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HomeMy WebLinkAboutNovember 13, 20180 ANLb 6 W i 1685 CROSSTOWN BOULEVARD N.W. • ANDOVER, MINNESOTA 55304 • (763) 755-5100 FAX (763) 755-8923 • WWW.ANDOVERMN.GOV Andover Planning and Zoning Commission Meeting Agenda November 13, 2018 Andover City Hall Council Chambers 7:00 p.m. 1. Call to Order 2. Pledge of Allegiance 3. Approval of Minutes — September 11, 2018 Regular Meeting, September 25, 2018 Work Session Meeting, and October 9, 2018 Work Session Meeting. 4. Public Hearing —Planned Unit Development Amendment — Preserve at Petersen Farms — JD Andover Holdings LLC 5. Other Business 6. Adjournment L4W1 J PLANNINGAND ZONING COMMISSIONMEETING —NOVEMBER 13, 2018 The Regular Bi -Monthly Meeting of the Andover Planning and Zoning Commission was called to order by Chairperson Kyle Nemeth on November 13, 2018, 7:00 p.m., at the Andover City Hall, 1685 Crosstown Boulevard NW, Andover, Minnesota. Commissioners present: Dean Daninger, Scott Hudson, Bert Koehler IV, Nick Loehlein, Jeff Sims, and Mary VanderLaan Commissioner absent: None. Also present: Community Development Director Joe Janish PLEDGE OFALLEGIANCE. APPROVAL OFMINUTES. September 11, 2018, Regular Meeting Motion by Daninger, seconded by Loehlein, to approve the September 11, 2018, minutes as presented. Motion carried on a 6 -ayes, 0 -nays, 1 -present (Sims), 0 -absent vote. September 25, 2018, Work Session Meeting Commissioner VanderLaan requested the following corrections: Page 5, Line 39, replace `skipped' with `skip.' Page 6, Line 1, replace `skipped' with `skip.' Motion by Loehlein, seconded by VanderLaan, to approve the September 25, 2018, minutes as corrected. Motion carried on a 5 -ayes, 0 -nays, 2 -present (Hudson and Sims), 0 -absent vote. October 9, 2018, Work Session Meeting Motion by Daninger, seconded by Hudson, to approve the October 9, 2018, minutes as presented. Motion carried on a 7 -ayes, 0 -nays, 0 -present, 0 -absent vote. Regular Andover Planning and Zoning Commission Meeting Minutes—November 13, 2018 Page 2 © PUBLIC HEARING: Planned Unit Development Amendment — Preserve at Petersen Farms — JD Andover Holdings LLC. Community Development Director Janish noted the Planning Commission is asked to review a Conditional Use Permit (CUP)/Planned Unit Development (PUD) Amendment for Preserve at Petersen Farms. This request would extend the current PUD minimum requirements from the east (Phase 1) over the remainder of the property. He read Chapter 3, Section 13-3-9, detailing the findings required by the Planning Commission to consider a PUD. Community Development Director Janish displayed a map depicting the Phase 1 area, which is not under consideration tonight, as well as future phases. He reviewed the request under consideration, City Code requirements, Shoreland requirements, and PUD proposal minimum as detailed in the staff report. It was noted that 110 lots are proposed on 336 acres and the applicant is requesting a modification of the front lot setbacks from 40 feet to 30 feet. The utilities will be private on each lot, which is consistent with rural areas. He pointed out the locations of open space and trails tying into the Martin's Meadow Park open space. Community Development Director Janish reviewed the Shoreland Overlay development density, noting four tiers have been identified as follows: Tier 1 is 25.3 developable acres and 11 lots; Tier 2 is 17.4 developable acres and 8 lots; Tier 3 is 21.2 developable acres © and 12 lots; and, Tier 4 is 20.6 developable acres and 8 lots for a total of 39 proposed lots. He explained how the base density is calculated that would allow 33.8 lots, noting the bonus base density would allow a total of 79.2 lots. Community Development Director Janish then reviewed the open space calculation, with gross developable area of 140.2 acres and net developable area of 74 acres. He stated the easements as proposed are consistent and the MSA route that will need to be designed to meet those standards. In addition, staff is asking the developer to consider off-street parking for the open space area, which is a recommended condition of approval in the draft resolution. Community Development Director Janish noted the location of open space areas and trail connections the developer is proposing. A condition within the draft resolution is to deed the 46 -acre open space lot based on feedback from the Park and Recreation Commission and as determined by the City Council. Community Development Director Janish noted during Phase 1 review, the Park and Recreation Commission considered a future park location and appropriate easement for a trail. The applicant is proposing a community space in the southwest area of the property. The applicant will consider the reuse of existing storage buildings, which may require a CUP process and the resolution as drafted, will allow additional time for the applicant to evaluate those options. He explained these storage buildings will also need to be evaluated by staff relative to architecture and whether the applicant may need to provide off street Regular Andover Planning and Zoning Commission Meeting Minutes —November 13, 2018 Page 3 © parking for the proposed use, if needed. The applicant will evaluate possible reuse and the City can then review that information and consider conditions and recommendations on the reuse of those structures, if appropriate. Community Development Director Janish presented the four findings required for the City Council to consider a PUD and the applicant's response to each as detailed in the narrative. He noted the Comprehensive Plan goals were included in the meeting packet for the Planning Commission's review. Community Development Director Janish stated to address the discussion during Phase 1 about densities, the applicant has provided ground mapping depicting density of the area. He stated he also provided a map staff created showing ranges of typical surrounding lot sizes. Commissioner Koehler asked if staff is concerned about maintaining the open space land going forward if it is dedicated. Community Development Director Janish stated staff feels it will be capable of maintaining this, noting there will be restrictions placed so it remains as open space and would be managed as part of that program. Commissioner Daninger referenced the map and chart depicting lot widths and asked about the lot widths and numbers. Community Development Director Janish stated staff went with 100 -foot widths to keep things easier, though it may be 101 feet. He stated the upland area is standard RI with a minimum of 13,600 square feet to allow for two 5,000 square foot septic sites. The applicant is proposing 1 -acre lots of upland area. Commissioner Daninger stated Phase 1 is not up for discussion but in looking at the lots, the PUD sketch has 110 lots. Community Development Director Janish stated that is correct. Commissioner VanderLaan asked about Navajo Street. Community Development Director Janish explained it would be dedicated as an MSA road. Commissioner VanderLaan stated it will then have to connect another County or MSA roadway to be eligible for funding. She noted Navajo Street goes up to 173`d Avenue and asked if Roanoke Street is designated as MSA. Community Development Director Janish stated it is a County roadway. He reviewed the alignment of Navajo Street, noting it will traverse from one County roadway to another County roadway. Commissioner Loehlein referenced the table of development data, gross developable area of 336.1 acres and net developable area of 287.8 acres and asked if it is the same as mentioned in the memo on lot standards. Community Development Director Janish explained how it is calculated by taking areas out of the gross developable area, like wetlands and waterbodies, to determine the net developable area. © Commissioner Loehlein noted earlier sketches showed a connection down to Eldorado Street. Community Development Director Janish explained that was shown in the sketch Regular Andover Planning and Zoning Commission Meeting Minutes —November 13, 2018 Page 4 © but that property is not under the developer's ownership and phase 1 has already been developed. At the request of Chairperson Nemeth, Community Development Director Janish used a map to point out the location of Eldorado Street. Commissioner Sims asked about using the net developable area to provide a comparison. Community Development Director Janish stated the developer has a presentation on that aspect. Motion by VanderLaan, seconded by Loehlein, to open the public hearing at 7:29 p.m. Motion carried on a 7 -ayes, 0 -nays, 0 -absent vote. Darren Lazan, Landform Professional Services, LLC, 105 South Fifth Avenue, Suite 513, Minneapolis, introduced Jason Osberg, Metrowide Development, who together with him form JD Andover Holdings and have made this application. Mr. Lazan reported on the Builder Association annual meeting and that Preserve at Oakview in Andover placed in the top four finalists for the Bennie Award that recognizes the best neighborhood development in the Twin Cities. He stated the Preserve at Oakview was their pilot proj ect for low -impact design and the Preserve at Petersen Farms project `double downs' and leverages those same design elements. © Mr. Lazan noted Phase 1 was considered separately and ultimately approved. He described the PUD process they followed, which is not a shortcut but rather a legitimate and thoughtful approach for land development. They selected the PUD process as it is the best tool to develop this particular piece of property and creates a more efficient allocation of density. Mr. Lazan displayed examples of lot and home layouts to meet the RI Code with no PUD or variances, and the balanced use of upland area that is possible through the PUD process. He noted this will not look like an urban subdivision because there are about 400 acres, but the lot sizes will still be 1.5 acres where a typical urban lot size is 80 feet by 125 feet. Mr. Lazan displayed aerial drone pictures of Phase 2 and reviewed development data for Phase 1 and future phases. He described how homes will be pulled away from the open space to reallocate density and noted the natural extension of trails to Martin's Meadow Park. Mr. Lazan stated they realize there are challenges with the existing buildings and the PUD will preserve their ability to look at potential reuse with the understanding there may be architectural and parking considerations. Mr. Lazan reviewed gross density and net density calculations, noting the PUD flexibility ® is for a 1.5 -acre minimum lot size, 100 -feet wide, 1 -acre minimum upland lot size, and 110 lots for .32 units per acre on 336.1 acres. He displayed the figure ground map that showed Regular Andover Planning and Zoning Commission Meeting Minutes —November 13, 2018 Page 5 Qa black background with white dots where buildings are located. He drew attention to surrounding areas that show a higher density than being proposed. Mr. Lazan stated the proposal is not denser than the relative 5 square mile area surrounding it. Diane Park, 1524 155`h Lane NW, stated she is a member of Generation 3 of the Petersen family. Her grandpa purchased this property in the early 1950s and all family generations participated in the farming operation; however, none in Generation 4 are interested in continuing the operation. The other consideration is the decrease in revenues generated by small family farms. Ms. Park stated this was a difficult decision but in the best interest for their family. Their goal is to keep the natural beauty so that's why they partnered with JD Andover Holdings as they are willing to work side-by-side with the family to preserve its natural beauty. Ms. Park stated the family is pleased with how Phase 1 turned out and excited to continue that process with future phases. Mr. Lazan stated the Petersen's have an 80 -year history of ownership and had watched as surrounding areas developed while they held their ownership. Darren McDonald, 16927 Jivaro Street NW, stated he met Darren Lazan and Jason Osberg as they worked through Phase 1. He stated he has nothing against the Petersens or developers, understands what they want to do, and when he purchased from his in-laws, knew this was the expected outcome. Mr. McDonald stated they own property in the ghost © platted area and will be directly impacted more than most in being surrounded by Petersen property on three sides. Mr. McDonald stated Phase 1 is beautiful, but he has concerns about the future ghost plat and how it locks his family in as property owners. He noted the proposed road system dead ends on the south side of the ghost plat. He asked how the McDonald property, which has six generations of ownership, will be impacted as future phases of the Petersen property are developed. He stated his family wants to maintain what they have as well as Martin's Meadow, so it can be enjoyed by all in the future. Mr. McDonald stated his concern that the City Council did not hear the Planning Commission's concerns for phase 1 or recommendation since it was recommended for denial and the City Council approved it. Mr. McDonald stated the notice of the public hearing came to Hope Luedtke's mailbox, not to his mailbox. He asked how the fixture access from the south to their property would look, noting part of the proposed MSA route is proposed to come onto their property. Mr. McDonald stated they own 30 acres. He used the drone picture to point out the location of their houses and the barn that has stood for over 100 years. He noted that when the Petersen's talk about keeping their legacy alive, he would like the Planning Commission to be aware there is more than that to consider as they (the McDonalds and Luedtke) have a legacy as well. He stated Chairperson Nemeth had commented previously that Phase 1 had to be done right because Phase 2 and 3 will reflect it. He is concerned that Phase 2 has © 1.5 -acre lots, which he does not think is necessary as there is a lot of open land. He stated it is zoned RI for a reason and he would like Phase 2 to stay that way. L Regular Andover Planning and Zoning Commission Meeting Minutes —November 13, 2018 Page 6 Mr. Lazan stated the ghost plat is not their plan for the McDonald property but shows a plausible development for that property and how road alignment could take place. When and how the McDonalds consider development on their property is totally up to those owners. Mr. Lazan stated they do not control the MSA road and if the McDonalds don't want to develop their property, then it will not be constructed in that way. Mr. Lazan stated they hope to do stormwater treatment in the swales and the infiltration basins. He stated they hope to pull all the homes away from higher value assets and push homes into the flat areas. By transferring the density from the lake and dedicating open space, density is relocated to the south where there are not as many amenities to preserve. Jason Osberg, Metrowide Development, 15356 Yukon Street NW, stated Mr. Luedtke had indicated an east/west roadway was more desirable so that was included in the ghost plat, but it is conceptual and can be configured as desired by those property owners. Chairperson Nemeth asked if the ponds shown on the plans are existing. Mr. Lazan stated at this stage, they have laid out rough roadway alignments and lot boundaries and use placeholders for roadways and ponding. He explained that infiltration basins will be created, and the soils will not allow standing water. He used a map to point out the location of existing wetland areas. © Chairperson Nemeth noted the plans show that the roads will end in three cul-de-sacs at the ghost plat and asked how those owners will access their properties. Mr. Lazan stated the City will require the developer to extend roadways to those properties. Commissioner Hudson asked about the minimum maintenance road. Mr. Lazan stated Jivaro Street is a minimum maintenance road that does not align with Inca Street so they propose to realign and pave the minimum maintenance road to the north, to the ghost plat. Commissioner Hudson asked if their driveway will line up with the proposed cul-de-sacs. Mr. Lazan stated they will work with those property owners to provide connections. He explained the City Engineer selects MSA routes and has made that request of them. Commissioner Hudson stated the McDonald farm is landlocked but in a future phase, Navajo Street will provide access to those lots. Mr. Lazan stated the road will be extended and end in a temporary cul-de-sac. Chairperson Nemeth asked how access will be provided to the ghost plat area during construction. Mr. Lazan stated it is feasible to construct Inca Street and the cul-de-sac, reconnect resident's driveways, and then take out Jivaro Street. Chairperson Nemeth noted the proposal is to have off-street parking in Martin's Meadow © and asked where that will occur. Mr. Lazan explained that is a staff request and they will work with staff and the Park and Recreation Commission to look at scenarios to figure it Regular Andover Planning and Zoning Commission Meeting Minutes — November 13, 2018 Page 7 © out. Chairperson Nemeth anticipated a lot in the northeast corner will be looked at for parking. Mr. Lazan pointed out that location and agreed that may be an option. He assured the Planning Commission that he will work with staff to figure that out. Mr. McDonald stated the location of the two cul-de-sacs on the south edge of their property does impact how their future development would be laid out and the value of the property to a future developer of their land. He noted the location of structures on their property within the alignment of the proposed MSA roadway. He stated they talked with staff about access to Martin's Meadow from the east and it sounds like the City may buy an easement to provide that access. They want Martin's Meadow to live on and be accessed from both the east and west sides. Mr. McDonald asked the Planning Commission to keep in mind that his family's property is right in the middle and he is concerned there is more going on than being presented. In addition, if the street name is changed, they will have to change their address. He asked whether the school district boundaries will also be changed. Chairperson Nemeth asked which street they use now to access their property. Mr. McDonald answered they use Jivaro Street, which is maintained by the City. Commissioner VanderLaan asked if the City removes snow and grades a minimum maintenance road. Mr. McDonald confirmed the City does maintain it. Commissioner VanderLaan asked who constructed Jivaro Street and when it was constructed. Mr. McDonald stated he does not know but Jivaro Street has been there since 2000. Commissioner VanderLaan stated once the City maintains a road for a certain number of years, it becomes a road owned by the City. Community Development Director Janish stated the City Engineer Public Works Director indicated the City owns that roadway. It is proposed that the developer construct a new roadway farther to the east and then the current road would have to be vacated, which will be done as part of the final platting process. Mr. McDonald stated the developer has communicated about the road ending in a cul-de- sac and providing access, but he is wondering about emergency vehicle access from the temporary cul-de-sac to their driveway. He stated the school bus does not come up the road currently. He asked whether their properties will continue to maintain the required road frontage. Commissioner Koehler thanked Mr. McDonald for Martin's Meadow and everything the McDonald/Luedtke families have done for the City. He asked if 1.5 -acre lots are too small, would they want 2.5 -acre lots if it meant getting rid of open space and clear cutting the land. Or, would he prefer 1.5 -acre lots, preserving the natural features, and getting a trail to Martin's Meadow. Regular Andover Planning and Zoning Commission Meeting Minutes — November 13, 2018 Page 8 Mr. McDonald stated they appreciate the open space and Phase 1 is beautiful but while it was sold that no trees would be cut down, many trees were cut down to push the road farther to the east as requested by the existing neighborhood. Mr. McDonald used a map to point out the area where trees were cut in Phase 1. He stated he does not think a developer could bulldoze this land and put in 2.5 -acre lots because of the wetlands. He referenced the density map and stated the white dots are identifying even small buildings and where they hang tack gear. He stated he does not want the area clear cut and to build houses after house. Mr. McDonald stated he has no doubt this will look good, as Phase 1 looks good, but it is zoned Rl. Community Development Director Janish stated the zoning is RI and clarified that during Phase 1 it was not stated by staff or the developer that no trees would be removed. Hope Luedtke, 16932 Jivaro Street, stated Phase 1 looks nice and the Luedtke /McDonald crowd is also vested in this property. She stated she understands the street will be relocated and does not like that the name of the street will be changed and prefers it remain Jivaro Street. She stated if it ends in a cul-de-sac and they are not interested in selling/developing, it should not be on them to get driveways to the new street. Instead, the new road should come in to where their driveway is already located so a garbage truck and emergency vehicles can have access. Ms. Luedtke stated they should not have to use their acreage to get that road connection. She stated when lighting is installed, she hopes it will be very ® little light as she is a fan of not having light pollution. She stated of course they don't want the area bulldozed and she thinks Phase 2 will be done well but she would like a few less lots in the big picture, which would be beneficial. Mr. Lazan drew the location of Luedtke's existing driveway onto a map and stated they will work with them to straddle the property line and restore the connection. With regard to lighting, they use LED lighting and will do the least allowed by City Code. He noted in Phase 1 they have only 7 lights and that includes two intersections. Melanie Thell, 4819 170th Avenue NW, asked where the Timber River Estates is located. Mr. Lazan used a map to point out that location. Ms. Thell stated she feels this is a mere technicality to getting it approved but she would be remiss if she did not take the opportunity to express how she feels about this development. She clearly opposed it. Ms. Thell stated they moved in five years ago but within six months had wanted to thank the Petersen's to say that even though turkeys smell, she appreciated a neighborhood with such beautiful landscape. She explained her father grew up on a farm, so they spent a lot of time at that family farm and enjoyed spending time there. She had lived in Minneapolis but wanted to move into an area with that kind of farm environment. Now, on the deck, they watch the sunrise and sunset but won't have that view after Phase 2. They also enjoy star gazing, which addresses the light pollution. They enjoy the wildlife and sounds, and this project will break that up. She noted there is already loud traffic, since they are the first house, and asked how that will be impacted. She asked if the road will be widened and if there will be signal lights. Regular Andover Planning and Zoning Commission Meeting Minutes — November 13, 2018 Page 9 Ms. Thell stated the density map makes their development looked `squished' but it is not house-to-house because some have five acre lots. Ms. Thell stated what directly affects her will be the noise and lack of nature. She noted the Timber River Estates Facebook site mentions they love to experience the nature of the neighborhood. She asked how many phases there will be and how many years it will take. She also asked about the lot sizes across from her property and requested a meeting packet. Ms. Thell stated this is close to her heart and even though her daughter has been recently hospitalized, it was important for her to come tonight and have her voice heard. Chairperson Nemeth stated staff can provide a meeting packet. Mr. Lazan stated the PUD amendment will set the parameters for the rest of the developments to happen in an orderly process from east to west. He explained that depending on the market, it could be 3 to 5 years or 3 to 10 years. Mr. Lazan drew in the location of added right turn lanes that will be required by Anoka County. Mr. Lazan noted the location of Ms. Thell's property and stated for the most part, the six lots in her immediate area are about 1 acre, or one-third smaller than the smallest lots being proposed. He stated the Petersen farm is no longer viable to operate so the Petersens have exercised their right to develop for future generations. © Ms. Thell asked if the only road improvements are the turn lanes and if the road will be widened or lights added as the road is already quite busy and results in traffic backing up. She stated her lot is 1 acre plus because that is her direct line of sight even though not her actual lot. She stated that view is why she picked her lot and this project will take away that farther view. Chairperson Nemeth stated there will be a right lane added into this project and another onto 170`h Avenue NW. He noted that is a decision of the Anoka County Highway Department and Ms. Thell could contact them for additional information. Community Development Director Janish stated he will provide Ms. Thell with that contact information. He stated Anoka County staff have indicated there is nothing in their written plans to widen the roadway. John Wegner, 17125 Roanoke Street NW, pointed out the location of his 8 -9 -acre parcel and stated for 26 years they have been running Municipal Builders, Inc. from their home. This use was grandfathered in 20 years ago. Mr. Wegner asked if they will have issues with the proposed additional housing and be required to screen outdoor storage or if they will be asked to leave. He stated City staff has indicated they are the kind of business the City wants to stay, and he plans to give his business to his kids. Joyce Rendahl, 5234 169`h Lane NW, stated she has heard no one in Timber River Estates © who is excited about this project and she is disappointed she didn't know the farm was being sold or contacted because it was not a requirement. She stated only homes within so Regular Andover Planning and Zoning Commission Meeting Minutes —November 13, 2018 Page 10 Qmany feet were notified, and their community is disappointed that everyone in Timber River Estates wasn't notified of the meetings since it impacts all of them. They all drive by the turkey farm every day. She suggested their association should have been notified. Otherwise, they don't know about the meetings unless someone who did get notice tells them about it. Ms. Rendahl asked about the swales and ditches and if that is the same as a rain garden. She also asked if there will be drains into the sewer system or a natural area. She stated she is also concerned about the added traffic that will be produced by this number of homes. Ms. Rendahl stated 7u' Avenue was just resurfaced but is again full of potholes. Community Development Director Janish noted the packet includes a notification map. He explained State Statutes require notification of property owners within 350 feet and Andover notifies within 700-750 feet in rural areas, advertises the meeting in the local newspaper, and posts signs on the property. Ms. Rendahl asked where the signs were posted. Community Development Director Janish stated Phase 1 had a sign at the end of 168" Street, on 7`h Avenue, and on Roanoke Street and 170`h Avenue. For tonight's meeting, signs are posted at Roanoke Street and 170x' Avenue as well as 7s' Avenue. Ms. Rendahl stated they have not seen signs posted. © Adi McDonald, 16927 Jivaro Street NW, stated Andover is part of Anoka County and the City Council should advocate for its residents about the traffic. She stated she knows there is a plan for turn lanes but the intersection at the south, on County Road 7 where there is a blind corner, should also be addressed. Ms. McDonald stated the PUD idea is painted as a magical picture and it looks pretty but she wishes the Petersen Farm could stay as it is and she hurts for the family to have to get rid of their family's legacy. Ms. McDonald stated she is glad they are looking to develop in a way that will benefit people who have enjoyed Petersen Farms. However, she thinks a PUD does not reflect what people are looking for. Ms. McDonald stated she likes the open space and trails to Martin's Meadow but driving into this development will not feel like the Andover everyone is used to. She does not want the area bulldozed as she grew up in this area and her dad had talked about going there to get away from everything in the cities. She had visions of sharing what he enjoyed while growing up with their own children but now those dreams are dying, which make her sad. She stated if there are 2.5 -acre lots or larger, the area will not be polluted with people no one wants around there. John Mueller, 4946 1701h Avenue NW, Timber River Estates, asked for clarification on the access road off 7`h Avenue and if it is directly across from 170`h Avenue, which is a nightmare scenario. If so, he felt that was shortsighted as the neighborhood has been there for years, you have to wait forever to turn right in the moming and turning left is dangerous Regular Andover Planning and Zoning Commission Meeting Minutes —November 13, 2018 Page 11 so putting another access at that point is insanity. He felt there had to be a better way and asked if that is already locked in stone with Phase 1. Chairperson Nemeth clarified the Planning Commission is only a recommending body to the City Council. Mr. Mueller stated it is asking for a death scenario with this level of density across from an established neighborhood, so he would ask if there is an alternative that can be considered. He asked if he should talk to the City Council about that. Chairperson Nemeth stated Mr. Mueller is at the right meeting to make public comments as the Planning Commission makes a recommendation to the City Council. Mr. Mueller asked how close the new homes will be to 7`h Avenue. He thanked the Planning Commission for the privilege of being able to offer comments. Adi McDonald, 16927 Jivaro Street NW, asked whether the property has been purchased by the developers for Phases 2 and 3. She asked if the plan for this is three to five to maybe ten years out, what is the push now to get the acceptance for the PUD. Ms. McDonald stated the mid-term elections were just held and asked if they want to get it through before there is a different Council. She stated with the discussion on Phase 1, it was portrayed that it had to be done right and Chairperson Nemeth had also mentioned that. She felt with © Timber River Estates not being notified or able to make comment, it is affecting them down the road and that does not mean that Phases 2 and 3 can't be different. Mary Jo Gubbin, 17260 Roanoke Street NW, stated she has a five -acre lot that has been in her family's ownership since 1976 and she understands the Petersens wanting to sell their farm. She noted there is a hill by her property that goes down to the river so it's hard to see when she tries to leave her property. Ms. Gubbin stated she has concerns with added traffic, how hard it is to get onto the highway, and the number of people living in that area. Melanie Thell, 4819 170`h Avenue NW, asked about the impact to the school district boundaries with this number of added houses. Chairperson Nemeth stated that is a decision of the School Board. Ms. Thell thanked the Planning Commission for allowing residents to be heard. RECESSAND RECONVENE Chairperson Nemeth recessed the meeting at 9:09 p.m. The meeting reconvened at 9:16 p.m. Chairperson Nemeth invited the public to make comment. Hearing none, he invited Mr. Lazan to answer questions raised during the public hearing. Mr. Lazan explained that as part of this low -impact design, stormwater is treated more naturally rather than a large piped pond system. Ribbon curbs will direct stormwater into Regular Andover Planning and Zoning Commission Meeting Minutes—November 13, 2018 Page 12 planted swales for infiltration and biofiltration as well as volume control, which shrinks the footprint of stormwater basins. This type of system is even being utilized in commercial developments. With regard to traffic, Mr. Lazan stated they submitted their plan to Anoka County for review of traffic trips and after review, Anoka County tells them the improvements needed to mitigate the development. Anoka County has made that response and indicated two right turns are required on Roanoke Street, a right turn in and bypass lane for southbound at the southern boundary, alignment of Inca Street to the east, and improvements on 168" Street with Phase 1. He acknowledged they will be adding trips but the roadways are owned by all and there are rights to use the roadways. He stated Anoka County prefers intersections that are aligned rather than staggered and that is what they are planning. Chairperson Nemeth referenced the letter dated May 7, 2018 from the Anoka County Transportation Division that finds (in part), `...In concept, we find these local street connections acceptable provided that full turn lane construction occurs on the county at each location (ex — NB and SB CSAH7left and right turn lane construction at 170'hAvenue NW, EB and WB CR 158 left and right turn lane construction at Inca Street NW, EB CR 158 left turn lane or bypass lane and WB CR 158 right turn lane at Eldorado Street NW). In addition, we also have concerns regarding safety and operations at the intersections of CSAH 7/CR 158 and CR 58/CR 158 as a result of this development, and it is likely that the construction of a NB CR 58 bypass lane and a SB CR 58 right turn lane will be required at the intersection of CR 58/CR 158, as well as the construction of a SB CSAH 7 right turn lane/bypass lane at the intersection with CR 158... ' Mr. Lazan stated that is what they will then have to construct since it is a requirement by Anoka County. With regard to the question of setback, Mr. Lazan explained they have located stormwater facilities along Roanoke Street to keep houses at a distance. Chairperson Nemeth stated Ms. McDonald had asked if they have purchased in phases. Mr. Lazan stated they have purchased Phase 1 and have an agreement to proceed with future phases but the first step is to get the processes established. He stated the future phases are dependent on the open space discussions so they would like to get that resolved and approved so they can move forward with future phases. Mr. Lazan stated they are showing what will happen with the full 400 acres instead of bringing it before the City in phases. Chairperson Nemeth referenced the question of screening raised by John Wegner of 17125 Roanoke Street NW. Community Development Director Janish stated the majority of the property adjacent to Mr. Wegner's back yard is wetland and that area would be evaluated to determine whether screening will be needed or possible. He noted that business expansions are not grandfathered so staff may have to evaluate if the current business is the same as grandfathered, then it will remain as that individual has certain rights since the business started prior to Code adoption. Regular Andover Planning and Zoning Commission Meeting Minutes —November 13, 2018 Page 13 QChairperson Nemeth asked about the rear yard setback requirements. Community Development Director Janish stated the minimum is 50 feet but since the front yard setback may be reduced, the rear yard distance may be increased. He stated with regard to the level of service on County Road 7, there are currently 7,800 vehicles per day for a 2 -lane roadway that has an upward capacity of 14,000 to 15,000 per day. Community Development Director Janish stated staff will relay the resident's concerns to Anoka County but according to the County's numbers, this segment of roadway is running at 50% of projections. Commissioner Koehler asked whether the County takes into account the time of day the cars roll through, noting it will be different during peak travel times. Community Development Director Janish answered in the affirmative and explained that transportation planners look at rush periods in their guidelines for transportation planning. Chairperson Nemeth asked what happens when the traffic reaches 15,000 vehicles per day. Community Development Director Janish noted it will depend on funding but once the level of service drops, the County will look at funding including grant opportunities or partnerships to bring levels of service back up with road improvements. Chairperson Nemeth asked when a traffic regulation, such as a stop sign, comes into play. Community Development Director Janish stated he does not know enough about Anoka County's policies to respond to that question. Commissioner Loehlein asked about the type of accessory structures permissible in this area. Community Development Director Janish explained it would depend on the lot size and the homeowner's association may have some restrictions as well to assure accessory structures are compatible with the architecture of the homes. Chairperson Nemeth stated accessory structures are probably sheds and things of that nature. He called for additional public comment. Hearing none, he entertained a motion to close the public hearing. Motion by Hudson, seconded by Koehler, to close the public hearing at 9:35 p.m. Motion carried on a 7 -ayes, 0 -nays, 0 -absent vote. Commissioner Koehler stated Mr. McDonald mentioned school bus access is not viable at this time and asked if it would be viable to the Inca Street cul-de-sac, if extended. Community Development Director Janish stated it will depend on the number of students within a neighborhood. He stated he can't guarantee the school bus will come up to the end of the cul-de-sac but it may come to an intersection that is closer to the home. He stated the school bus company decides the routes and stop locations, not the City. Commissioner Koehler stated that may be something Mr. McDonald wants to bring up with the school bus company. He asked if the Fire Department has looked at emergency Regular Andover Planning and Zoning Commission Meeting Minutes—November 13, 2018 Page 14 vehicle access. Community Development Director Janish stated the plans have been provided to the Fire Department for review. Commissioner Koehler stated the City will want to ensure the fire truck can get from the cul-de-sac to the homes that are not part of this project. Community Development Director Janish stated he will bring that concern to the Fire Department. Commissioner Koehler asked how the City determines the name of the road (Jivaro Street versus Inca Street) and implications to residents that have to change their address. Community Development Director Janish explained that shortly before final plat consideration, the Planning Department will determine the name of the street based on the street grid which also considers emergency management so emergency vehicles know where they are going. Commissioner Koehler stated these residents are not asking for any of this, it is being foisted upon them, so he hopes the City will do what they can to mitigate that impact. Commissioner Koehler stated with regard to high traffic volumes, he lives south of Andover High School and when they extended the intersection north of his house, it made access much easier. In this case, since Anoka County will require both left- and right-hand turn lanes, as called out by Chairperson Nemeth tonight, it should make access easier. Commissioner Koehler stated no one wants their back yard to face a road so the developer will assure houses are pushed away from Roanoke Street. He stated his concern with connecting existing driveways for the McDonald and Luedtke families, who have not asked for any of this and been extraordinarily professional in discussing this tonight. He felt they understood this is progress and he supported a concerted effort to work with them to make connections to their driveways without them having to give up acreage. He asked the developer to take care of that impact. Commissioner Koehler noted residents have asked why the lots cannot be larger than 1.5 acres but when he asked, `Would you rather have 1.5 -acre lots and natural area or 2.5 -acre lots and clear cut?' He wanted to raise awareness that there will be a number under 2.5 acres to get this kind of development. It is his opinion that 1.5 acres is a lot bigger than the other lots around this immediate area with the exception of McDonald/Luedtke property. Commissioner Koehler stated he thinks 1.5 -acre lots is a fair tradeoff to retain wildlife and nature and lack of light pollution. He thinks that is worth it and what the neighborhood is all about. Commissioner Koehler stated he knows it is emotional for the McDonalds and Luedtkes and he wants to assure their concerns are met as much as possible. Commissioner VanderLaan stated Commissioner Koehler has expressed sentiments all share with concern you will be left `high and dry' and no one wants that. She stated she had asked questions about the roadway and possibility that staff will continue to work with residents as well as the developer because they don't want the liability of isolating a family from emergency vehicles. In looking at one aspect no one has brought up before, Commissioner VanderLaan noted the location of the Recreation Lake and 125 -foot Regular Andover Planning and Zoning Commission Meeting Minutes—November 13, 2018 Page 15 setbacks. She stated at one point, it is a designated recreational lake and asked whether it has been an accepted lake that has to abide by shoreland regulations. If accepted, then Jivaro Street is encroaching on the lake and not constructed according to shoreland zoning or standards, so it may be a benefit to correct that issue through this project. Commissioner VanderLaan stated if the minimum maintenance road is moved over and the City has benefit of an MSA roadway and funds for construction and maintenance, the City has the right to lay it out as they see fit. She noted the County wants the road aligned properly on the south for safety reasons and moving it over would be beneficial in many aspects. She explained she has experience in living on a road that ended, like Jivaro Street. Now, through realignment and with the reconstruction, the road will have three inches of bituminous and an MSA design, which could be a gorgeous road, but it will disturb residents to have it realigned. Commissioner VanderLaan pointed out that in the future if the road is built, it will be a nice road with a cul-de-sac that connects McDonald's and Luedtke's driveways, so they are no longer landlocked. Commissioner VanderLaan clarified that Fred Moore School is now called Anoka Middle School and that should be corrected in the developer's marketing literature. Commissioner Daninger asked if the CUP and PUD for this phase are approved, will a preliminary plat with more detail be submitted for Planning Commission review. Community Development Director Janish answered in the affirmative. Commissioner Daninger asked whether the cul-de-sac to the north part of the plat will be. Community Development Director Janish clarified it would be a temporary cul-de-sac, so the 500 -foot length restriction would not apply. That is a requirement for a permanent cul- de-sac, but the Planning Commission can consider whether to recommend it be constructed to permanent standards. Commissioner Daninger stated there was discussion on the existing buildings and asked if that is being considered for approval for storage. Community Development Director Janish stated staffs intention is to review it and the draft resolution language indicates if a permitted use, it could go forward subject to architectural review and parking standards being met. If the use is not allowed in the RI district, the applicant would have to request a Code amendment. Commissioner Daninger expressed concern with considering tin buildings to remain in a new RI neighborhood. Community Development Director Janish stated the use would have to be permitted or the buildings would be removed. Commissioner Daninger referenced the draft resolution in the meeting packet. Chairperson Nemeth noted the legal descriptions are included in the resolution and if not accurate, Anoka County will not record it. Community Development Director Janish concurred and stated the resolution lists the legal descriptions for the parcels. Regular Andover Planning and Zoning Commission Meeting Minutes —November 13, 2018 Page 16 © Community Development Director Janish noted one resolution draft recommends for denial and the other recommends for approval. Commissioner Loehlein stated overall as we consider the PUD for this area, he found it was well laid out and makes good use of the land as it is. On the accessory structures, he finds the ground density map to be misleading because the house footprints are notably smaller than the homes in Timber River Estates, Stack Woods, and developments to the east and there is no indication of accessory structures. In the future, he would like to see something more accurate and indicative of what it will really look like. Commissioner Loehlein stated he thinks the density is appropriate but would like wider lots. Chairperson Nemeth stated on the address change, he feels bad if that comes to fruition but noted as an example that recently Highway 101 was changed by the State to Highway 62 and unfortunately, that happens from time to time. Chairperson Nemeth agreed the developer will want the back of the homes as far from Roanoke Street as possible. He stated he also agrees it should not be up to McDonald's or Luedtke's to develop the road to their driveways and if one of the lots is needed to bring the road to their driveways, then that is the case because the McDonalds and Luedtkes should not have to give up acreage. Chairperson Nemeth referenced the letter from the Anoka County Transportation Division dated May 7, 2018, letter saying they would be supportive of the development completing a traffic study, which he fully expects the developer will complete for this project. Commissioner Koehler pointed out a number of typographic errors in the resolution for approval. He stated while he supports the application, he would prefer to table this consideration until the resolution language is corrected. Community Development Director Janish requested Chairperson Nemeth call a recess to allow time for staff to correct the draft resolution language. RECESSAND RECONVENE Chairperson Nemeth recessed the meeting at 10:09 p.m. The meeting reconvened at 10:16 p.m. Community Development Director Janish reviewed the corrected wording of the draft resolution recommending approval. Motion by Koehler, seconded by VanderLaan, to recommend to the City Council approval of a Conditional Use Permit (CUP)/Planned Unit Development (PUD) Amendment for Preserve at Petersen Farms. Further discussion: X Regular Andover Planning and Zoning Commission Meeting Minutes—November 13, 2018 Page 17 © Commissioner Daninger confirmed that a preliminary plat with more detail will be presented to the Planning Commission at a future meeting. Community Development Director Janish stated that will occur. Commissioner Daninger urged the developer to get it right the first time and not keep coming back. Chairperson Nemeth concurred. Motion carried on a 6 -ayes, 1 -nay (Sims), 0 -absent vote. Community Development Director Janish stated this item will be before the City Council at the December 4, 2018, City Council meeting. OTHER BUSINESS. Community Development Director Janish provided an update on City Council actions related to items considered by the Planning Commission. Commissioner Koehler asked if there will be a December meeting. Community Development Director Janish stated there will not be a second Planning Commission meeting in November as the City Council will be meeting that night to review the Comprehensive Plan. But there may be a Planning Commission meeting in December. Chairperson Nemeth stated he and Commissioner Hudson noted the broadcast camera shakes during presentations and asked staff to resolve that issue. I/171IIl f29 FIN&W Motion by Koehler, seconded by Hudson, to adjourn the meeting at 10:28 p.m. Motion carried on a 7 -ayes, 0 -nays, 0 -absent vote. Respectfully Submitted, Carla Wirth, Recording Secretary TimeSaver Off Site Secretarial, Inc. H