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HomeMy WebLinkAboutFebruary 12, 20130 AN66W 1685 CROSSTOWN BOULEVARD N.W.. ANDOVER, MINNESOTA 55304 • (763) 755 -5100 FAX (163) 755 -8923 • WWW.ANDOVERMN.GOV Andover Planning and Zoning Commission Meeting Agenda February 12, 2013 Andover City Hall Council Chambers 7.00 p.m. 1. Call to Order 2. Approval of Minutes — January 8, 2013 3. PUBLIC HEARING: Amend Conditional Use Permit/Special Use Permit (CUP 13 -03) — Outdoor Display, Storage and Sales —13725 Round Lake Boulevard NW — Andover Downtown Center. 4. PUBLIC HEARING: Sketch Plan Review — Andover Boulevard NW and © Prairie Road NW — Mark Smith. 5. Other Business 6. Adjournment Eld X, k C I T Y 0 F ^ PLANNING AND ZONING COMMISSION MEETING — FEBRUARY 12, 2013 The Regular Bi- Monthly Meeting of the Andover Planning and Zoning Commission was called to order by Chairperson Daninger on February 12, 2013, 7:00 p.m., at the Andover City Hall, 1685 Crosstown Boulevard NW, Andover, Minnesota. Commissioners present: Commissioners absent: Also present: APPROVAL OF MINUTES. January 8, 2013 Chairperson Daninger, Commissioners Tim Cleven, Valerie Holthus, Bert Koehler, Kyle Nemeth, Lynae Gudmundson, and Steve Peterson. None City Planner, Stephanie Hanson Associate Planner, Andrew Liska Others Chairperson Daninger indicated there was not a quorum so he thought they should table the minutes until they find out how to approve them. Commissioner Holthus stated on page three of the Workshop minutes from January 8`" the last paragraph should be changed to read "What is the definition of Limited Business and is it necessary to continue having the zoning Limited Business there is only 1.7 acres of limited business land in the City and they really can't develop anything more on that piece ". Ms. Hanson indicated the Commission should table the minutes until staff receives an answer. Motion by Holthus, seconded by Peterson, to table the January 8, 2013 minutes as amended. Motion carried on a 7 -ayes, 0 -nays, 0- present, 0- absent vote. PUBLIC HEARING: AMEND CONDITIONAL USE PERMIT /SPECIAL USE PERMIT (CUP 13 -03) — OUTDOOR DISPLAY, STORAGE AND SALES — 13 725 ROUND LAKE BOULEVARD NW — ANDOVER DOWNTOWN CENTER Regular Andover Planning and Zoning Commission Meeting Minutes — February 12, 2013 Page 2 © Associate Planner Liska noted the purpose of this item is to hold a public hearing and take input on an amended Conditional Use Permit/Special Use Permit for outdoor display, storage and sales. Mr. Liska reviewed the staff report with the Commission. Commissioner Gudmundson asked if the Conditional Use Permit was just for Frattalone's or the Downtown Center. Mr. Liska indicated it was for the Downtown Center. Commissioner Gudmundson wondered how that will work with other Conditional Use Permits other businesses would have. Mr. Liska stated a Special Use Permit was granted to the downtown center as a whole so all of the businesses are allowed to display, store and sell in the front area, with the amended CUP, they are including side and rear locations but that is with City approval. Commissioner Holthus indicated they needed to have fire standards in the front of the building in order to have storage there. Mr. Liska indicated that was correct and the fire code would remain in place throughout the area. Commissioner Peterson asked if in the front of the building, Frattalone's is allowed to store items outside. Mr. Liska indicated that was correct. © Commissioner Nemeth stated on the map in area number two, the storage will be encroaching in the driveway and he asked for clarification on this. He also wondered if 24 feet will allow two vehicles to pass each other in that area. Mr. Liska stated they are well over the minimum requirements for the driveway. Commissioner Holthus asked what the items would be that would be stored on the east end next to the driveway. Commissioner Kohler asked was there any stipulation or guidelines as to how high the items can be stacked. Mr. Liska indicated that was something that could be included in the resolution. Motion by Holthus, seconded by Gudmundson, to open the public hearing at 7:20 p.m. Motion carried on a 7 -ayes, 0 -nays, 0- absent vote. Mr. Michael Frattalone, 3527 North Lexington Avenue, Arden Hills, made a short presentation to the Commission. Commissioner Holthus asked what types of products would the business plan to sell on the east end. Mr. Frattalone indicated they would be palletized products. Commissioner Holthus asked what types of products will be sold in area #1. Mr. Frattalone indicated this would be excess stock and nothing would be sold in this area, just storage. U Regular Andover Planning and Zoning Commission Meeting Minutes — February 12, 2013 Page 3 © Commissioner Holthus wondered if there was any thought to having the pallets that people can purchase from in area #1 rather that in the other area. Mr. Frattalone indicated the location is far from the garden center and would be inconvenient and could be a hazard for the customers. Chairperson Daninger wondered what the anticipated height will be for the pallets in area #1. Mr. Frattalone indicated a large pallet of mulch might be six foot tall and do not tip over easily. The more they can stack pallets of dirt on top of each other the smaller the footprint and could make the area look better. He thought the maximum would be seven feet high and that would be stacking two pallets on each other. Commissioner Kohler asked if Mr. Frattalone thought if any of the products would be higher than the fence. Mr. Frattalone did not think it would and did not think they have ever peaked over the fence. Commissioner Cleven asked on the unwrapped product, is there a plan to replace the product back onto the pallet if a customer removed it from the pallet and did not purchase it. Mr. Frattalone stated they do cleanup the area periodically during the day. Commissioner Gudmundson asked if there was any thought to expanding the garden center fence to include the stacks outside of the fence. Mr. Frattalone indicated he has © not because the bags are very heavy and would not be easy to move from behind the fence to a vehicle. Commissioner Peterson asked if there has been any thought to moving the extra product to another area so there is less likelihood of theft. Mr. Frattalone indicated most of the product is stored within the fence and if it can be seen from the road there is less likelihood of theft or vandalism. Commissioner Peterson stated it looked like if there is anything on the front sidewalk could a wheelchair get by. He did not think it looked ADA accessible. Commissioner Koehler stated in area #1, how deep are the pallets going to go in the area. Mr. Frattalone indicated it would be one deep with potentially two pallets high. Commissioner Nemeth stated he would like to install some kind of height requirement in area #1 so it does not exceed the height of the fence. Chairperson Daninger asked if there was a timeline for these areas. Mr. Frattalone indicated in the winter they do not have any outdoor storage. He noted he could work with staff on this. Chairperson Daninger asked if there were any plans on enclosing their garbage area. Mr. © Frattalone indicated he would be willing to do that. Regular Andover Planning and Zoning Commission Meeting Minutes — February 12, 2013 Page 4 © Motion by Holthus, seconded by Nemeth, to close the public hearing at 7:38 p.m. Motion carried on a 7 -ayes, 0 -nays, 0- absent vote. Commissioner Nemeth stated he would like to see the height limit added to the resolution but he would also like to see something put into the resolution that items in the back of the fence are not stacked above the fence line, everything is below it. The Commission discussed the parking area and problems and obstacles that could occur with flow through traffic. Commissioner Cleven wondered if an emergency vehicle could make it through the area with the storage located in the parking area. Chairperson Daninger was not sure but he thought staff would make sure that emergency vehicles would have adequate room to maneuver through the area. Commissioner Gudmundson stated she had some concerns aesthetically, primarily the views for all the neighboring properties and she thought they needed to give some consideration for them and what it might do to their property values because she did not think allowing all the items to be stacked up outside will be a pleasing look for the area. She stated she would like Frattalone's to expand their fence along the side minimally to cover the stuff that goes up next to the garden center and maybe fence in the stuff in the © back also. She thought the idea of using restriping where the parking was on the side is also a great idea and would take care of her safety concerns. Commissioner Peterson thought Frattalone's could move the driveway so it goes straight south into the intersection and restripe part of the existing driveway as a loading area. He agreed with the fencing in of area #1. The Commission discussed the pros and cons of extending the fence in the garden center. Motion by Holthus, seconded by Koehler, to recommend to the City Council approval of Resolution No. _, with the stipulation that product on pallets is not to be above a safe height, which will be determined by staff and allowing good transportation flow in the driveway on the east side of the hardware store with the understanding that staff will review the amount of parking spaces required and possibly eliminate those west of the bank. Amendment two is to identify the dates when outdoor sales will occur and have those dates of outdoor sales be consistent with what they have previously indicated for other businesses in the City. Amendment three is to be certain that entrances comply with ADA regulations. Motion carried on a 6 -ayes, 1 -nays ( Gudmundson), 0- absent vote. City Planner Hanson stated that this item would be before the Council at the February 19, 2013 City Council meeting. H Regular Andover Planning and Zoning Commission Meeting Minutes — February 12, 2013 Page 5 © PUBLIC HEARING: SKETCH PLAN REVIEW — ANDOVER BOULEVARD NW AND PRAIRIE ROAD NW — MARK SMITH. City Planner Hanson noted the purpose of this item is to hold a public hearing and take input on a sketch plan review at Andover Boulevard NW and Prairie Road NW. City Planner Hanson reviewed the proposed sketch plan with the Commission. Commissioner Holthus asked if there is adequate space for 66 feet of right of way. Ms. Hanson indicated there was and the applicant has already addressed this in the new sketch plan. Commissioner Holthus asked if the trail easement could be extended further west to meet up with Prairie Road. Ms. Hanson thought that was the intent. Commissioner Holthus wondered if the developer could move the narrow access to the south two lots over and have it be on the lot line then changing the configuration of those two lots to one lot. That would give the developer more space to make the one lot on the corner larger. She indicated that would take away one of the lots but it would solve the problem and change the access point to the park to be better, in her opinion. © Commissioner Nemeth asked on the flood fringe that is outlined, is that preliminary. Ms. Hanson stated the developer will need to have the wetland delineation verified this spring and certify where the boundaries are. Commissioner Gudmundson asked why would there be some question about getting the sewer and water down to the southern portion. She wondered if it was topography. Ms. Hanson indicated that was correct. Commissioner Holthus asked if wetland mitigation would solve the sewer and water problem. Ms. Hanson indicated it will need further investigation. Commissioner Peterson asked if they had enough right away on Andover Boulevard and Prairie Road for future expansion. Ms. Hanson indicated additional right of way may need to be given for future expansion. Commissioner Peterson asked how the topography affects the buildable lots. Ms. Hanson indicated it might on the southern portion of the property because of the flood fringe. Commissioner Peterson asked if the proposed park will be an expansion of existing facilities already in the park there. Ms. Hanson stated it would be. Commissioner Holthus wondered if the County is giving any consideration at all to do some improvements along Andover Boulevard to possibility have a trail or widening it to Regular Andover Planning and Zoning Commission Meeting Minutes — February 12, 2013 Page 6 have a shoulder for a trail. Ms. Hanson stated she did not know but could get the Commission that information. Commissioner Gudmundson asked if west of the park if that was a pond. Mr. Smith, developer, indicated it was a small wetland. The Commission discussed with staff cul -de -sac length and variances. Motion by Holthus, seconded by Nemeth, to open the public hearing at 8:23 p.m. Motion carried on a 7 -ayes, 0 -nays, 0- absent vote. Mr. John Stevens, 14464 Flintwood Street, stated looking at the plat, his only concern is where the park is located. He wondered what is going to be the deterrence to slow traffic through the area with the park there. He also wondered how the City could deter residents from using the streets in the development as a cut through to avoid the traffic backup on Prairie Road and Andover Boulevard. He also wondered if the truck traffic will be funneled from Evergreen to the development and out. Mr. Jeff Johnson, 14315 Prairie Road, stated he has seven acres and he wondered if this area gets developed what will happen to his land. He indicated he did not want to be forgotten so in the future if he wants to develop he will be able to. © Chairperson Daninger thought Mr. Johnson should sit down with staff and discuss his development possibilities. Mr. Mark Smith, 2120 Otter Lake Drive, Lino Lakes, indicated he was available for comment. Chairperson Daninger asked whose idea was it to put the park where it is. Mr. Smith indicated when Hickory Meadows was developed, the Park Commission thought the park should go there, and he did not think that was the best place for it because of the location. Mr. Smith indicated he would move the park anywhere that the Planning Commission would want it. Commissioner Gudmundson thought the park would be better in the southern area of the development and to connect a trail to it. Chairperson Daninger thought this should be reviewed. Commissioner Gudmundson thought if the park were moved, they could reconfigure the central section and take care of the straight road access through and still get all the lots and make the area more scenic and preserve some trees and nature. Commissioner Gudmundson wondered if they could do some berming along Prairie and Andover Boulevard to avoid mismatched fences in the future. LIM] Regular Andover Planning and Zoning Commission Meeting Minutes — February 12, 2013 Page 7 © Motion by Holthus, seconded by Gudmundson, to close the public hearing at 8:45 p.m. Motion carried on a 7 -ayes, 0 -nays, 0- absent vote. Chairperson Daninger reviewed the discussion and recommendations made during the public hearing, including berming, trees, park and cul -de -sac. He indicated he was really concerned about the four way stop and that it will become a cheater road. He thought staff needed to review this further. He also noted that he did not want to see any request for lot variances because they are large lots. Commissioner Peterson thought there should be some preservation of wetlands if possible. Commissioner Nemeth concurred and made a suggestion to answer the issue with the park. He thought they could look at putting in some three way stops to slow down traffic. Commissioner Peterson stated none of the north/south roads line up and he thought if they could line up better they could install an all way or 4 way stop to discourage people cutting through the development. Commissioner Holthus would like to see the City consider widening Andover Boulevard to allow a trail to make it safer. © City Planner Hanson stated that this item would be before the Council at the March 5, 2013 City Council meeting. OTHER BUSINESS. City Planner Hanson updated the Planning Commission on related items. Commissioner Gudmundson asked if they have a Conditional Use Permit for the entire Shopping Center District, why did it ever come before the Commission for Time to Thrift to give them another one, would they not have been covered to put their stuff outside. Associate Planner Liska indicated he was not sure why that was. Chairperson Daninger thought it was a safety issue because it needed to be sprinkled in order to do it. Ms. Hanson indicated staff would take a look at it and get back to the Planning Commission on it. Commissioner Peterson stated Todd Haas had an open house for the new park proposed on 161St and Tulip and he wanted to commend staff on a nice job on the plan. ADJOURNMENT. © Motion by Holthus, seconded by Nemeth, to adjourn the meeting at 9:05 p.m. Motion carried on a 7 -ayes, 0 -nays, 0- absent vote. Regular Andover Planning and Zoning Commission Meeting Minutes — February 12, 2013 Page 8 u Respectfully Submitted, Sue Osbeck, Recording Secretary Timesaver Off Site Secretarial, Inc. r] L H