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HomeMy WebLinkAboutCC December 16, 2003 C I T Y 0 F NDOVE 1685 CROSSTOWN BOULEVARD N.W. . ANDOVER, MINNESOTA 55304 . (763) 755-5100 FAX (763) 755-8923 . WWW.CI.ANDOVER.MN.US Regular City Council Meeting - Tuesday, December 16,2003 Call to Order - Pledge of Allegiance Resident Forum Agenda Approval I. Approval of Minutes (11/25103 Special; 12101103 Special; 12/02/03 Regular; 12/09/03 Special) Consent Items 2. Approve Payment of Claims - Finance 3. Approve Transfers and Closing of Funds - Finance 4. Approve Resolution/Scheduled Debt not Levied for 2004 - Finance 5. Approve 2004 Anoka County Sheriff Contract - Finance 6. Accept Feasibility Report/Waive Public Hearingl03-36116150 Crosstown Boulevard NW (Constance Free Church)/WM - Engineering 7. Accept Petition/Order Feasibility Report/03-38114545 Round Lake Boulevard NW/SS - Engineering 8. Approve Consultant/04-112004 Sewer Study East of Hanson Boulevard NW - Engineering 9. Accept Petition/02-46IFire Station #3 (15929 Crosstown Boulevard NW) - Engineering 10. Accept Petition/Order Feasibility Report/03-37/Donohue Creekside Addition - Engineering II. Approve Preliminary PlatIDonohue Creekside Addition/2733 Bunker Lake Blvd.NW - Planning 12. Approve Final Plat/ Donohue Creekside Addition/2733 Bunker Lake Blvd. NW - Planning 13. Approve Final Plat/The Village at Andover Station/Bruggeman Properties - Planning 14. Approve Final PlatlBunker Lake Village/139th and Hanson Blvd. - Planning 15. Approve Lot SplitlKen SlyzuklNightingale St. and Crosstown Blvd. -Planning 16. Approve Conditional Use PermitlPreschool & Time Extension Temporary ClassroomslFamily of Christ Churchll6045 Nightingale Street NW - Planning 17. Approve 2004 Licenses - Clerk 18. Adopt Amendment to 2004 Fee OrdinancelFire Dept. & Building Dept. Fees - Fire 19. Approve Cost of Living Adjustment for Non-represented Employees - Administration 20. Approve Health Renewal and Employer Contribution - Administration 21. Approve Collective Bargaining AgreementlPublic Works - Administration 22. Approve Appointment Recommendation-Building Department - Administration 23. Approve Community Center Capital Campaign Policy and Consultant Agreement - Administration Discnssion Items 24. Receive Anoka County Sheriff s Department Monthly Report - Sheriff 25. Public Hearingl2004-08 Capital Improvement Plan - Finance 26. Adopt City of Andover 2004 Budget & Certify 2004 Property Tax Levy - Finance 27. Award Bond Sale/2003 Equipment Notes Series C - Finance 28. Consider Conditional Use Permit/Church in a Residential District/2880 S. Coon Creek Dr. - Planning 29. Consider Lot Split/16150 Makah Street NW -Planning Staff Item 30. Discuss 2030 FrameworklMetropolitan Council Planning Document - Planning 31. Discuss 2004 CDBG Application - Planning 32. Acknowledge Meth Lab Ordinance (Supplemental) . Administration Mayor/Conncil Inpnt Adjournment , . REGULAR ANDOVER CITY COUNCIL MEETING MINUTES - DECEMBER 16, 2003 TABLE OF CONTENTS PLEDGE OF ALLEGIENCE .....................................................................................................1 RESIDENT FORUM..................................................................................................................1 AGENDA APPROV AL .............................................................................................................2 APPROVAL OF MlNUTES.......................................................................................................2 CONSENT ITEMS Approve Payment of Claims.................................................................................................3 Approve Transfers and Closing Funds .........._......................................................................3 Resolution R222-03 approving Resolution/Scheduled Debt not Levied for 2004 ...............3 Approve 2004 Anoka County Sheriff Contract ....................................................................3 Resolution R223·03 accepting Feasibility ReportlWaive Public HearinglO3-36/16150 Crosstown Boulevard NW (Constance Free Church)1WM .............................................3 Resolution R224-03 accepting Petition/Order Feasibility Reportl03-38/14545 Round Lake Boulevard NW/SS ......................................................................................3 Resolution R225-03 accepting Petition/02-46IFire Station #3 (15929 Crosstown Boulevard NW) ................................................................................................................3 Resolution R226-03 accepting Petition/Order Feasibility Reportl03-37/Donohue Creekside Addition ..........................................................................................................3 Resolution R227-03 approving Preliminary PlatIDonohue Creekside Addition/2733 Bunker Lake Boulevard NW ...........................................................................................3 Resolution R228-03 approving Final PlatIDonohue Addition/2733 Bunker Lake Boulevard NW .................................................................................................................3 Resolution R229-03 approving Final PlatIBunker Lake ViIlage/139th and Hanson Boulevard.........................................................................................................................3 Resolution R230-03 approving Lot SplitlKen SlyzuklNightingale Street and Crosstown Boulevard.........................................................................................................................3 Approve 2004 Licenses ........................................................................................................3 Adopt Amendment to 2004 Fee OrdinancelFire Department and Building Department F ees- Fire ..... ...... .................. ............ ........ ........... .................. ............................. ..... ..... .....3 Resolution R231-03 approving Cost of Living Adjustment for Non-Represented Employees........................................................................................................................3 Approve Health Renewal and Employer Contribution ........................................................4 Approve Collective Bargaining Agreement/Public Works...................................................4 Approve Appointment Recommendation-Building Department..........................................4 Approve Community Center Capital Campaign Policy and Consultant Agreement............4 RECEIVE ANOKA COUNTY SHERIFF DEPARTMENT MONTHLY REPORT Received ................................................................................................................................4 APPROVE CONSULTANT/04-1I2004 SEWER STUDY EAST OF HANSON BOULEVARD NW Motion to Authorize ..............................................................................................................4 APPROVE FINAL PLA TITHE VILLAGE AT ANDOVER ST A TIONIBRUGGEMAN PROPERTIES -. Regular Andover City Council Meeting Minutes - December 16, 2003 Table of Contents Page ii Resolution to adopt (R232-03) ..............................................................................................5 APPROVE CONDITIONAL USE PERMlTIPRESCHOOL & TIME EXTENSION TEMPORARY CLASSROOMSIFAMlL Y OF CHRIST CHURCHlI6045 NIGHTINGALE STREET NW Resolution to approve (R233-03) ..........................................................................................6 PUBLIC HEARlNG/2004-0& CAPITAL IMPROVEMENT PLAN Motion to Op';Ú public hearing...............................................................................................7 Motion to close public hearing .............................................................................................. 7 Resolution to adopt (R234-03) .............................................................................................. 7 Motion to approve the ClP.......:.............................................................................................8 Resolution to approve (R235-03) ..........................................................................................8 ADOPT CITY OF ANDOVER 2004 BUDGET & CERTIFY 2004 PROPERTY TAX LEVY Resolution to approve (R236-03) ..........................................................................................8 AWARD BOND SALE/20OJ EQUIPMENT NOTES SERIES C Resolution to Approve (R237-03) .........................................................................................9 Motion to approve sale ..........................................................................................................9 CONSIDER CONDITIONAL USE PERMIT/CHURCH IN RESIDENTIAL DISTRlCT/ 2880 S. COON CREEK DRIVE Resolution to approve (R238-03) ..........................................................................................10 CONSIDER LOT SPLIT/16150 MAKAR STREET NW Resolution to approve (R239-03) ..........................................................................................13 DISCUSS 2030 FRAMEWORKJMETROPOLITAN COUNCIL PLANNING DOCUMENT 15 DISCUSS 2004 CDBG APPLlCA TION ....................................................................................16 ACKNOWLEDGE METH LAB ORDINANCE........................................................................17 MA YORlCOUNCIL INPUT Happy Holidays .....................................................................................................................18 County Meeting .....................................................................................................................18 Letter Regarding Community Center Reductions..................................................................19 December 9, 2003 Special City Council Meeting Minutes ...................................................19 ADJOURNMENT .................................................................................................................20 .. C IT Y o F NDOVE 1685 CROSSTOWN BOULEVARD N.W. . ANDOVER, MINNESOTA 55304 . (763) 755-5100 FAX (763) 755-8923 . WWW.CI.ANDOVER.MN.US REGULAR ANDOVER CITY COUNCIL MEETING - DECEMBER 16, 2003 MINUTES The Regular Bi-Monthly Meeting of the Andover City Council was called to order by Mayor Mike Gamache, December 16, 2003, 7 :00 p.m., at the Andover City Hall, 1685 Crosstown Boulevard NW, Andover, Minnesota. Councilmembers present: Don Jacobson, Mike Knight, Ken Orttel, Julie Trude Councilmember absent: None Also present: City Attorney, William Hawkins City Engineer, Dave Berkowitz City Finance Director, Jim Dickinson Community Development Director, Will Neumeister City Administrator, John Erar Others PLEDGE OF ALLEGIANCE RESIDENT FORUM Mr. Winslow Holasek - 1159 Andover Boulevard, explained the item he is here for is on the agenda but it is on the consent agenda. He explained on Item 8, because most of the property lies within the study area and because of several major problems they have had in the past with the engineering firm ofTKDA, he is concerned with the hiring ofTKDA for this project. Some of the things that took place, were that there were two storm sewer projects originally proposed and the Hanson project was dropped for reasons unknown and this ended up overloading the system. He stated the engineering fees for the storm sewer project were $30,000 and then doubled overnight to $62,000. There was a disagreement between the developer and the City. Mr. Holasek explained to the City Council the history of this. He stated that because he was concerned, he met with Mr. Berkowitz and expressed his concerns. He explained there is no trunk to the east except at Yellow Pine. He had these concerns and discussed them with City Staff. The bid for TKDA is one third of the price of the other fIrm and he could not see how there could be that much of a discrepancy. He asked the City Council to carefully review this item before authorizing this. Councilmember. Knight asked if they were going to be looking at the sewer going through his property. Mr. Holasek stated this was true and basically the stub that is left deep is in the middle of his farming property. He expected the property he owns will eventually develop. He has concerns ~- ,_. - - Regular Andover City Council Meeting Minutes - December 16, 2003 Page 2 that they will still want to take the sewer off of 150th. Mayor Gamache asked if they could move this to discussion items so it could be discussed further. Mr. Holasek stated that would be fme. AGENDA APPROVAL Remove from Consent Items for discussion Items 8, (Approve Consultantl04-1I2004 Sewer Study East of Hanson Boulevard NW); Item 13 (Approve Final PlatlThe Village at Andover Station/Bruggeman Properties) and Item 16, (Approve Conditional Use PermitIPreschool & Time Extension Temporary ClassroomslFamily of Christ Church/16045 Nightingale Street NW). Councilmember Knight stated on Item 22, it did not state the range information and he would like to have that information. Councilmember Trude asked if they could have this emailed to them. Ms. Dana Pietso, Human Resources Manager, stated she could do this. Councilmember Knight asked why they could not give the range out in public. Mr. Erar stated they normally do not give the starting range but if the Council would like to have it public, they could do this. Ms. Dana Pietso stated this person has 21 years experience so they are bringing this person in at step level three which is $36,793.00. It is above the bottom of the range but not at the top of the. range and a savings for them. Councilmember Trude asked if any of the conditions of Item 16 were going to be changed. Councilmember Jacobson stated he wanted to change one word. Motion by Knight, Seconded by Trude, to approve the Agenda as amended above. Motion carried unanimously. APPRO V AL OF MINUTES November 25, 2003, Special Meeting: Correct as written. Motion by Jacobson, seconded by Trude, approval of Minutes as indicated above. Motion carried unanimously. December 1, 2003, Special Meeting: Correct as written. December 2, 2003, Regular Meeting: Correct as written It was noted some of the Councilmembers did not receive the above minutes so Mayor Gamache moved them to the January 6, 2004 meeting for approval. - Regular Andover City Council Meeting Minutes - December 16, 2003 Page 3 December 9, 2003, Special Meeting: Correct as amended Councilmember Trude stated it was a special council meeting but it was not an emergency. She stated there was something missed and it showed the meeting adjourned at 7:30 p.m., Mr. Wayne left at 7:30 p.m. and after that one of the Capital Campaign people brought up an issue they discussed and the meeting actually adjourned at 7:42 p.m. and the motion to adjourn was made by CounciImember Orttel and seconded by her. Councilmember Trude wanted to add a paragraph to the minutes "The concessions area within the Community Center was discussed as an opportunity for outside vendors. The Council authorized the Capital Campaign to seek RFP's to seek bids to determine if the proforma could be met using outside vendors. This was seen as a way to limit the City's risk in operating food service and potentially reduce construction costs of outfitting the space." Motion by Trude, Seconded by Orttel, approval of Minutes as indicated above. Motion carried unanimously. CONSENT ITEMS Item 2 Approval of Claims Item 3 Approve Transfers and Closing of Funds Item 4 Approve Resolution/Scheduled Debt not Levied for 2004 (See Resolution R222-03) Item 5 Approve 2004 Anoka County Sheriff Contract Item 6 Accept Feasibility ReportIW aive Public Hearingl03-36/16150 Crosstown Boulevard NW (Constance Free Church)1WM (See Resolution R223-03) Item 7 Accept Petition/Order Feasibility Reportl03-38/14545 Round Lake Boulevard NW/SS (See Resolution R224-03) Item 9 Accept Petition/02-46/Fire Station #3 (15929 Crosstown Boulevard NW) (See Resolution R225-03) Item 10 Accept Petition/Order Feasibility Reportl03-37/Donohue Creekside Addition (See Resolution R226-03) Item 11 Approve Preliminary PlatIDonohue Creekside AdditÌon/2733 Bunker Lake Blvd. NW (See Resolution R227-03) Item 12 Approve Final PlatIDonohue Creekside Addition/2733 Bunker Lake Blvd. NW (See Resolution R22S·03) Item 14 Approve Final PlatlBunker Lake Village/139th and Hanson Boulevard (See Resolution R229-03) Item 15 Approve Lot Split/Ken SlyzuklNightingale St. and Crosstown Blvd. (See Resolution R230-03) Item 17 Approve 2004 Licenses Item IS Adopt Amendment to 2004 Fee Ordinance/Fire Dept. & Building Dept. Fees - Fire Item 19 Approve Cost of Living Adjustment for Non-Represented Employees (See Regular Andover City Council Meeting Minutes - December 16, 2003 Page 4 Resolution R231-03) Item 20 Approve Health Renewal and Employer Contribution Item 21 Approve Collective Bargaining AgreementlPublic Works Item 22 Approve Appointment Recommendation - Building DepartmentlPatty Boysen Item 23 Approve Community Center Capital Campaign Policy and Consultant Agreement Motion by Knight, Seconded by Trude, approval of the Consent Agenda as read. Motion carried unanimously. RECEIVE ANOKA COUNTY SHERiFF DEPARTMENT MONTHLY REPORT Sargent Shelly Orlando, Anoka County Sheriffs Department, provided an update on law enforcement activities occurring within Andover. Councilmember Jacobson asked if they have had any snowmobiling complaints from residents. Sergeant Orlando stated she was not aware of any complaints. APPROVE CONSULTANT/04-1/2004 SEWER STUDY EAST OF HANSON BOULEVARD NW City Engineer Berkowitz explained at the November 6,2003 Special Council Workshop the City Council authorized staff to solicit proposals to update the 1999 Sanitary Sewer Rate Study by evaluating the trunk sanitary sewer lines east of Hanson Boulevard NW. Mr. Berkowitz explained proposals have been submitted from TKDA and WSB. Both proposals met the requirements set forth by the City. TKDA's cost to conduct the Sewer Study is substantially lower than WSB. TKDA's professional services would be based on an hourly rate, not to exceed $9,100.00. Due to the past experience working with TKDA and their involvement working with the City since the 1970's, staff recommends that TKDA be appointed to provide consulting engineering services for the 2004 Sewer Study East of Hanson Boulevard NW. Mayor Gamache asked if they have used TKDA since the issue. Mr. Berkowitz stated they have used them every year. This year they used them for the design on Woodland Estates 4th Addition. Councilmember Orttel asked what type of reason there would be for the price difference. Mr. Berkowitz stated based on the conversation they had with the project manager at TKDA, they felt comfortable that they have accumulated enough information over the years to feel comfortable with what they have to formulate into a report and analyze these locations they are looking at. Councilmember Trude asked if there was a risk seeing that these are the same projects that Mr. Holasek had problems with. There may be a certain benefit to have another person look at the work they have done. She wondered if they should table this item until the next Council meeting to reflect on this and collect some more information. Mr. Berkowitz stated the people at TKDA Regular Andover City Council Meeting Minutes - December 16, 2003 Page 5 change over time and the project manager they are dealing with now was not involved in any of the projects Mr. Holasek is referring to. Councilmember Trude stated their personal work product may reflect some problems that they will continue to rely on. All the depth issues were in the original report. Councilmember Orttel wondered if they were acting entirely independently when they made some of the decisions. They were fairly major planning decisions back then. He wondered how that would get that way without the City agreeing to it. Councilmember Trude stated she is a little concerned with the $62,000 engineering fee on a $100,000 project. She wanted their fees to be looked at. Councilmember Orttel stated this did not guarantee them any jobs. Councilmember Jacobson stated with the concern Mr. Holasek has brought up, with their City Engineer knowing what is going on and the change in staff at TKDA, he thought there was enough policing on the project to make sure it is done right. Councilmember Orttel agreed. Mr. Berkowitz stated they appreciate any information Mr. Holasek provides and they will sit down with him through the process and review with him where they are to date. , Mr. Holasek felt there were such problems and he wanted to bring them to the Council's attention so they could avoid things like this in the future. Motion by Knight, seconded by Jacobson, to authorize the appointment ofTKDA Engineers, Architects & Planners to provide the engineering consulting services at a cost not to exceed $9,100.00 for Project 04-1, 2004 Sewer Study East of Hanson Boulevard NW. Motion carried unanimously. APPROVE FINAL PLATíIHE VILLAGE AT ANDOVER STATIONIBRUGGEMAN PROPERTIES Community Development Director Neumeister explained the City Council is asked to approve the [mal plat of the project to be known as "The Village at Andover Station". Staffhas found the plat to be in compliance with the preliminary plat of "The Village at Andover Station" and all applicable ordinances. Councilmember Trude stated she wanted to change some wording in Item 2 of the Resolution to read: "subject to the approval of the Association Covenants by the City Attorney." Councilmember Trude asked City Attorney Hawkins about escrowing for the landscaping that will be done by the Association as different units are sold off. City Attorney Hawkins stated this will be dealt with in the Development Contract with a specific line in there for landscaping and an escrow with the developer for those items. Councilmember Trude stated in this particular project there will be some improvements for a picnic area and that has to show up somewhere. Councilmember Jacobson stated it was in the Regular Andover City Council Meeting Minutes - December 16, 2003 Page 6 preliminary drawing. City Attorney Hawkins stated this would normally be in the Development Contract. Mr. Neumeister stated this was a condition as part of the pre!iminary plat approval and also a condition of the Association Documents being reviewed and approved. Motion by Trude, seconded by Orttel, to adopt the resolution approving the fmal plat of "The Village at Andover Station". Motion carried unanimously. (Resolution R232-03) APPROVE CONDITIONAL USE PERMITIPRESCHOOL & TIME EXTENSION TEMPORARY CLASSROOMSlFAMILY OF CHRIST CHURCH/16045 NIGHTINGALE STREET NW Community Deve!opment Director Neumeister stated expansion ofthe use of the church for a preschool requires an amendment to their existing conditional use permit. The existing temporary classrooms were to be removed this year as indicated in the attached Resolution R242- 99. Attached letters from the applicant provide details of the proposed preschool and justification for the requested extension of time allowed for the temporary classrooms. Mr. Neumeister stated staffhas inspected the property with the applicant and finds that with minor alterations the existing structure can be modified to meet building and fire code requirements for the preschool. The preschool will be open Monday through Friday and will not conflict with weekend church services. With a maximum of 40 children attending classes at any one time, the existing parking areas will be sufficient to satisfy parking needs. Councilmember Jacobson stated he wanted to change the wording in the Resolution. Under Item 4, it states they will be allowed to remain until November 2008. He suggested they take out the word "until" and insert the words "no longer than". He stated when they are temporary buildings they should be temporary and not there for forty years. Councilmember Trude asked what they were going to do with the schools because they will be installing portables behind the high school because they are at capacity. Councilmember Jacobson stated that is why there was a discussion on what is temporary and what is permanent. If it is temporary, it should not be there for twenty or thirty years. He stated the School Board has to think about that along with everyone else. Councilmember Trude stated this limited the condition more than what the Planning Commission had it at. Councilmember Knight stated his concern was with the term "classroom". This is what they have at the schools and they call them portables but they are the same thing. Councilmember Knight stated his concern is if they do this change with this item, they need to do the same with the School Board. Motion by Jacobson, seconded by Orttel, to approve the proposed preschool and time extension for the temporary classrooms subject to the conditions of the attached resolution with the change noted in the minutes. Motion carried unanimously. (Resolution R233-03) - Regular Andover City Council Meeting Minutes - December 16, 2003 Page 7 PUBLIC HEARlNG12004-08 CAPITAL IMPROVEMENT PLAN Finance Director Dickinson explained the City Council is requested to hold a Public Hearing to give the public the opportunity to comment on the proposed 2004-200S Capitallmprovement Plan (ClP). Mr. Dickinson explained the City of Andover is authorized to issue bonds to fmance certain capital improvements once a five-year capital improvement plan is adopted. A referendum on the question of issuing the bonds must be held if a petition requesting a vote on the issuance is signed by voters equal to five percent of the votes cast in the City in the last general election and is filed with the City clerk within 30 days after the public hearing. Mr. Dickinson stated the issuance of General Obligation Bonds to refmance the Public Works Facility would yield long-term debt service savings of approximately $lIS,OOO and General Obligation bonds will be the most economical financing method for the new fire station. Councilmember Orttel asked for clarification where the money is going. Mr. Dickinson explained in the document they outline where the expenditures are going and what funding sources would be there to pay for that to happen. Councilmember Orttel stated that the City is not spending the money, they are a conduit and the developers are paying the money. This shows up in the Capitallmprovement Plan because it becomes the City's infrastructure. He stated they are not spending taxpayers' money. Mr. Dickinson stated this was true. Motion by Jacobson, seconded by Orttel, to open the public hearing at 7:40 p.m. Motion carried unanimously. No one wished to address the Council. Motion by Knight, seconded by Orttel, to close the public hearing at 7:40 p.m. Motion carried unanimously. Mr. Dickinson stated the first item he requests the Council to approve is to adopt the Capital Improvement Plan. Motion by Orttel, Seconded by Jacobson, to adopt the attached resolution adopting the 2004-200S ClP. (Resolution R234-03) Councilmember Knight stated he is reluctant to approve a City Hall expansion even though it is for 2008 for 1 % Million because there has been no presentation or discussion and he understood it is four years out Mayor Gamache stated they are looking at 2004 immediately and what staffhas done is kept the City Hall expansion on the agenda in case a decision is made to move forward with it. Regular Andover City Council Meeting Minutes - December 16, 2003 Page 8 Councilmember Knight asked Mr. Dickinson to explain the Public Works purchase for the residents. Councilmember Trude stated regarding the City Hall expansion that she brought this up last year and it has never been discussed through the plan. She stated she has not seen the need for growth at the administration level. She stated it would be helpful to have a workshop to discuss additional years and they should look at their list carefully also. Mayor Gamache thought they should address this next year. Mr. Dickinson stated pages four and five of the introduction section cover the project development and final authorization of a particular project within the document. He stated that ifit is outlined in here, it is not the last time the City Council sees this. Mr_ Dickinson stated in the Capital Improvement Plan, there is information regarding the purchase of the Public Works Department building. The Public Works building is technically owned by the EDA. The City would be purchasing the building from the EDA, which funded it. Since 1997, when the bonds were issued for the construction of that building, the City has been levying and paying the EDA a lease payment. Now with favorable interest rates, and the Legislature changing how they look at Capital Improvement documents and how bonds can be issued, they can save significant dollars over the long term by issuing general obligation bonds. The City can purchase the building and get rid of the lease payment. Councilmember Trude stated another item they will be looking at is the building for the Fire Station. Mr. Dickinson stated Fire Station #3 is part of the 2004 improvement and will be coming back to the Council for final approval and authorization. Councilmember Trude stated the Community Center will be coming back to them in February when they see how the fundraising is going and at that time they hope to be going out for bids. Mr. Dickinson stated this is not something they would put in the CIP because it is not a City project; it would technically be an EDA project. Motion by Jacobson, seconded by Ortte!, to approve the CIP as presented. Motion carried unanimously. Motion by Jacobson, seconded by Trude, to approve the attached resolution calling for a public hearing on the issuance of capital improvement bonds for January 6, 2004. Motion carried unanimously. (Resolution R235-03) ADOPT CITY OF ANDOVER 2004 BUDGET & CERTIFY 2004 PROPERTY TAX LEVY Finance Director Dickinson explained each year the City Council is required by state law to adopt an annual budget and submit a property tax levy certification to Anoka County Property Records and Taxation Division. The deadline for submission this year is December 29th. Mr. Dickinson stated the 2004 Budget and Levy certification are the outcomes of budget workshops with the Council and numerous staff meetings. The overall City of Andover 2004 Budget proposes Regular Andover City Council Meeting Minutes - December 16, 2003 Page 9 total revenues of $38,172,746 and total expenditures of $42,422,869. The $4,250,123 of expenditures over revenues reflects a utilization of prior year bond issuances, debt service payments, public project financing through the Permanent Improvements Revolving (pIR) Fund and frugal reserve management by the City. Mr. Dickinson stated the 2004 budget proposed a total property tax levy of $6,78 1,700 of which, $5,600,917 is subject to the state imposed levy limitation of$5,600,917 and $1,180,783 is classified as a special levy for the payment of debt, the payment of bonds of another local unit of government and PERA employer contribution increases. The proposed tax levy reflects a declining City tax rate to 31.340% from 33.161% in 2003. Councilmember Jacobson asked what the actual increase is in what people pay. Mr. Dickinson stated he believed it was about 1.6%. Councilmember Jacobson stated this is far less than the cost of living. Mr. Dickinson stated for the most part the City portion of the total tax statement should have gone down. CounciImember Trude stated she had a couple of changes before this was fInalized. She stated there was a reference for the grant to the trail on Coon Creek and they are no longer doing this. There is also a reference to a use of franchise fees as a source of revenue and that is not happening. Councilmember Trude asked if the changes were incorporated from the Truth in Taxation Hearing. Mr. Dickinson stated it has been changed. CounciImember Trude asked if the Part Time Parks worker was transferred. Mr. Dickinson stated it was amended in the budget. Motion by Ortte!, Seconded by Trude, to approve the attached resolution that indicates a total 2004 property tax levy of$6, 781,700 to be submitted to the Anoka County Property Records and Taxation Division by December 29th and establishes the 2004 City of Andover Budget and to certify the levy. Councilmember Jacobson asked if this was the proper operating budget. Don't they have to certity this as written. Mr. Dickinson stated the levy is attached. Motion carried unanimously. (Resolution R236-OJ) A WARD BOND SALE/2003 EQUIPMENT NOTES SERIES C City Finance Director Dickinson explained the Andover City Council approved at the December 2, 2003 Council meeting a call for the sale of approximately $400,000 General Obligation Capital Equipment Notes to provide financing for the equipment purchases contemplated through the 2004 City of Andover annual budget process. Mr. Dickinson stated the Andover City Council as part of the 2004 Budget and Levy approved an Regular Andover City Council Meeting Minutes - December 16. 2003 Page 10 annual debt levy of $168,000 for General Obligation Equipment Notes for primarily Public Safety and Public Works purchases. The Finance Department negotiated a private placement of these bonds ($400,000) with a local bank, saving substantial issuance costs. Ehlers & Associates has provided the negotiated debt service schedule. The City's bond counsel, Briggs & Morgan, is assisting with legal issues and [mal paper work will be presented at the Council meeting. Mr. Dickinson stated they were able to negotiate with First Regions Bank with an interest rate of 1.5%. Motion by Jacobson, Seconded by Knight, to approve the resolution. Motion carried unanimously. - (Resolution R237-03) Motion by Jacobson, seconded by Knight, to approve the sale to First Regions Bank. Motion carried unanimously. CONSIDER CONDITIONAL USE PERMIT/CHURCH IN RESIDENTIAL DlSTRlCT/2880 S. COON CREEK DRIVE Community Development Director Neumeister explained the Coon Rapids Christian Church is proposing to construct a new church on the subject property. Churches are conditional uses in residential zoning districts. The City Council is asked to determine whether this use is appropriate and lor needs to be modified to prevent adverse impacts on surrounding properties. Conditional Use Permit review allows reasonable conditions to be attached to the approval to prevent negative impacts on surrounding properties. Councilmember Trude stated she was looking at the traffic study and she wondered if they were asking them to go out to both County Roads to do improvements. Mr. Berkowitz stated the traffic impact study was not only for South Coon Creek but also the intersections that would be affected by that. Through the study they want the developers to address what impact this would have on both County roads. He stated the improvements would be to basically re-stripe and add turn lanes. Councilmember Trude asked at whose expense this would be done. Mr. Berkowitz stated at this point, it would be at the church's expense, subject to County approval. Councilmember Orttel thought those were going to be future Municipal or County projects. Mr. Berkowitz stated what it suggested is that it be part of a County improvement. Mayor Gamache asked on Crosstown where they will have the striping improvement and a turn lane, will they have enough room for this at the intersection. Mr. Berkowitz stated they will need to review this with the County but it appears at this time that Crosstown is wide enough to accommodate that but they will discuss this with the County. Councilmember Trude stated the problem with this is that they have full shoulders but they have - Regular Andover City Council Meeting Minutes - December 16, 2003 Page 11 children biking and walking to the school. She thought if they go the full width, it will create some real hazards and it would be better not to use all the lanes and put in the turn lane until they put a trail m. Mayor Gamache stated a turn lane is needed there but there is some concern for safety. Councilmember Trude stated this was something she thought they needed to look at. Councilmember Jacobson asked if the County has had a chance to look at this. Mr. Berkowitz stated they have not. Councilmember Orttel asked how far off the road does the County require people to make improvements and at what point does this become a public expenditure. Mr. Berkowitz stated on that issue, the County would not pennit this project so they would not require that as part of this. This is coming from staff level. Councilmember Ortte! stated he was questioning this for future projects. Councilmember Ortte! stated he would rather see the cost be escrowed until a trail could be installed and they should not interrupt the traffic lanes that are being used by the children who use them for walking. Councilmember Jacobson stated there is one other item that goes beyond the traffic study. The church is suggesting using a metal panel, which they have not used in the City before. Mr. Neumeister showed the sample to the Council. Mr. Mike Schrod, Wells Construction, stated he had a number of photos of buildings that incorporate the material. He showed pictures to the Council. Councilmember Trude asked what portion of the church building would use this material. Mr. Schrod stated he was told they should work with the City on this. Councilmember Orttel asked if it had a steel roo£ Mr. Schrod stated it is standing seam metal. Councilmember Orttel asked how long the material has been around. Mr. Schrod stated it has been available six or seven years and has become more commonly used in the last couple years. He stated they have only become aware of this in the past year and it has a number of attractive features. It can be installed in any type of weather, the installation is quicker, and there are some economies it offers over traditional stucco or EFIC systems and better weather tight warranties. Councilmember Orttel asked if this material breathed. Mr. Schrod stated it did not but in the tongue and groove seam in the panel, there is a sealant that is installed in the factory and provides a weather tight/water tight seal and it provides a tighter air barrier than a traditional EFIC system would. Councilmember Orttel asked if they were custom cut or custom built or do they come in stock sizes. He was wondering how often the seams would be. Mr. Schrod stated the seams are vertical and the panels are forty-two inches wide so there would be a vertical joint and they would try to incorporate that into some type of pattern for the building. They also talked about adding some vertical pilasters to break up the vertical joints. Regular Andover City Council Meeting Minutes - December 16, 2003 Page 12 Councilmember Orttel asked if the product was made of some type of masonry and would it hold up over steel. Mr. Schrod stated it is an acrylic type of finish and has a ten year warranty on the fInish. Councilmember Trude asked how they would correct this if it started to weather. She stated it almost seemed like a mobile home product and not meant to last. Mr. Schrod stated the fInish is ten years and twenty-fIve years for the panel. Mr. Schrod stated they will have exterior maintenance for virtually any product. Councilmember Trude stated she would like staff to research this more. Mr. Erar stated they did review this product in ARC and it was recommended to use this because it meets all energy code requirements and is a very good product in the marketplace now. Councilmember Orttel did not think this was a really cheap product but he wanted to make sure that the texture will not fall off. Mayor Gamache asked what the first phase consists of. Mr. Schrod showed the Council what the different phases consisted of. Councilmember Ortte! stated when they get towards the final expansion, have they considered using City sewer and water. Mr. Schrod stated they have had brief discussions regarding this but it is not in the plans at this time. Councilmember Jacobson asked where the location for the septic system would be. Mr. Schrod stated they have not fmalized that yet. He described how the septic system would work. Councilmember Jacobson stated the reason he brought this up is because sewer will eventually go through and it would be cheaper to plan for this now than later. Mayor Gamache asked if because of the curve in the road, there are site issues with coming in and out. Mr. Berkowitz stated they would need to review this a little closer. They discussed the possibility of putting turn lanes and bypass lanes in. For the first phase, they have talked about that at a staff level and have decided that those improvements are needed at this time. Vltimate!y when they develop that out through each phase they should re-evaluate that to see if that improvement is needed. One thing that is suggested in the report in the review is if they do not require those improvements at this time the church should look at having a traffic control person available on Sundays to try to facilitate that so there are not any accidents. They can look a little closer at the site issues to ensure that if there are any obstacles they be removed at that time. Councilmember Orttel asked what types of buffers would there be to buffer the church from the residential area. Mayor Gamache asked if there were pine trees on either of the edges. Mr. Schrod showed on the drawing where the pine trees are located. Mayor Gamache asked how many feet they are from the residential homes. Mr. Schrod showed on the map what they planned on putting on the land next to the residential area. Councilmember Jacobson stated this is a conditional use permit for phase one. When they get to phases two and three, they will need to go through this process again. Regular Andover City Council Meeting Minutes - December 16, 2003 Page 13 Mr. Carroll Abbott, 2917 I 42Dd Lane, was wondering if the ditch to the south was a private ditch or a County Ditch. Mr. Schrod stated this is a County ditch. Mr. Abbott stated the ditch needs to be cleaned out because water is backed up and the house that is on the far end of 142Dd Lane, water stands on top of the land. Mayor Gamache asked if they worked on this ditch before. Mr. Berkowitz stated the ditch they did some work on is south of the deve!opment. Councilmember Orttel stated he believed when it goes to the Watershed Board, they will not be allowed to outlet to the ditch anymore water than what goes there today. Mr. Berkowitz stated that was correct and if it is a sensitive drainage area there will be more restrictions on it. Mr. Schrod stated the Coon Creek Watershed inspected the ditch in November but he does not know what their conclusions are. Motion by Jacobson, Seconded by Orttel, to approve the Conditional Use Permit for the proposed church subject to the conditions in the attached resolution deleting item two and in its place add "Require and escrow for the estimated cost of striping at Crosstown and Coon Creek Drive until it is determined that striping is needed after discussions with the County and a determination of the escrow would be determined by the City Engineer". Motion carried unanimously. (Resolution R238- 03) CONSIDER LOT SPLIT/16150 MAKAH STREET NW Community Development Director Neumeister stated the property owner is seeking approval to divide their five-acre double frontage lot into two single-family rural residential lots. Mayor Gamache stated in the Planning and Zoning Commission meeting on November 25th, there was a statement made by Mr. Cotten that he would like to stick with the hammerhead because the Fire Chief approved that particular turnaround. He wondered if that was just in the particular document from the Chief where these are the four different designs under policy that are acceptable. Mr. Neumeister stated he believed that is what he was referring to. Councilmember Jacobson stated the Fire Chief stated those four items were ok, but what did Public Works say regarding snow removal. Mr. Berkowitz stated the Public Works Department recommended using a cul-de-sac instead of a hammerhead because it is difficult to back up and plow. Mr. Berkowitz stated they would have to take right-of-way with any of the options. Councilmember Trude understood how it was hard to turn around for school buses and delivery trucks. Mr. Neumeister stated that point of discussion was quite lengthy at the ARC group and they felt that with the number of the streets that deadened, setting precedent by allowing the hammerhead, they will have more of these coming. The paved surface shows on the drawings as a reduced diameter below a normal but that was acceptable to the people in the Public Warks and also the Fire Department and was far better for them to make the turns. Mayor Gamache asked if the issue was because a cul-de-sac would go into buildable land. Mr. - Regular Andover City Council Meeting Minutes - December 16, 2003 Page 14 Cotten stated once he reviewed the staff report, he was now in favor of the cul-de-sac over a hammerhead. He thought the land was much more useable with the cul-de-sac. Councilmember Jacobson asked because of problems with previous inaccuracies in measurement, is each parcel 2 Yz acres. Mr. Cotten stated he had a surveyor come out and he measured the properties and they are sized accurately. Councilmember Knight stated the cul-de-sac will take up more land than the hammerhead. Mr. Cotten stated he thought every situation was different and he thought the cul-de-sac would work better for him than the hammerhead. He stated he would like the cul-de-sac to be permanent and not temporary if possible. Mr. Neumeister stated what they are proposing is a permanent cul-de-sac eighty feet in diameter. Motion by Orttel, Seconded by Knight, to approve the proposed lot split with the cul-de-sac turnaround with a variance to cul-de-sac length. Councilmember Jacobson suggested in Item 4 of the Resolution, they change the language to read "The applicant is required to dedicate and construct a roadway, drainage and utilities for a cul-de-sac turnaround as approved by the City Engineer which would be a normal eighty-foot diameter cul-de- sac." Mr. Cotten asked ifhe coUld build this after he sold the property. Councilmember Jacobson stated there is a sunset clause. City Attorney Hawkins stated he thought it was just Conditional Uses and they did not have a sunset clause oflot splits. Mr. Cotten stated in regard to Item 2 of the Resolution, his surveyor is working on documentation for this but he needs an RLS number to be able to give the proper language. Mr. Neumeister stated staff was working with Mr. Cotten's surveyor on this and at this point, the drawing would suffice for what the split would be approved for because the survey is a proposed registered land survey and the drawing itself will be the approved document that will then create the division. He stated the eighty- foot is the actual paved diameter of the cul-de-sac. An easement that is greater than eighty feet is required. Discussion continued regarding concrete curbs in the cul-de-sac. Mr. Bill Bush, 4613 161 st Lane NW, stated his concern is the water drainage that is there. Currently his lot and his neighbor have a high point at either end of their east/west Jots and the water is flowing down. The lot split being proposed is a higher lot then theirs is. He is having a problem now with the water drainage in the spring and he would like it when developed that no more water feeds down their way and everything is at grade level and water pools where it is. Mayor Gamache stated there are not any ditches that run along there. Mayor Gamache asked when they start looking at the lots, and deve!opment of the homes, how they will make sure they do not run into any problems with drainage. Mr. Berkowitz stated when the Regular Andover City Council Meeting Minutes - December 16, 2003 Page 15 applicant comes in with a plan of where the house location will be and a grading plan of the site and how the cul-de-sac will be developed, they will work with him at that time to make sure they do not adversely affect anybody downstream from that. Councilmember Trude asked if the road is torn up a few years down the road, will the cul·de-sac be left alone. Mr. Berkowitz stated it would if they can handle the drainage on the cul-de-sac. Motion carried unanimously. (Resolution R239-03) DISCUSS 2030 FRAMEWORKIMETROPOLITAN COUNCIL PLANNING DOCUMENT Community Development Director Neumeister stated this item is intended to share information and solicit input on the preparation of a response to the draft 2030 Regional Development Framework prepared by the Metropolitan Council. Mayor Gamache asked on page two, does this include both the Rural Reserve and the MUSA. Mr. Neumeister stated this would only include areas in the MUSA. Mr. Neumeister explained how they came up with 2.3 units per acre. Councilmember Orttel stated on the chart referencing 2.3 acres, this should be 2.3 net per acre. He stated on page 6, this includes the single family and multi-family overall. Mr. Neumeister stated this was correct. Councilmember Knight stated that as he understood it, they will not be doing any arm bending. Councilmember Orttel stated if they do not get it on record it could come back and haunt them. Councilmember Trude stated there were some other comments on the types of housing and they have had difficulty in providing all the types of housing mainly because they lack the transportation infrastructure so the transportation ties into the density. Mr. Neumeister stated they will prepare a summary of the three or four points brought up and it will be sent out on December 17, 2003 because there is a deadline. Councilmember Trude stated this came up at the Planning Commission meeting and she thought they did a pretty good job discussing this. Councilmember Trude stated another item that came up at the Planning Commission was they talked about the idea of preserving some of the natural resources including farming. They have made some choices recently in keeping land in farming as long as they can. Regular Andover City Council Meeting Minutes - December 16, 2003 Page 16 DISCUSS 2004 CDBG APPLICATION Community Development Director Neumeister explained the 2004 Community Development Block Grant funding cycle is underway. Cities and townships within Anoka County may apply for up to $300,000 in grant assistance. Councilmember Jacobson asked about the old railroad station and if there would be some funds they could use if they needed to take extreme action on this. He thought this would fall under "elimination of slum and blight". Mr. Neumeister thought it would. Councilmember Orttel stated the problem they have with that is they used to use it for that regularly and then they came up with a rule that if you destroy a low income property, you had to replace it with another low income property which is hard to do fmancially. Mayor Gamache stated Anoka County may be a little more open to that building because it is sitting on the tracks and it is his understanding that in the future, should the Northstar line be approved, Anoka County is looking at that track running up to Cambridge and Braham as a possible next project. Councilmember Trude stated that entire issue is complicated because there may be relocation issues. She looked at what they were awarded last year and they were successful with the rental rehab and she thought they should apply for that again. She would like to look into the Economic Development loan program for the huge industrial park. They have gravel roads and they will need infrastructure upgraded. She thought they should support the programs that are benefiting Andover residents and North Anoka Meals on Wheels. Councilmember Orttel did not have a problem planIÚng for this. When he looked at the things that are high on their list he wondered if they could take all of the high deals and apply for a section for the Community Center. Councilmember Trude stated they tried that. Councilmember Orttel stated that through the seniors and the youth where they could show some income need. Mr. Rick Lindquist, 16191 Round Lake Blvd. NW, discussed what was proposed on the site. Discussion continued in regard to what the City could do to help out with redevelopment in that area and if they could get some funds from the loan program for this. Motion by Trude, seconded by Knight, to send letters to the two agencies and that they also support the recommendation they made to staff for CDBG applications for Rental Rehab, Economic Development and one dilapidated house renovation or removal. Motion carried unanimously. ACKNOWLEDGE METH LAB ORDINANCE City Administrator Erar explained the City Council adopted an Ordinance Reducing Health Risk Regular Andover City Council Meeting Minutes - December 16, 2003 Page 17 Exposure at Clandestine Drug Lab Sites and Chemical Dump Sites or hereinafter referred to as a "Meth Lab" Ordinance. Mr. Erar stated with the adoption of this ordinance, the Council made an affirmative statement in support of protecting the health, welfare and safety of citizens in the community, especially children who have greater vulnerability to chemical exposure, the City staff who may come into contact with Meth labs in the regular course of their duties. The illegal nature of methamphetamine production and the resulting public health risks caused by chemical residue remaining in physical structures resulting from clandestine drug lab sites is addressed through this ordinance. Through the issuance of a Declaration of a Public Health Nuisance by the City Building Official, this ordinance requires the property owner to clean the site in accordance with Minnesota Department of Health guidelines, provides for notification procedures, and describes other mechanisms available to the City to ensure that appropriate site clean-up measures are taken. The City Council acknowledged adoption of the Meth Lab Ordinance and adoption of a summary ordinance for publication as prepared by the City Attorney's Office. Motion by Orttel, seconded by Jacobson, to adopt a summary ordinance for publication as prepared by the City Attorney's Office. MA YOR/COUNCIL INPUT (Happy Holidays) - Mayor Gamache wished everyone a Happy Holiday and New Year and hoped it will be a safe and happy one. (County Meeting) - Councilmember Trude stated they had a meeting recently with the County. She stated at one point there was one little time where there was a positive look at her when they mentioned there were fmancial partners for these road improvements. She wondered if that would be another angle to working with the County on this. She thought they needed to keep talking with the County because the more people she talks to regarding access to the Community Center, the more concerned she gets. Councilmember Knight stated he was told by someone that because of the recent snow storm, many of the roads were backed up in the area and traffic was very slow. Councilmember Trude stated she did not know if their traffic counts were correct. She stated they were unsuccessful getting full access on Hanson and Bluebird. Mayor Gamache understood what their argument was and does not totally agree but staff has begun working on plans to alleviate traffic concerns within the plan. Mr. Erar stated he hated to be the bearer of actions that the Council feels very strong about but Commissioner Lang came into his office the next day and he did not see any change in the County's position. -- . Regular Andover City Council Meeting Minutes - December 16, 2003 Page 18 Mr. Erar stated they have three scenarios based on the assumption that there will be a right inlright out only on Hanson at the Bluebird access and they are bringing back three scenarios on how mobility within the site will work. The architect is putting an enormous amount of pressure along with the Construction Manager that this issue be resolved because it does affect the drainage, circular and stonn water sites on the property, especially if they have to come up with another roadway just south of the Community Center between City Hall and the Community Center. He stated the YMCA is very concerned about keeping access open to their part of the Community Center. Councilmember Orttel thought that if they are able to get a big enough zone, maybe they should look at putting the light where they wanted with a full road coming down. Mr. Erar stated they could stilI pursue the tax abatement as a possible funding source for full access on I 54th. Councilmember Trude did not think it was acceptable to route the Community Center traffic through the City Hall or school for access and she did not think it was very respectful of the County to not consider this. The City Council recessed at 9:42 p.m. The City Council reconvened at 9:47 p.m. (Letter Regarding Community Center Reductions) - Councilmember Jacobson stated he received a letter from RIM Construction about the Civic Center and the cost and on the back side of it with the value engineering they did, they did not come in on what they thought they could do and they had some more value engineering recommendations on the back which disturbed him in some ways. He wondered what they were supposed to do on this. Mr. Erar stated these are recommendations. He stated if they had any concerns regarding these, they could set up a special workshop to discuss this with the architect and Construction Manager. Councilmember Jacobson stated obviously they are not meeting their budgetary guidelines because they will have to reduce this by almost half a million dollars. Mr. Erar stated he thought the Construction Manager and Architect are making the recommendations based on what they feel will still give them the type of product the Council has articulated in the past. Councilmember Trude stated she thought they were acceptable. Mr. Erar stated they could have a meeting for an explanation of these items. CounciImember Jacobson asked what the process is. Mr. Erar stated if they agree with what is to be reduced, these items will be eliminated from the construction budget. If a Councilmember has any questions or issues with these items, they could call him directly or contact Mr. Brian Wrecker who is the Construction Manager. (December 9, 2003 Special City Council Meeting Minutes) - Mr. Erar stated at the beginning of the meeting, there was an additional paragraph added to the minutes from December 9th and he - - -- --- Regular Andover City Council Meeting Minutes - December 16, 2003 Page 19 understood from Mr. Dickinson that the issue of contracting the concession out had been raised at a facility building meeting and he hoped that they would have a chance at a workshop to engage Council in a discussion on the viability of contracting the concession out. Since that time, he has talked to Mr. Howard Mezille, Mr. Tom LaSalle and Mr. Robie Wayne. He has had some lengthy conversations with Mr. Dickinson regarding the approach oflooking at contracting the concession out and he was hopeful that instead of going through all the comments and concerns he would have, if the Council would entertain holding off on moving forward with the RFP until they have had a workshop because with his conversations with Harold as well as Robie and Tom LaSalle, the YMCA is not in favor of moving forward with contracting the concession out for a number of different concerns which he found to be legitimate concerns. Councilmember Trude asked if this is to help the City out, why would the YMCA suddenly be concerned about how they plan to run the concessions. Mr. Erar stated because of the fact that the aquatic expansion is moving forward, they wanted to approach the City on sharing revenues that come out of the concessions. He stated this was something they had discussed at length before. He stated if it remains as it is, there would not have been any YMCA involvement but given the fact that now the YMCA will be expanding the aquatics, there will be a window directly open to the aquatics park and they have not discussed how the revenue split would occur. Councilmember Jacobson stated that just because the YMCA would have a window to the concession stand, it does not mean that they get any money from the concessions. Mr. Erar stated he thought the YMCA thought of this differently. Councilmember Knight noted the last time they discussed contracting it out, Mr. LaSalle stated they were not interested. Councilmember Trude heard there were discussions with Mr. Robie Wayne about this at the Capital Campaign meeting and the concerns are not done and this is something that the YMCA has never done. Mr. Erar stated for the record they do want to have discussions regarding sharing revenue now that they have moved forward with expanding the aquatics. Mr. Erar discussed generating revenue for the City and YMCA versus contracting out this through a vendor. Councilmémber Trude thought this needed to be discussed in a workshop meeting. Mayor Gamache thought they should leave this open for a January workshop. Councilmember Jacobson asked if they could get in writing the YMCA's concerns for the workshop. Councilmember Ortte! wondered if they could realize a decent profit while leasing this to someone, can't they split the profits and come out. Mr. Erar told him that if it is really profitable and it succeeds like they want it to, then there would be a fair amount of profit they should retain. He thought they should talk about this. Councilmember Jacobson stated they should move it to a January workshop and get their concerns Regular Andover City Council Meeting Minutes - December 16, 2003 Page 20 and reasons for this. Council concurred to hold off on any RFP until a workshop meeting. Council consensus was to move this item to a January workshop. Motion by Jacobson, Seconded by Orttel, to adjourn. Motion carried unanimously. The meeting adjourned at 10:05 p.m. Respectfully submitted, Susan Osbeck, Recording Secretary