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Special Park & Recreation Commission Meeting
October 22, 2015
6:00 P.M. Workshop Session — Conference Room A & B
1. Call to Order
2. Resident Forum
3. Approval of Minutes (10/1/15) — Regular Meeting
4. Review of Kelsey Round Lake Park Master Plan Concepts/WSB /15 -11
5. Update on Park Replacement List/Parks Maintenance Department
6. Review Existing, Future and Replacement Improvements Facilities /Park
Chart Format
7. Update on the City Comprehensive Plan/Community Development
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8. Discuss Proposed Park Playground Improvements /Draft Neighborhood
Letter and Survey /Forest Meadows Park
9. Discuss Proposed Park Playground Improvements/Draft Neighborhood
Letter and Survey /Pine Hills South Park
10. Consider Replacement of Picnic Shelter at Rose Park/14 -13, Cont.
11. Anoka County Sheriffs Department 3rd Quarterly Report
12. Park Dedication Improvement Fund 3rd Quarterly ReporUFinance
Department
13.Outstanding Items /Maintenance Update
14.
15. Chairs Report
16. Adjournment
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PARKAND RECREATION COMMISSIONMEETING —OCTOBER 22, 2015
MINUTES
The Special Workshop Meeting of the Andover Park and Recreation Commission was
called to order by Chair Stenzel on October 22, 2015, 6:00 p.m., at the Andover City
Hall, 1685 Crosstown Boulevard NW, Andover, Minnesota.
Commissioners Present: Chair Shane Stenzel, Vice Chair Jim Lindahl,
Commissioners Alisa Lewnau, Angela Marinello (arrived
at 6:54 p.m.), and Mark Miskowiec
Commissioners Absent: Commissioners Ted Butler, and Sarah Elstmm
Also Present: Assistant Public Works Director, Todd Haas
Jeff Feulner, WSB
Jason Amberg, WSB
RESIDENTFORUM
No one appeared to address the Commission
APPROVAL OF MINUTES — October 1, 2015 Minutes
Motion by Lewnau, seconded by Miskowiec, to approve the October 1, 2015 Park
Commission minutes as presented. Motion carried on a 4 -ayes, 0 -nays, 3- absent (Butler,
Elstrom and Marinello) vote.
RE VIE W KELSEY ROUND LAKE PARK MASTER PLAN CONCEPTS WSB /15 -11
Mr. Haas explained that WSB staff is present tonight to share the concepts for the Kelsey
Round Lake Park Master Plan.
Jeff Feulner, WSB, stated that they attempted to react to the program comments made by
the Commission and the public and provided an overview of the features included in
Concept 1. He stated that a different approach was taken in Concept 2, spreading
features out throughout the site, and highlighted the location of those features. He noted
that a third concept was created to address some of the comments made by the City
Council and highlighted the features found in Concept 3.
Commissioner Miskowim asked the distance between the southern portion of the trail to
the lake, specifically the edge of the highland to the lake.
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Mr. Feulner estimated that distance to be approximately 150 feet.
Mr. Amberg stated that there was discussion of having a narrower and natural base trail
that goes a bit further. He noted that there were comments made regarding the desire to
able to access the water.
Vice Chair Lindahl asked if there were costs associated with the proposed improvements
identified in the concepts at this time.
Mr. Haas stated that costs have not been identified and explained that the purpose was to
develop these for the open house to gauge likes and dislikes and noted that costs would
be determined following the open house meetings further along in the process.
Commissioner Lewnau stated that she likes the play equipment spread out throughout the
site and confirmed the consensus of the Commission. It was the consensus of the
Commission to eliminate the large playground area and spread out three smaller play
areas throughout the site.
Commissioner Miskowiec stated that he still likes the idea of having a dock.
Chair Stenzel agreed that it would be nice to have a dock but noted that item may have to
be placed lower on the priority list because of the cost. He noted that perhaps grant funds
could be obtained to assist in obtaining that feature. He mentioned the potential trail
layout and its reference to the wetland.
Mr. Haas stated that staff recommends staying away from the wetlands as much as
possible in order to avoid impacts to the wetlands.
- Mr. Feulner stated that the intention was to spread out the educational aspects throughout
the park, similar to what the Commission liked with the play equipment.
Commissioner Lewnau stated that she likes the trails proposed on the north of Concept 1.
Mr. Haas mentioned to the Commission that a floating dock system and pedestrian
bridges require a high level of maintenance that will be needed.
Chair Stenzel stated that it is odd that some of the trail has dead ends.
Vice Chair Lindahl agreed that it would be nice to have that trail connect to make a loop.
Mr. Haas stated that staff attempted to obtain an easement for extending the trail at the
east end of the park along Round Lake through private property in the past but the
• property owner was not interested.
Mr. Feulner received confirmation on the type of restroom the Commission would prefer
for the site.
Commissioner Miskowiec asked if woodchip trails would be possible or whether the
trails would need to be handicap accessible.
Mr. Haas stated that woodchip trails are considered handicap accessible.
Char Stenzel stated that he would recommend bituminous in order to open the door for
possible grant funds. Also having paved trails allows other types of users such as roller
blades, bikers and skate boarders, etc. to use all the trails within the park.
Informational; no action required.
UPDATE ON PA RRREPLACEMENT LIST /PARRS MAINTENANCE
DEPARTMENT
Mr. Haas stated that the park replacement/parks maintenance list has been updated
through 2020 and a copy of the document was included in the Commission packet for
review.
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Chair Stenzel asked if an easement would be possible along the north side.
Mr. Haas stated that staff can contact the property owners and the issue could be further
discussed with the City Council.
Chair Stenzel stated that it may not be something in the near future but it would be nice to
have a long -term plan for connection. He commented that WSB hit all of the items they
wanted to see.
Mr. Feulner reviewed some of the items preferred by the Commission including spread
out play equipment, access to a dock, and a looped trail.
Mr. Haas noted that the best view would be from the island to the south. He provided
additional information noting the distance from the lake in the northern location and
advised that the site has a heavy amount of cattails. He identified a possible centralized
location for a picnic shelter.
Chair Stenzel stated that the best fit for the shelter would most likely be closer to the
parking lot in the north to ensure that there are eyes on the shelter area.
Mr. Amberg reviewed the likes and dislikes of the Commission mentioned tonight.
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Mr. Haas asked if the changes could be made right away tomorrow so that he could
include the updated concept in the Council packets for the meeting the following week.
Mr. Feulner received confirmation on the type of restroom the Commission would prefer
for the site.
Commissioner Miskowiec asked if woodchip trails would be possible or whether the
trails would need to be handicap accessible.
Mr. Haas stated that woodchip trails are considered handicap accessible.
Char Stenzel stated that he would recommend bituminous in order to open the door for
possible grant funds. Also having paved trails allows other types of users such as roller
blades, bikers and skate boarders, etc. to use all the trails within the park.
Informational; no action required.
UPDATE ON PA RRREPLACEMENT LIST /PARRS MAINTENANCE
DEPARTMENT
Mr. Haas stated that the park replacement/parks maintenance list has been updated
through 2020 and a copy of the document was included in the Commission packet for
review.
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Chair Stenzel referenced the rinks at City Hall and asked why funds would be spent
planting trees in that location.
Mr. Haas noted that he can remove that item. He noted that this document would be
updated and reviewed on an annual basis.
Commissioner Miskowiec referenced the concrete edges on the volleyball court and
asked if that is necessary or whether the wood edging would be sufficient.
Mr. Haas stated that he would speak with parks staff to obtain additional information.
Informational; no action required.
REVIEW EXISTING, FUTURE AND REPLACEMENTIMPROVEMENTS
FACILITIES /PARK CHART FORMAT
Mr. Haas stated that staff is updating the chart for use in the updating of the
Comprehensive Plan, noting that the updating is not yet complete and this was included
in the Commission packet in order to review the formatting. He stated that the chart
would be updated on an annual basis.
• Commissioner Miskowiec referenced numbers shown in the old booklet for this
document.
Mr. Haas stated that those are outdated figures and provided additional explanation on the
funding for replacements. He stated that he can speak with the finance department, as it
was his understanding that the original cost could be funded through parks maintenance
while the increased cost would come from park dedication.
Chair Stenzel stated that the original cost should have been amortized over the life of the
item and that cost should be funded through parks maintenance as you are simply
updating/maintaining the item and not building a new structure.
Mr. Haas stated that if the Commission and the finance department disagree the Council
would be the ultimate decider.
Informational; no action required.
UPDATE ON THE CITY COMPREHENSIVE PLAN/ COMMUNITY
DEVELOPMENTDEPARTMENT
Mr. Haas briefly noted
• Informational; no action required.
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DISCUSS PROPOSED PARK PLAYGROUND IMPROVEMENTS /DRAFT
NEIGHBORHOOD LETTER AND SURVEY /FOREST MEADOWS PARK
Mr. Haas stated that he would like to get the survey out and posted on the website if the
Commission does not have any questions or comments.
Informational; no action required.
DISCUSS PROPOSED PARK PLAYGROUND IMPROVEMENTS /DRAFT
NEIGHBORHOOD LETTER AND SURVEY /PINE HILLS SOUTH PARK
Chair Stenzel asked if this would be similar to the previous item on the agenda.
Mr. Haas explained that the improvements occurring at this park are minimal
maintenance items and therefore the neighborhood does not need to be alerted and
surveyed. He also noted the proximity to the large park across the street.
Informational; no action required.
CONSIDER REPLACEMENT OF PICNIC SHELTER AT ROSE PARR/ 14 -13,
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Commissioner Miskowiec suggested that this item be tabled until the clarification on
funding is known.
Commissioner Lewnau agreed with Commissioner Miskowiec.
Chair Stenzel stated that the Commission asked the question on the Verizon Tower rental
fees received, which appears to be about $15,000. He asked why those funds were not
used for the updating.
Commissioner Miskowiec stated that the improvements for Rose Park are almost
complete. He asked and received confirmation that the decision has been made by the
City Council that the funds remain in the park. He commented that perhaps the funds
should be placed in the general fund that could fund improvements in other parks as well
W. Haas noted that if the funds were placed in the general fund the Commission would
have the chance that those funds would be lost.
Chair Stenzel stated that the funds could be placed in the park improvement fund. He
asked how much funds are in the account for that park at this time as the improvements
were under budget.
• Mr. Haas stated that approximately $50,000 was left over from the improvement project.
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Chair Stenzel stated that the $15,000 should be considered as already spent on the
improvements that occurred and the remaining funds from the improvement project
should be made available for future improvements.
Line item that the $15,435 has already been spent in that park and the remaining fund
balance can be relieved for construction at $65,435 for future projects
Motion by Stenzel, seconded by Lindahl, to recommend the City Council create an
additional line item showing that the $15,435 in cell phone revenue has already been
spent in that park and the remaining fund balance can be relieved for future projects.
Motion carried on a 4 -ayes, 0 -nays, 3- absent (Butler, Elstrom and Marinello) vote.
Motion by Stenzel, seconded by Miskowiec, to recommend the City Council take future
revenues from cell phone towers and place those funds into the park improvement fund.
Motion carried on a 4 -ayes, 0 -nays, 3- absent (Butler, Elstrom and Marinello) vote.
Motion by Lewnau, seconded by Miskowiec, to table the decision regarding replacement
of picnic shelter at Rose Park. Motion carried on a 4 -ayes, 0 -nays, 3- absent (Butler,
Elstrom and Marinello) vote.
Commissioner Marinello arrived.
ANOXA COUNTYSHERIFF'SDEPARTMENT 3RD QUARTERLYREPORT
Chair Stenzel referenced calls regarding park use.
Mr. Haas explained that there is a group that pays a fee for use of the lights on the field
for specific periods of time. He advised that the parks are open until 11:00 p.m. and are
open for public use during that tone.
Vice Chair Lindahl referenced vehicles parking in the ditch.
Commissioner Miskowiec asked why people are not using the north parking lot.
Chair Stenzel noted that part of the problem is that there are no lit connection trails from
that parking lot.
Informational; no action required.
PARBDEDICA TIONIMPR0VEMENT FUND 3RD Q UA R TERL Y REPOR TI
FINANCE DEPARTMENT.
Mr. Haas had nothing farther to add and asked if there were any questions or comments
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Informational; no action required.
OUTSTANDINGITEMS /MAINTENANCE UPDATE
Mr. Haas reviewed outstanding items.
CHAIR'S REPORT
None.
ADJOURNMENT
Motion by Lewnau, seconded by Lindahl, to adjourn the workshop meeting at 7:02 p.m.
Motion carried on a 5 -ayes, 0 -nays, 0- absent (Butler and Elstrom) vote.
Respectfully Submitted,
Amanda Staple, Recording Secretary
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