities in future new urban developments. The direction was for the City to retain the engineering/design and inspection of the improvements yet allow the developer Special Andover City Council Meeting Minutes - July 29, 2003 Page 8 to hire a contractor and pay the contractor directly for the construction costs of the improvements. The developers feel this will speed up the timing for construction due to the fact that the project would not be publicly bid, shortening the process by a month or more. Staff has been working on the proposed privately installed street and utility process for the past several months. Modifications to the Development Contract will be required. A third item the City should have in place is a set of City Standard Specifications that cover virtually all projects and situations regarding construction improvements. The standard specification at this time has not been put together. All the information is available, but it is not compiled. This will consist of gathering all of the City's specifications and putting them in one document that can be handed out to developers and contractors for all street and utility projects. The next step in this process would be to meet with developers to review the proposed changes and receive their comments and input. After this is completed, the [mal policy will be brought back to the City Council for approval. Councilmember Orttel asked if this was specific enough to go out in the situation they are looking at. Mr. Berkowitz stated for the spec. it would be and they would have another small document that would cover anything that is not covered in the standard spec, which would be project specific. Councilmember Jacobson explained some issues he had with this regarding plans and contracts for the City infi-astructure. Mr. Berkowitz stated in his discussions with the developers, they would be able to do the engineering. This is a draft which staff would like to bring to the developers. Councilmember Orttel stated if the developers do the engineering, the City would still review the projects and lose time so why make this public. Discussion ensued regarding the pros and cons of having a contractor install the City infi-astructure. Mayor Gamache asked if they did not do the engineering, they would still have to take the time to go through the detail plans for review. Mr. Berkowitz stated that was true. Mr. Mike Quigley stated a set of design standards need to be in place and the developer needs to conform to that. Councilmember Jacobson asked Mr. Quigley what his opinion was on the contract and would they be saving any money. Mr. Quigley stated he reviewed the contract and he did not think they would be saving any money but it would save on some time. Consensus of the Council was item one wording would need to be changed. Special Andover City Council Meeting Minutes - July 29, 2003 Page 9 Mr. Berkowitz explained under item nine, the City would require a two year warranty bond for developers to ensure security against failures and that is not related to the difference in process, this is related to all public and private process. They are seriously looking at a two-year warranty for all proj ects. 2020 MUSA STAGING PLAN - 2003/04 COUNCIL GOAL Community Development Director Neumeister explained a high priority goal identified for 2003/04 was reviewing the staging plan. The current staging plan was put together about four years ago and was probably developed based on interest being shown ITom the property owners in developing their property. Councilmember Jacobson stated what is driving this is paying for the sewer and water system and asked how we stand on this if it was not all developed. Mr. Dickinson stated if there was no development there will be a small percentage increase in water rights for the years in the future. If they do not have the development, you still have to pay for the debt on the in&astructure put into place. If one increases, it has an affect on the other. Mr. Erar stated they will identify areas within that area and identify how the areas will get served. The buildout of this plan is based on the buildout of the community. Councilmember Jacobson asked if they slowed development, what effect that would that have on the cost and how would they pay for the bonds for the infi-astructure in the ground and would they be encouraging development because they need the revenue to pay for the bonds for the infi-astructure they already have. Mr. Neumeister explained market forces drive what occurs out there. In this case, there are limited amounts of land that are ready to go. Mr. Dickinson stated they planned on 200 new units per year to accommodate the water rate structure. If they do not reach the water rates projected they will have to raise the water rates more than the three percent projected. Discussion continued in regard to the MUSA staging plan. Mr. Winslow Holasek, 1159 Andover Boulevard, stated when the City set up the 2000-2005, this was something staff did for staging. He shares the same concerns that others do in the City. The lots around his house are pretty large and he does know of anyone who wants to develop. Mr. Neumeister stated there are some who are interested in developing. Mr. Holasek asked how many people wanted to develop. Mr. Neumeister stated they had a neighborhood meeting with about fifteen owners and about half of those wanted to develop and they were told they would need to petition the City to get the utilities brought to their properties. Mr. Neumeister recapped the staging plan for the people in the audience. Councilmember Orttel asked how many years it would take to pay off the water treatment plant. Mr. Dickinson stated the bond was for twenty years. Special Andover City Council Meeting Minutes - July 29, 2003 Page 10 Mr. Erar summarized the report and asked if they should go back and revisit the staging plan and provide the Council with a staging plan that fits with the current reality of orderly growth within the Community. Councilmember Orttel stated in the short term, until they are ten years out, this will have a huge impact if they do not meet their goals. Council consensus was to change the MUSA plan to allow people who are ready to develop to do that and give others more time to get ready to develop. Mr. Erar stated they would bring this item back in the next thirty to sixty days to review this again. CONSIDER/SCHEDULE JOINT COUNCIL MEETING/COUNTY TRANSPORTATION POLICIES City Administrator Erar explained that City staff recently met with Doug Fischer, Anoka County Engineer to discuss a number of issues relating to City-County communication, county projects, County Highway Department review of City plats and a desire to further discuss certain County transportation policies. Consensus by the Commission was to have ajoint Council meeting for either August 26,2003 or September 30, 2003. DEVELOPMENT PROPOSAl/KUIKEN PROPERTY Community Development Director Neumeister introduced Mr. John ArkeIl and Joel Larson from Select Companies who presented a concept plan of a rural residential development that would have a cornmunal sewer system, Mr. Neumeister explained that before they go any further with design or soil borings, they would like to know what the Council thinks about the concept. They have had experience in doing this type of development in Lake Elmo and would like Council input regarding the same thing in rural Andover. Mr. Arkell stated they have a parcel that is 300 acres with only 100 acres buildable, leaving the 200 acres not buildable for community activities. He explained the City's rural density would allow 120 units at two and a half acres and they are asking for more than 120 units because they will work with the City's fInance people and show them what they make on a unit and take the profit and build the activity area. He stated it is the Council that is making it happen by allowing a greater density than they normally would. Mr. Arkell stated one of the other main things to deal with is the decentralized water treatment system and they are hoping they can draw the City water to this site. Mr. Joel Larson stated he lives in a development that has a communal septic system and it has worked out great. Special Andover City Council Meeting Minutes - July 29, 2003 Page 11 Councilmember Jacobson asked if the soil in the area is adequate for development. Mr. Almgren stated there are areas with peat and highland. Mr. Arkell stated they were lucky to spend some time with the owners and they showed some areas that are uplands which were not taken into consideration previously. He stated this is preliminary. Mr. Erar stated a communal system is not new to Andover, the Rum River School has one. Mr. Almgren stated the Rum River School was designed for something like this. Councilmember Orttel stated there are rural areas that have started developing these. Mr. Dickinson stated in Big Lake he has been involved in getting this to where they are today and a lot has to do with Connexus being involved. Mr. Berkowitz stated the technology has improved. Mr. Erar stated the MPCA regulates and licenses these and they go through a process and a proven technology. There are still a lot of questions that need to be discussed. The density levels are at 2.3 acres per home. Councilmember Jacobson stated the density would be R-4 size. Mr. Erar stated the prices of single-family houses would be between $350,000 to $600,000. He stated these would mostly be single family and town homes with two unit designs in the $200,000 range. Mr. Arkell stated their twin homes are almost one hundred percent senior. Mr. Erar stated there are no rental units. Mr. Arkell stated their choice of homes is single family but they are trying to get the count up because of the lack of buildable area. Mr. Neumeister stated they would need to tweak some of the zoning ordinance regulations to make it work and there are a number of challenges on the zoning, sewer, where it would go, the acceptance of a communal septic system in the City, and the acceptance of a possible PUD in the area, which has not been done before. He stated that if it is done to the standards they are talking about and there would be no repercussions back to the City, there would be a lot of gains. Mr. Erar asked if the Council would be interested in a communal sewer system. Councilmember Orttel asked how they would know if this would be good for the City. Mr. Erar stated there is a person that could come and give a presentation to the Council regarding this and they would not be setting a precedent because a system is already in use in the City. Councilmember Jacobson stated he talked to the people at Connexus and they know these people and he was told they are reputable. The technology is there, it is the matter of the cost and suitability of the soil and it is more of a political question than a technical question. His concern would be the density and the mix of single family and townhomes. Mr. Erar asked if there was interest in the Council to have additional information brought before them. Council consensus was to get additional information brought back to them. Councilmember Orttel stated he thought this would be a great project because he could see it used in other areas around the City. Special Andover City Council Meeting Minutes - July 29, 2003 Page 12 Councilmember Jacobson expressed for the record he has a conflict of interest regarding this issue because Connexus is involved in these types of systems and he has a relationship with Connexus. Councilmember Trude stated there were some trenching and ditching systems and she wondered if there would be sewer smell with this. Mr. Erar stated they went to see the development in Lake Elmo and there was not any sewer small. Mr. Berkowitz stated the only time they would smell anything would be when the tank would be emptied. Mr. Erar stated with this type of system, they would save money because they would not need to run sewer lines and they would save on the cost of infrastructure being installed. Councilmember Orttel stated it is a fairly low cost to run water to areas. OTHER BUSINESS ITEMS . City Pin - Logo Mr. Neumeister showed the Council ideas for the City pin logos. Council consensus was to pick the white background with green lettering in the quantity of 500 to start with in [me enamel. . National Night Out Councilmember Jacobson asked how they are going to work this out because there are twenty parties. Mr. Erar stated they would meet at City Hall and take a couple of cars and designate what parties each vehicle would go to. He stated Ms. Landes signed up twenty-two parties this year. Mayor Gamache stated that was wonderful. Mr. Erar stated they would meet at the City Hall at 6:00 p.m. on Tuesday, August 5, 2003. Mr. Neumeister stated if they wanted to try to partner up with the police or fire, they could try to put them in their cars to go to the parties. Mayor Gamache stated this would be a good idea. ADJOURNMENT Motion by Trude, Seconded by Orttel, to adjoum. Motion carried unanimously. The meeting adjourned at 11:28 p.m. Respectfully submitted, Susan Osbeck, Recording Secretary